I have this feeling that since users can't buy Fury/X, they're buying 390/X

[soccerballtux]

am I the only one?

 

[n0x1ous]

they are probably buying 980ti if they were willing to spend $650 to begin with

 

[tential]

Yup you are.
Users buying a 390x over fury though are probably seeing the 390x as a far better value and 8g vram doesn't hurt either. Consumers love vram

 

[RaulF]

they are probably buying 980ti if they were willing to spend $650 to begin with

I am perfect example of that.

 

[Elixer]

am I the only one?

AMD is making cards as fast as they can, and they are being gobbled up as fast as they are on the shelves. Nobody has any solid numbers outside of AMD.

I guess your question only makes sense if they need the card *now*, otherwise, most that want a Fury will wait for the Fury, and out of those, yeah, some will jump to something else if the need is immediate.

 

[Red Hawk]

The 390X seems like a better value, to me. It's Hawaii refined, with an extra 4 GB of VRAM.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I held off upgrading until the Fury X was released. After seeing the performance, I went straight to 980Ti.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yup you are.
Users buying a 390x over fury though are probably seeing the 390x as a far better value and 8g vram doesn't hurt either. Consumers love vram

Yes, the 8gb of vram is a factor, imo.

Despite reality, people see that as better.

 

[raghu78]

Actually the R9 390 is worth every penny at USD 330. At the same clocks its 3-5% slower than R9 390X. imo if somebody wants a GPU for good 1440p performance. There are 2 good options. R9 390 and GTX 980 Ti. GTX 980 cannot fundamentally change the experience at 1440p over a R9 390. By changing the experience I mean when the min fps of the higher card is more than the max fps of the lower card. This allows vastly better performance at same settings or the ability to increase graphical settings which show significant improvement in the image quality and gaming experience. A custom 980 is 8-10% faster than ref 980 and 20% faster than R9 390 and costs USD 160- USD 190 (50-60%) more.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/R9_390_PCS_Plus/30.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_980_Gaming/25.html

So for every 1% of extra perf you spend $8-$9. On the contrary a custom GTX 980 Ti is 13-15% faster than ref GTX 980 Ti and around 56-58% faster than R9 390 for USD 340 - USD 350 more. Every extra 1% of perf costs just $6.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_980_Ti_STRIX_Gaming/30.html

Custom 980 Ti is almost 35-40% faster than custom GTX 980 but costs only 30% more. Amazing. Nvidia's provides more bang for buck with 980 Ti than 980 and thats the reason for the custom 980 Ti being extremely popular among reviewers and consumers. :thumbsup:

 

[soccerballtux]

AMD is making cards as fast as they can, and they are being gobbled up as fast as they are on the shelves. Nobody has any solid numbers outside of AMD.

I guess your question only makes sense if they need the card *now*, otherwise, most that want a Fury will wait for the Fury, and out of those, yeah, some will jump to something else if the need is immediate.

there are no reviews for these cards, therefore few purchases

 

[sam_816]

I bought 980ti as I could not find furyx & pump noise concerns.

But I think ppl r also going with r9 390(x) because in some developing countries AMD's pricing is better than NVIDIA's.

 

[railven]

At the most common resolutions, the Fury's are absolutely terrible. It's like AMD designed their cards for tomorrow expecting to sell them today.

Just open up your favorite review site and you'll see $350 390/970s and $430 390X/980s within spitting distance of the $550 Fury.

There is no reason to buy a Fury at that price, not with the current line up of games. If you are buying it for games of tomorrow, by then you'll have probably better options (or at least prices).

If I had to buy an AMD card for 1080p be it would be hands down a 390, give it a little OC and call it a day.

 

[tential]

At the most common resolutions, the Fury's are absolutely terrible. It's like AMD designed their cards for tomorrow expecting to sell them today.

Just open up your favorite review site and you'll see $350 390/970s and $430 390X/980s within spitting distance of the $550 Fury.

