I have a feeling about nVidia's 8800's

[NoStateofMind]

I have a feeling that the now 6 month old DX10 8800's will be very poor performers for what they were made for. The game I'm thinking the most about is Crysis. I'm thinking even the Ultra version will struggle to give playable framerates. Of course this is just opinion not fact. So all the people that wanted a DX10 GPU to play a game like Crysis will in fact have to upgrade to get what they paid for the first time. If I'm wrong correct me, but I think nVidia "gotcha" with marketing. If you bought an 8800 for DX9 apps, its the best out there IMO.

 

[golem]

I think any first generation part (either Nvidia or ATI) won't be that great in DX10 games

 

[TanisHalfElven]

i don;t think so. nvidia spent a lot of money on this architecture. it unlikely this one will fail. nv30 failed but i think they proabably leaned there lesson.

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
i don;t think so. nvidia spent a lot of money on this architecture. it unlikely this one will fail. nv30 failed but i think they proabably leaned there lesson.

I don't think of it as a failure. Just that this game when released (what is it now beginning of next year?) will be one of the most demanding out there. It wouldn't be surprising if the most demanding game released doesn't run great on 1 year old hardware. Especially if it's the first generation part of a shift in DirectX.

 

[terentenet]

Originally posted by: golem

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
i don;t think so. nvidia spent a lot of money on this architecture. it unlikely this one will fail. nv30 failed but i think they proabably leaned there lesson.

I don't think of it as a failure. Just that this game when released (what is it now beginning of next year?) will be one of the most demanding out there. It wouldn't be surprising if the most demanding game released doesn't run great on 1 year old hardware. Especially if it's the first generation part of a shift in DirectX.

You hit the spot. That's right, I don't think that 8800GTX's DX10 implementation is no good, it will be the fact that it will be 1 year old by the time Crysis arrives.
By then we will have 8900GTX's, with more shaders, higher clocks, 2nd try at DX10. Maybe things in DX10 will be tweaked with that card. Improvement? Yes. Revolution? No.

ATI will have released the 2nd gen R600 by then too.

 

[NoStateofMind]

But wouldn't you guys that bought an 8800 feel cheated? Assuming that it has poor DirectX 10 performance, being touted as a DirectX 10 card and yet you can't play Crysis?

 

[aka1nas]

From what the Devs have said, nothing will be available at Crysis' launch that can run the game at high res with all of the effects cranked up. However, the 8800 series will be able to run at some middling level of detail pretty comfortably. What else would the devs have had to test the Dx10 implementation with except for the G80?

 

[sandorski]

possibly

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
But wouldn't you guys that bought an 8800 feel cheated? Assuming that it has poor DirectX 10 performance, being touted as a DirectX 10 card and yet you can't play Crysis?

Makes you wonder what the developers of Crysis are playing it on right now.

I bet it will run Crysis just fine, unless it's a buggy POS.

 

[Zstream]

The dev's also stated the 2900XT runs better then the GTX so all it to be seen.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
But wouldn't you guys that bought an 8800 feel cheated? Assuming that it has poor DirectX 10 performance, being touted as a DirectX 10 card and yet you can't play Crysis?

Why is the task of rending DX10 assumed to be so much different and more complicated then DX9? Of the few DX10 screenshots I've seen (at least the few that obviously weren't a photoshop job) I haven't seen anything that looks different then the best stuff rendered in DX9.

I see posts about DX10 all the time like its some sort of magic technology thats going to drastically change everything overnight...which to me doesn't line up with past versions and the fact that graphics advances will always continue to offer diminished returns of visual quality.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: Zstream
The dev's also stated the 2900XT runs better then the GTX so all it to be seen.

Again, I haven't seen any solid interview with them that stated this. Where's your proof? And I don't want a forum which says the devs said it.

And how come you don't have ATI viral forum marketers in your sig, I've run into quite a few of them over the years... :disgust:

 

[Nightmare225]

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Zstream
The dev's also stated the 2900XT runs better then the GTX so all it to be seen.

Again, I haven't seen any solid interview with them that stated this. Where's your proof? And I don't want a forum which says the devs said it.

And how come you don't have ATI viral forum marketers in your sig, I've run into quite a few of them over the years... :disgust:

:Q

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
But wouldn't you guys that bought an 8800 feel cheated? Assuming that it has poor DirectX 10 performance, being touted as a DirectX 10 card and yet you can't play Crysis?

It's sort of hard to say. It is a DirectX10 card, so I don't see anything wrong in Nvidia touting it as such, and I fully expect it be play Crysis well, just not at max details. But still very playable at maybe medium levels.

