I Have No Respect for People in the Army

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Before I begin, let me say that the title can be a tiny bit misleading. I wanted to capture my general attitude on the subject as well as attention to the post. It's not that I have zero respect for people in the armed forces and that I hate them, but that I do not think they deserve the respect that people generally give them. I always hear - on the radio, television, and the general public, how we should be super-respectful and honorary of soldiers. It makes my stomach crawl when I hear soldiers being commemorated as if they joined the army to protect the nation from harm and bring peace to the world. Why do I feel this way? See below.

If you joined the army, you are most likely not the type of person who thinks with their head but with fists. You probably played Football in high-school, or some other type of violent sport, and have anger management problems. You chose not to study and as a result could not afford/had the desire to enter a college.

Most soldiers in the army joined because they are allowed to behave violently, legally, whilst getting payed. If they would have stayed in the the working class society, they would most likely end up unsuccessful.

Most, not all, army personnel do not fight because they want to help the nation. They fight because they love to fight. They are confrontational and desire action. It's like a license to kill.

That's why when I hear the respect they get for fighting, I cringe. These people risk their lives not for you, not for me, not for the country or world peace, but for themselves. They are violent and action-oriented people.

A simple analogy I just thought of is a Nascar driver. Their job is potentially fatal. They know what they are getting themselves into. But when they die you don't see the public appreciating their efforts. It's something they chose to do. Same with soldiers, they knew the deal, they did not fit well into society, and thus chose to fight.

I imagine many of you think I'm unappreciative and cruel for posting this. I actually LOVE the fact that people like this exist, I appreciate that they do what they do, even while I realize they do it more for themselves than for me, but I don't believe they should be praised the way they are today. Soldiers are not saints, they are just violent men who do what they love to do.

Obviously not every single man in the army is violent. Some are probably even educated, intelligent, college-material folks. I'm sure some join just to fight for what they believe in and to rid the world of injustice. But what I'm getting is that the majority, maybe 85% or so, do it because they have a lust to fight, to kill.

Oh, and this does not apply to people who were drafted or forced unwillingly to join the ranks. It applies only to those hard-knocks who joined on their own accord and that are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan...the middle east.

P.S.

No, I was never bullied by soldiers/grunts. No, my mother was not raped by an ex-marine. I have not had any negative experiences with these men. In fact, I have acquiescence's who want are in the army who I love to share a beer with. But they don't deserve the appreciation they get, that's all I think.

What to you guys think? Constructively.
 
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dfuze

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I think you like to paint with quite the broad brush but missed the canvas.

My sister is in there and matches none of your criterea.

The one part you might be able to skate on is the fact that they do enlist and are not forced to join, however many do for the opportunity for education and other opportunities it gives. However I assure you none of them are looking to die.
 

z1ggy

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I constructively think you are a douche and that a group of angry army people beat you down.

Edit: And I bet majority of people that enlist do so b/c they lack motivation and not going anywhere in life at that time. The armed forces help them accomplish such things and make them a valuable part of our society.
 
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Doctors do it because they like money, prestige, and the pussy it brings.

Bankers do it for the money and don't care who they screw over.

Plumbers do it because they like being paid and overbilling people, they don't care how bad it is to have shit all over your floor.

Etc., etc., etc...
 

coxmaster

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How many men do you know in the armed forces that have killed someone?

A large, LARGE, majority of the guys I know never even shot at anyone/anything while in the sandbox..
 

GrumpyMan

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It is because of those mean army types that you are allowed to post in here.
 

fatpat268

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I live in a predominantly military town, and they don't get too much recognition... partially because they comprise 30-40% (i'm guessing) of the population. So I agree with in some ways, but...

Most, not all, army personnel do not fight because they want to help the nation. They fight because they love to fight. They are confrontational and desire action. It's like a license to kill.

Ermm, you must not know many military people. I'll leave it at that.

But at any rate, what does it matter what their motivations are? They're getting the job done just as well as anyone else, so who cares?
 

DaveSimmons

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You hate puppies and kittens too, don't you. The fluffyiness just gets on your nerves, and why all the meowing??!


Edit: I'll agree with your trolling very very slightly that enlisting in the armed forces doesn't automatically make you a "hero," but I disagree completely that they don't deserve respect for their service.
 
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I think you like to paint with quite the broad brush but missed the canvas.

My sister is in there and matches none of your criterea.

The one part you might be able to skate on is the fact that they do enlist and are not forced to join, however many do for the opportunity for education and other opportunities it gives. However I assure you none of them are looking to die.

I'm sure you are right. That's why I said the majority are there to fight, by no means all.

Also, I never said they are looking to die. Just fight.

I constructively think you are a douche and that a group of angry army people beat you down.

Intelligent, honorary, quote-worthy material you just posted. This is how good forum reputations are built.

Doctors do it because they like money, prestige, and the pussy it brings.

Bankers do it for the money and don't care who they screw over.

Plumbers do it because they like being paid and overbilling people, they don't care how bad it is to have shit all over your floor.

Etc., etc., etc...

You hit the nail on the head. But, doctors, lawyers, bankers, and plumbers do not receive the media outcry that soldiers get.
 
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Regardless of their intentions, they are doing a job that most people are either unable or unwilling to do. I don't give a shit why they joined the military. Why should I?

And for the record, if you really wanted a legitimate discussion, I'd avoid the generalizations and bogus statistics like 85% of the military are just blood-lusting killing machines.
 

Zeze

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My friend went to Navy after college.

He could not stand it. You know when you feel like everyone around you are fucking meathead simpleton idiots? That's what he felt, including his Sargent and all the vast lower-rank general populus grunts of the force.
 

zinfamous

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very broad brush there, OP, but in some individual cases, I think you are correct.

You could look at it this way--would you rather them have an outlet in the military, perhaps gain some structure and focus in their lives, making them a functioning member of society when they are done, or choose the streets as their outlet?
 

Skel

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I respect the uniform, not the person inside it. Him/her I don't know, they're prob a jackass I couldn't stand, but that uniform deserves my respect.
 

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My friend went to Navy after college.

He could not stand it. You know when you feel like everyone around you are fucking meathead simpleton idiots? That's what he felt, including his Sargent and all the vast lower-rank general populus grunts of the force.

That's the generalization I am trying to pass. These people are not exactly smart...
 

Sinsear

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Nice troll for 5th post. I did 10 years, enlisted. Amazingly I didn't play football and i went to college for four years prior. But then again none of that matters because this is purely a troll thread.
 

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This really isn't meant to be a troll thread. These are just my thoughts, which may or may not be incorrect.

And please get this straight. I APPRECIATE the enlisted men, but I do not feel they should be praised the way they are. I am grateful that they joined the ranks rather than be an unsuccessful citizen.
 

z1ggy

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Also, I never said they are looking to die. Just fight.



Intelligent, honorary, quote-worthy material you just posted. This is how good forum reputations are built.

Uhm you just started a thread titled "Why I have no respect for people in the Army". What if my brother just died in Iraq from a suicide bomb? You ever think about that. These people DIE everyday so you can keep trolling this forum.
 

gothamhunter

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Thread title is intentionally misleading so that you get responses, or you try and save yourself from Internet rape per your OP.

This thread should just be closed.
 
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