There is no reason to buy a Fury at that price, not with the current line up of games. If you are buying it for games of tomorrow, by then you'll have probably better options (or at least prices).

If I had to buy an AMD card for 1080p be it would be hands down a 390, give it a little OC and call it a day.

Fury isn't doing that great at 4K either really. GTX 980Ti still reigns supreme at 4K over the Fury X. GTX 980 with a good OC vs Fury with a good OC? At this point, you're not really at 4K resolution anymore, so GTX 980 is going to hold the advantage.

Fury only makes sense when it's crossfire Fury X. And I'm skeptical about that too.

 

[AtenRa]

Fury isn't doing that great at 4K either really. GTX 980Ti still reigns supreme at 4K over the Fury X. GTX 980 with a good OC vs Fury with a good OC? At this point, you're not really at 4K resolution anymore, so GTX 980 is going to hold the advantage.

Fury only makes sense when it's crossfire Fury X. And I'm skeptical about that too.

From your own graph above,

Fury at $550 is ~15% faster than $500 GTX980

Fury X at $650 is equal to $650 GTX980ti

 

[tential]

Except the GTX 980 Ti is an OC monster and we know full well the real models people are buying, non reference models, wreck this card. You're welcome to go look at the reviews of ANY AIB GTX 980 Ti model and compare it to the Fury X.

GTX 980 isn't $500, it's lower than $500 normally now at retailers. To say it's still $500, then we might as well quote the highest priced Fury as the price of the Fury right now.

Not only is it around $75 cheaper than the Fury, we know it OCs VERY VERY well as that's what Maxwell does. So factor in an OC (Hey remember when we said not to compare reference model r9 290x's to the gtx 980? Now that's coming back to bite ya), on AIB models of the GTX 980 people will actually be getting and it's not so pretty now.

Oh, that's 15% faster for 15% more performance on the Fury(Using that ~$480 price), before you factor in OCing, perf/watt, AIB models of GTX 980 performance, etc.

Sorry, Fury lineup just doesn't hold up well vs the GTX Maxwell lineup. I expect price slashes when there is reliable stock. Expect to see the Fury at around $480-500 and the Fury X may hold it's price longer only due to having WC and therefore retaining value against the GTX 980Ti. But still, the GTX 980Ti with that OC ability and AIB models, the Fury lineup is in trouble as it is launching.

Edit: It's even threatened by it's own 390x with 8GB of VRAM swaying customers to not purchase higher end models.

Edit2: Phantom PAin is included with GTX 980 purchases.... I didn't even factor that in. Fury I get nothing! Yay! I championed the AMD models when they had amazing value props. But other than the R9 390 (wow R9 290 just keeps rolling along), there isn't an AMD card that is a compelling buy.

 

[Noctifer616]

Not only is it around $75 cheaper than the Fury

Not true for the entire world. In my country a Fury X is cheaper than a 980ti.

Cheapest 980ti is around 15$ more expensive than the cheapest Fury X.

 

[railven]

<snip>

Fury isn't doing that great at 4K either really. GTX 980Ti still reigns supreme at 4K over the Fury X. GTX 980 with a good OC vs Fury with a good OC? At this point, you're not really at 4K resolution anymore, so GTX 980 is going to hold the advantage.

Fury only makes sense when it's crossfire Fury X. And I'm skeptical about that too.

Yeah, I didn't look at 4K because that is still mGPU territory for most users (ie those sporting 4K aren't going to be the "I'll play at Medium settings" to maintain 60 FPS).

I wonder if future drivers will give Fury/Fury X a much needed boost in those lower resolutions. As it is now, the price doesn't justify it not with 980/390Xs right there in it's face.

Not true for the entire world. In my country a Fury X is cheaper than a 980ti.

Cheapest 980ti is around 15$ more expensive than the cheapest Fury X.

He's referring the 980, not the 980 Ti, being $75 cheaper. However, if in your neck of the woods the 980 is $15 more than the Fury X - this just tells me Nvidia dominates that location and AMD shouldn't even bother.