OTOH, I could see if I had paid so much money for it and it doesn't play the first directx10 game beautifully, I would be at least somewhat disappointed, that's just human nature. This is just guesswork, I don't own a 8800.

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Zstream
The dev's also stated the 2900XT runs better then the GTX so all it to be seen.

Again, I haven't seen any solid interview with them that stated this. Where's your proof? And I don't want a forum which says the devs said it.

And how come you don't have ATI viral forum marketers in your sig, I've run into quite a few of them over the years... :disgust:

I agree. I don't even think Nvidia works with AEG anymore. Talk about a biased sig.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Zstream
The dev's also stated the 2900XT runs better then the GTX so all it to be seen.

Again, I haven't seen any solid interview with them that stated this. Where's your proof? And I don't want a forum which says the devs said it.

And how come you don't have ATI viral forum marketers in your sig, I've run into quite a few of them over the years... :disgust:

Just to keep this from starting another flamewar, nearly everyone at B3D is trustworthy, you can bet on that

 

[terentenet]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
But wouldn't you guys that bought an 8800 feel cheated? Assuming that it has poor DirectX 10 performance, being touted as a DirectX 10 card and yet you can't play Crysis?

I for one wouldn't feel cheated. First stabs at new technology *may* be buggy. I also havent bought the 8800 to play Crysis. I bought it to play as many games as possible, including Crysis. When I will feel it's not up to the task any longer, I will upgrade.
Cheated.... from the launch of G80 and Crysis is one year PC Surgeon. Tech evolves every 6 months. We simply cannot expect the G80 to perform GREAT in all DX10 titles that will follow in the next year(s). Partially, that's what you're implying.

Many of the G80 adopters bought their cards first to play current games like no other card could at the moment, just secondly to be futureproofed with DX10 tech. We don't even have DX10. Libraries, yes. Games? No.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: Zstream
The dev's also stated the 2900XT runs better then the GTX so all it to be seen.

Again, I haven't seen any solid interview with them that stated this. Where's your proof? And I don't want a forum which says the devs said it.

And how come you don't have ATI viral forum marketers in your sig, I've run into quite a few of them over the years... :disgust:

Find me a ATI VM and I will place it in my sig, second the comment came from a B3D interview. Go look it up yourself at the site if you do not believe me.

 

[Ackmed]

I think it will struggle with DX10 games, just as I think the 2900's will as well. Every new version of DX makes cards struggle, if the games are using a fair amount of new features. heck, most new games with a decent engine make any card struggle. Look at Oblivion, Fear, Stalker, etc.

 

[aka1nas]

Generally, the first gen games will use features in a way or in a quantity that the hardware makers didn't expect. The 2nd gen hardware usually tries to address this by improving the needed functionality. Occasionallly, one of the hardware manufacturers guesses right on their first try and we end up with a "Design Win" that can actually play the games that it was designed for.

As most early directX 10 games will have a Dx 9 renderer as well, it's probably likely that they will play fine. Worst case, it will be a situation like COD2 where the Dx10 renderer is very slow and you can run in Dx9 mode until faster hardware comes around. If you don't migrate to Vista you will have to do so anyway.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

I didn't buy my g80 for Crysis or for it's DX10 capability. I got it for M2:TW, Oblivion, and Company of Heroes. It's makes a blazing fast DX9 card.

So if it doesn't play Crysis that well, I wont cry. I'll probably have traded it by then and got the next best thing.

 

[Jeff7181]

I've said this all along. People got all excited about the 8800 being a DX10 part when the only thing they should really be concerned with is their DX9 performance. I'm willing to bet the 8800 series won't have the balls to run real DX10 games. Just look at how the 9700 Pro performs in HL2... and imagine how it would perform in a game like F.E.A.R.

It's not rocket science... the 8800 will be "old technology" by the time you start seeing DX10 games.

 

[SPARTAN VI]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I've said this all along. People got all excited about the 8800 being a DX10 part when the only thing they should really be concerned with is their DX9 performance. I'm willing to bet the 8800 series won't have the balls to run real DX10 games. Just look at how the 9700 Pro performs in HL2... and imagine how it would perform in a game like F.E.A.R.

Hehe, run like crap.

But I don't understand why you chose HL2 and 9700Pro comparison? I'd compare a radeon 9x00 card and its performance in a DX8 game, and then its mundane performance in a DX9 game if I wanted to relate to how badly a g80 would do in DX10.

 

[CrystalBay]

Yeah I agree, when I bought my 9700P in 10/02 there were no DX9 games for 18 months or so .
Then came Farcry, (D3 is OGL) and that old tech card struggled at then popular resolutions...

But I still had a great DX8 gaming experience.