I have a lunch meeting with an attorney about piracy...

[BeeVo]

I have a lunch meeting with an attorney to discuss some issues related to piracy. Specifically how it would need to be combated on a college campus. What would you guys do to combat it? Would you at all? What ideas would be a compromise? Obviously there has to be an incentive to make money for all of these companies to take risks and make movies or pay money on bands that make it or don't. So widespread piracy isn't really an answer.

I just want to try and see all points to the issue before I discuss it today at lunch. What are your thoughts?

 

[Mr Incognito]

Just use the network in the dorms to deny access to P2P software. I think they did that at my dorms at CU last year because I could never get on Limewire. Though some could, who knows.

 

[nakedfrog]

The best way to combat it on campus would probably be to introduce a cheap, flexible all-you-can-consume online distribution model. Of course, the students will still pirate no matter WHAT you do.

 

[ScottyB]

Threaten to sue the colleges (instead of the students) for $1 per song downloaded using their network.

 

[Beev]

My school blocked torrents and when a user consumed too much bandwidth they cut them off. Seems effective enough to me.

 

[TeamZero]

Trying to combat piracy at a college campus is going to be impossible unless you set some pretty severe bandwidth restrictions.

Why is the university so concerned with what the students are downloading?

edit: or as mentioned above you could block common P2P ports...but you've probably thought of that

 

[BeeVo]

Originally posted by: TeamZero
Trying to combat piracy at a college campus is going to be impossible unless you set some pretty severe bandwidth restrictions.

Why is the university so concerned with what the students are downloading?

edit: or as mentioned above you could block common P2P ports...but you've probably thought of that

I don't believe the universities are that overly concernced with what students are downloading. I think that the industries see it as a hot bed for piracy and want to try to convince these schools either on moral issues or monetary issues to help them combat it.

 

[McGyver]

this is getting rediculous, they are poor college students...

 

[Vonkhan]

I wouldn't waste my time ...

 

[BeeVo]

Originally posted by: Vonkhan
I wouldn't waste my time ...

The attorney knows that trying to stop it altogether isn't going to happen. He is open to ideas to make suggestions on what to change to make it better system overall.

 

[iroast]

Blocking off known ports used by file sharing and bandwidth monitoring?

 

[Killerme33]

My school has a deal set up with a program called Ruckus. Free to use (for the students, I assume the university has to pay), and allows students to dload songs for free.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
The best way to combat it on campus would probably be to introduce a cheap, flexible all-you-can-consume online distribution model. Of course, the students will still pirate no matter WHAT you do.

Isn't that what Napster is?


Re: combatting - I think the best thing a college can do is block access to bittorrent and other P2P protocols. Most already do this. It has the added benefit of greatly reducing necessary network capacity. Yes, there are legitimate uses for P2P protocols, but if you're looking for legitimate stuff (linux distros is the one everyone seems to bring up) you can probably find it via FTP or HTTP as well.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: BeeVo

I don't believe the universities are that overly concernced with what students are downloading. I think that the industries see it as a hot bed for piracy and want to try to convince these schools either on moral issues or monetary issues to help them combat it.

If that is the case, then my advice is to skip your lunch with the attorney and drop the issue. Otherwise, you will just be wasting a lot of money which could be much better used elsewhere. As people have already stated in this thread, nothing you do will stop them from pirating so trying to teach them in this manner is dumb. Besides, this is a college. The student's tuition money should not be going towards programs whose purpose is to ultimately increase the profits of other large multi billion dollar businesses.

If bandwidth is an issue then just limit access to P2P. If you set any kind of bandwidth limits on the students then you are going to severely limit much more than pirated downloads which is not fair to them. Again, they do pay for it through tuition so it is their right to use it how they please.

 

[alkemyst]

Instead of going after the obvious students...they should focus their efforts on those doing true bootlegs (reproduction of case art and selling as original).

I don't pirate really anymore as with Sirius and Launch.com I can get the music I want. I am not a gamer which I would think is the #2 slot.

I buy the DVD's I'd like when they get discounted.

However, with music nothing can replace the live shows.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
Instead of going after the obvious students...they should focus their efforts on those doing true bootlegs (reproduction of case art and selling as original).

I don't pirate really anymore as with Sirius and Launch.com I can get the music I want. I am not a gamer which I would think is the #2 slot.

I buy the DVD's I'd like when they get discounted.

However, with music nothing can replace the live shows.

:thumbsup:

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: BeeVo
I have a lunch meeting with an attorney to discuss some issues related to piracy. Specifically how it would need to be combated on a college campus. What would you guys do to combat it? Would you at all? What ideas would be a compromise? Obviously there has to be an incentive to make money for all of these companies to take risks and make movies or pay money on bands that make it or don't. So widespread piracy isn't really an answer.

I just want to try and see all points to the issue before I discuss it today at lunch. What are your thoughts?

One product to rule it all.

http://www.packeteer.com/

 

[aldamon]

Pay the school to block the ports and bandwidth. Moral issues don't pay the bills.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: aldamon
Pay the school to block the ports and bandwidth. Moral issues don't pay the bills.

No, the students do. Don't limit them. They paid for their bandwidth.

 

[Xavier434]

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double post

 

[IceBergSLiM]

you'd have better luck stopping sex on campus.

 

[JackBurton]

First thing I would propose, get rid of logging on campus servers. Secondly, please provide the companies that work for the RIAA and MPAA, more importantly, their IP addresses. Campus IT will need to add that IP address list to their firewa...I mean servers, so they can alert those agencies about internal copyright violations. Don't worry if you haven't heard back in a few years, it takes time to gather this information. That should do it.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: BeeVo
I have a lunch meeting with an attorney to discuss some issues related to piracy. Specifically how it would need to be combated on a college campus. What would you guys do to combat it? Would you at all? What ideas would be a compromise? Obviously there has to be an incentive to make money for all of these companies to take risks and make movies or pay money on bands that make it or don't. So widespread piracy isn't really an answer.

I just want to try and see all points to the issue before I discuss it today at lunch. What are your thoughts?

One product to rule it all.

http://www.packeteer.com/

Whoever came up with this really hit the nail on the head.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: BeeVo
I have a lunch meeting with an attorney to discuss some issues related to piracy. Specifically how it would need to be combated on a college campus. What would you guys do to combat it?

I would advocate a strong naval presence along with a ban on eye patches and rum.

Aaaaaarrrrrrrggghhhhh!! :|

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: BeeVo
I have a lunch meeting with an attorney to discuss some issues related to piracy. Specifically how it would need to be combated on a college campus. What would you guys do to combat it? Would you at all? What ideas would be a compromise? Obviously there has to be an incentive to make money for all of these companies to take risks and make movies or pay money on bands that make it or don't. So widespread piracy isn't really an answer.

I just want to try and see all points to the issue before I discuss it today at lunch. What are your thoughts?

One product to rule it all.

http://www.packeteer.com/

Whoever came up with this really hit the nail on the head.

I use them extensively. They are wonderful devices. They recognize the traffic no matter what port it is running on so it can truly act as an application layer firewall as well. normally it's best to just deny all the P2P traffic.