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mordrid52

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Originally posted by: Vich
Great point spacehead, i hope once SETI is over more people will switch to medical DC projects like F@H, UD-Cancer etc. However, what i also was curious about is that stat & team rankings seem like an aweful waste of time sometimes (like the Prime95 and RC45 projects). Because even though its fun to compete and race it isnt for a realworld positive goal like discovering new antiobiotics or finding out how to cure a certain disease. But hey everyone has there own agenda and defentitions of "waste of time". And im pretty sure alot of people believe what i put my effort into is a waste of time. But hey thats what makes starting threads like this fun, right? :beer:

I feel obligated to chime in and defend the honor of GIMPS/Prime95. Finding a new mersenne prime may not change the world, but they do have some practical applications in encryption.

The RCxx projects, on the other hand, have no practical application. RC64 spent almost 5 years and an insane amount of processing power and all that they proved is that low-grade 64 bit encryption is very secure.
 

Zbox

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The RCxx projects, on the other hand, have no practical application. RC64 spent almost 5 years and an insane amount of processing power and all that they proved is that low-grade 64 bit encryption is very secure.

lol amen take anyone that knows anything about dividing and they could tell you that xxx bit encryption is secure or insecure
 

ericlp

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Let's not forget that SETI is the oldest DC program that started it all....

It's been going on for years. There is LIFE out there. Hopefully we will find it. I think too many of you are getting CAUGHT up in the MORE MORE MORE BS... Yeah racing is fun... But staying up till 3AM and being to focused on this is not healthy.

Who really cares on how many WU's you have completed. I could give a rats ass on who here has passed me or who is #1. It's personal achievement and the act that just the average joe, yes you and I can actually contribute to SCIENCE.

I like the story of the prime # that was found recently by someone that was building up a 486! Hopefully that will happen with SETI, I doubt it since a 486 would take 20 days to complete a WU. Anyway. Point is ... It's the Little people together ... One for all, all for ONE that will make the difference. If you have a PIII or P4 running 5-6 WU's a day. That really should be good enough... You don't need to build a rack and spend 5-10K on machines just to get 99.9% more WU's done then anyone else.

Hey! There is more to life then just SETI, Stop and smell the roses, get out of bed and enjoy life right here on this planet!

Personally? I was kind of pushing to help the team out, but now I am still pushing to reach a personal goal of 10K, once that is over I am slowing way down. I thought it would be neat to print it out and maybe hang it up on the wall. And just maybe one day if we did find something then I could say I was part of it???

Sigh... Sound pretty pathetic.... Whatever works for you I guess. For me no matter what your doing it?s all in the name for SCIENCE!
 

Vich

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Originally posted by: ericlp
Let's not forget that SETI is the oldest DC program that started it all....

It's been going on for years. There is LIFE out there. Hopefully we will find it. I think too many of you are getting CAUGHT up in the MORE MORE MORE BS... Yeah racing is fun... But staying up till 3AM and being to focused on this is not healthy.

Who really cares on how many WU's you have completed. I could give a rats ass on who here has passed me or who is #1. It's personal achievement and the act that just the average joe, yes you and I can actually contribute to SCIENCE.

I like the story of the prime # that was found recently by someone that was building up a 486! Hopefully that will happen with SETI, I doubt it since a 486 would take 20 days to complete a WU. Anyway. Point is ... It's the Little people together ... One for all, all for ONE that will make the difference. If you have a PIII or P4 running 5-6 WU's a day. That really should be good enough... You don't need to build a rack and spend 5-10K on machines just to get 99.9% more WU's done then anyone else.

Hey! There is more to life then just SETI, Stop and smell the roses, get out of bed and enjoy life right here on this planet!

Personally? I was kind of pushing to help the team out, but now I am still pushing to reach a personal goal of 10K, once that is over I am slowing way down. I thought it would be neat to print it out and maybe hang it up on the wall. And just maybe one day if we did find something then I could say I was part of it???

Sigh... Sound pretty pathetic.... Whatever works for you I guess. For me no matter what your doing it?s all in the name for SCIENCE!

Thats awesome that the prime # was found by someone with a 486 and not someone running a huge farm of like 20 p4's! haha really interesting!





As for some of the humanitarian projects, I won't run UD because it is a for profit project. If that has changed, please correct me, but the last I saw they were going to make money off of the results.

Didnt know that Crazee can you or someone else elaborate on this?

Thanks
-Rich
 

ericlp

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Folding at Home FAQ:

Unlike other distributed computing projects, Folding@home is run by an academic institution (specifically the Pande Group, at Stanford University's Chemistry Department), which is a nonprofit institution dedicated to science research and education. We will not sell the data or make any money off of it.

Moreover, we will make the data available for others to use. In particular, the results from Folding@home will be made available on several levels. Most importantly, analysis of the simulations will be submitted to scientific journals for publication, and these journal articles will be posted on the web page after publication. Next, after publication of these scientific articles which analyze the data, the raw data of the folding runs will be available for everyone, including other researchers, here on this web site.

Hmmm, dunno but I thought that they were going to try to copyright the WU that were "discoverd" maybe they changed their tune.... BUT I was sure that when I first read the FAQ they were going to try to market this... OH well, hope that clears up anything? It reads pretty good to me!

 

Vich

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Thats for F@H...