 

[flopper]

Actually the R9 390 is worth every penny at USD 330.

Except the GTX 980 Ti is an OC monster

Its really sad that you need to got twice the money for a upgrade from the 390.
and still the 980ti wont give you much benefit for the money either.
its already eol as next years die shrink happens.
AMD just made a stop gap for next years line up and the 390 offers everything a gamer wants today. The fury sells out as fast its in stock as a lot of people actually like to have AMD cards as they wont buy cards that says 4gb when it really just is 3.5gb.

seen many 980ti that dont oc that well and throttle.
another lie. why buy old tech?

Fury x with new tech will last longer and are the better buy at high end.
and lets not forget its a OCers dream also.

The 390 is by far the best gamers card today.

 

[happy medium]

I think its sad that people think a overclocked aftermarket 290 is worth 330$ with just a name change to a 390.

 

[Silverforce11]

I think its sad that people think a overclocked aftermarket 290 is worth 330$ with just a name change to a 390.

If you're sad over the 390s selling well or people think a 8GB SKU with that performance for $330 is a good deal..

You're probably depressed about the $330 970 sold as a 4GB GPU for all that time?

 

[PPB]

3.5gb. Yeah 390 is a good deal, sadly they come at ridiculous prices in my country, 970 still being the better deal here.

 

[railven]

Its really sad that you need to got twice the money for a upgrade from the 390.
and still the 980ti wont give you much benefit for the money either.
its already eol as next years die shrink happens.
AMD just made a stop gap for next years line up and the 390 offers everything a gamer wants today. The fury sells out as fast its in stock as a lot of people actually like to have AMD cards as they wont buy cards that says 4gb when it really just is 3.5gb.

seen many 980ti that dont oc that well and throttle.
another lie. why buy old tech?

Fury x with new tech will last longer and are the better buy at high end.
and lets not forget its a OCers dream also.

The 390 is by far the best gamers card today.

Haha, was typing out a serious response then saw the bold. Realized you were yanking our leg. Haha Kudos :thumbsup:

 

[Azix]

Not true for the entire world. In my country a Fury X is cheaper than a 980ti.

Cheapest 980ti is around 15$ more expensive than the cheapest Fury X.

Good point. The prices vary internationally.

Also only three 980 cards go for under $500 (on newegg anyway). Still, so what? is it not normal to pay even $100 more for that kind of performance increase? For the FUry vs 980 it's something like $70 premium and worth it if you don't OC.

I think people are falling into the "AMD should price lower for similar or moderately better performance" trap. I doubt we would see the same calls for nvidia when they sell weaker hardware for more.

 

[railven]

Good point. The prices vary internationally.

Also only three 980 cards go for under $500 (on newegg anyway). Still, so what? is it not normal to pay even $100 more for that kind of performance increase? For the FUry vs 980 it's something like $70 premium and worth it if you don't OC.

I think people are falling into the "AMD should price lower for similar or moderately better performance" trap. I doubt we would see the same calls for nvidia when they sell weaker hardware for more.

Probably because it wasn't Nvidia that normally reacts by cutting prices even when their products are superior. That's an AMD trait and we've all gotten use to it.

End of the day their terrible marketing and image haunts them (image is tied to various things, but when you have buyers willing to pay 10-20% premiums for your competitors product - you got yourself an image issue).

 

[shady28]

From your own graph above,

Fury at $550 is ~15% faster than $500 GTX980

Fury X at $650 is equal to $650 GTX980ti

Preface your comment with "At 4K" and it's true.

But at 1080p it's a draw vs STOCK Gtx 980, and at 1440p Fury is only 5% faster - using the very same source.

Now throw in that you can, right this moment, buy your choice of 4 GTX 980s at $450-$490 at Newegg and they are all 10%+ overclocked from that reference, out of the box, and they all come with a free game worth ~$50.

And at 1440p the stock Fury is 2% faster than the stock 980 :