Ok i did some research on the grid.org website and i came up with this.

At a certain point, virtual molecules must give way to the real thing. Using the newly identified pharmacophore as a new map, a research lab then must synthesize and test molecules in a lab environment to analyze non-virtual reactions.In United Devices Public Good Projects, rights to the research results remain with non-profit or government organizations that are dedicated to disease-fighting research.

And more from the cancer FAQ:
Are the results going to be made public?
Yes. Prof. Graham Richards' research group in the Chemistry Department of Oxford, the project coordinators, will publish the results. This group originally designed the project and is currently orchestrating the study. Scientific interpretation of the results from this study will take some time. Results and scientific findings will be published in the usual manner through a peer-reviewed process.

Are you going to sell the results of this project to large pharmaceutical companies?
No. The results of this study are the intellectual property of the University of Oxford and the National Foundation for Cancer Research, who will make the scientific findings of this project available to the greater scientific community.



So UD-Cancer is non-profit?!?!

Link to where i got that quote from
 

CyGoR

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Yes, it's indeed and luckely a non-profit project. Otherwise I wasn't running it also
I'm now feeling ashamed that I ever participated in the RC project..

Because I noticed lot's of Seti members joining the discussion, can some of you say what kind of projects
you will run after Seti1 is done? (if not already said..)
 

Pokey

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Vich,

Your original question did make me think (ouch?ouch?..)???but just for a minute????.?..

The older we get the more pragmatic we get for the most part, and a lot of our outlook depends on our own life experiences. (I have my health problems as do my relatives and friends). I would say I get at least a request a day, if not more, to contribute time or money to something or other. Most are worthy causes, some are scams. But my point is we can?t support all causes, worthy or not. We all have to make choices, whether you are a teenager with 1.98 in your pocket, or Bill Gates with 1.98 gazillion. Personally I have my pet projects related to diabetes, heart, and a few others. I run Seti also because I can, and because I like space exploration and scientific stuff. But those are my choices and each of us has our own priorities. So my vote is to mix it up and try to do some good :heart: AND have some fun.

Once Seti has concluded and I find myself looking around for something to do, I have looked at Genome@Home, Folding@Home, and a couple of others, and the more I look, the more projects I seem to find, but I have not settled on one yet. I may even stay with Boinc???.. (Does anyone besides me say Boink?)

So there ????Life is like a box of chocolates????" Just pick one, if you don't like it, try another.............
 

Vich

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Originally posted by: CyGoR
Yes, it's indeed and luckely a non-profit project. Otherwise I wasn't running it also
I'm now feeling ashamed that I ever participated in the RC project..

Because I noticed lot's of Seti members joining the discussion, can some of you say what kind of projects
you will run after Seti1 is done? (if not already said..)

So what was all the hoo-rah about UD-Cancer being for-profit?

-Rich
 

n0cmonkey

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A lot of projects only have Windows clients. I stick with ecc2 because I know how to keep it working, and it is one of the ignored projects.
 

Freewolf

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Well Myself I'm already running Dpad , d2ol, and TSC as well as seti and another RA member (Todd ) Is doing Folding@home
 

Night201

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Originally posted by: Vich
Well while laying down in bed last night and feeling pretty crappy since ive been sick for a while i began to think about all the tons of people runnig various DC projects. I recently started running UD cancer on my girlfriends machine, while i am running SETI on my machine. Many people close to me have suffered the repreoccusions of cancer, and i began to ask myself, why did I install something like SETI which is alot of fun :beer: but really isnt for a real positive goal anymore. At first it was but not its really just become a WU race for no other reason. Alot of people run medically based programs such as F@H , however both UD-Cancer and F@H pale in comparison to the number of people that run SETI and some of the other programs. No i do not want to start a flame war but i would just like to hear peoples views on why they run one project over another. Because if we had as many people running UD-Cancer or F@H as we do SETI i really think we can get alot of work done for a goal that could help the entire world maybe not in our liftime but possibly in someone elses. So that was just my question that i thought of last night. Thanks i look forward to reading some very good replies! -Rich

I don't run Seti for that reason.
 

Xemus

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Originally posted by: Twioz
I do DPAD for the Chicks and the Glory.

Amen to that!! Actually, my girlfriend thinks it's all pointless. She told my daughter yesterday "Daddy thinks he's being productive and searching for cancer and aliens, but he's actually just trying to compare his computers' speeds to other people's computers".
Lies, I tell you, lies. I'm in this for the greater good.

Thanks for the tips on the command line version of d2ol. I found that info in the readme.txt file too.
Anyone know if it's faster to do the command line than the gui with animations disabled?



 

dmcowen674

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Good post Vich

There is still more maturation and mainstream general public acceptance and use needed as well as DC Technology to be included into the OS as a choice for the machines to work on any given project when not being used by us humans. The BOINC platform is a step in that direction where multiple projects can share the same technology.
 

Thump553

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I ran SETI for one+ years and then started getting the same thoughts Vich described. I hunted around for something with more immediate practical benefit, and settled on Folding@Home. I joined TeamAnandtech as an afterthought and I could care less what my stats are. F@H is just as easy to set up as SETI in my experience.

Simple puzzle solving and WU crunching are a horrible waste of computer power and resources when there is valuable DC work that goes begging.
 
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