I have this feeling that since users can't buy Fury/X, they're buying 390/X

[bystander36]

The "stock" comparison vs the OC 980TI model (Techspot mentioned it nearly hit 1.4ghz on default/auto) is quite telling, with Fury X still beating it.

Surprising it took a max OC 980TI (I'm assuming >1.5ghz boost, due to the OC over the already OC model) to beat a gimped Fury X OC.

This is with NV having the advantage of better DX11 drivers and a more mature uarch/drivers. Whereas Fury X debuts some new tech and its still young.

The next big battle will definitely be Battlefront later this year.

That is at 4K. The lower resolutions it changes. But you keep talking about needing an factory OC, but how is that different than Fury X being clocked to the ragged edge at reference?

The truth, as you can see, is that Fury X won't have more than 50 mhz factory OC's due to the little room they have to work with. So what they showed is pretty much with the public is going to be seeing when buying either card setup. They used cards that cost the same as well.

I know you only want to see the ones where the 980ti is handicapped, but stop acting like showing real world situations as abnormal and unfair.

 

[Nhirlathothep]

So you bought 5 generations of products you hate? Do you enjoy inflicting pain on yourself? At least you could have mined tens of thousands of dollars with t his arsenal of HD4800->6800->7900 cards but I bet you didn't do that either.



Interesting, considering during 9800Pro/X800 generations NV's 2D/3D IQ was horrendous. I guess if you are a fan of Alienware, you have to own NV anyway by default. :thumbsup:

long story short: yep

always with fate in crossfire despite it s nature. always in fight with superior forces, always good at bench bad in games

(i don t really use my alienware pcs, i only like to take pics of em with my iphone)

 

[2is]

$650 might at the upper limit of what someone wants to spend, or even just past what they want to spend. Or even past what they CAN spend.

I think that value for dollars over $500 for a GPU starts to diminish very quickly. It makes perfect sense that if you can't find what you want in the top tier to look below and see if the price makes it more worth it. 390 or 390X still has plenty of performance on the table if you don't want to spend the big bucks right now or can't find what you want in stock.

I disagree, I don't know anyone who's willing to spend $650 on a GPU who's unable to purchase their first option due to stock, breathe a sigh of relief and secretly thank the lord and get a lower end model, and I doubt you do either. If that's what they wanted it's what they would have got to begin with. Someone spending $650 on Fury X isn't doing it because they're being forced to, they're doing it because they want a high end card.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

Im not willing to go over $650 for a gpu right now if it doesn't have the features that Im looking for. If the Fury X was a huge dissappointment to me I would absolutetly look at the next tier down.

Now you know at least one person and you don't have to doubt whether I do too.

 

[2is]

I don't actually know you, so my point stands. I also didn't say anything about disappointment, I said stock.

I'm sure the die hard fanboys may look to a lower tier if they were disappointed by Fury X instead of doing what actually makes sense which is buying a 980Ti. Everyone else, which is most people will either wait for stock to be replenished if Fury X is what they want or buy a 980Ti if that's the level of performance they are wanting and don't want to wait.

 

[Silverforce11]

The truth, as you can see, is that Fury X won't have more than 50 mhz factory OC's due to the little room they have to work with.

At stock volts yes.

But the interesting thing is it can OC a bit and undervolt to save power.

 

[Silverforce11]

I don't think driver updates will save amd this time around but I could be wrong. Either way, I'm not buying a 650 card in hopes amd improves. If I'm spending that money, it's on nvidia so that I get a product that properly works out of the gate.

CF Fury X at 4K is very competitive now already, even against OC 980Ti or the max OC, they're within single digit % of each other. We've already seen the Omega drivers did wonders. Fiji being a new iteration with HBM, surely there's performance left on the table.

The chance of AMD improving Fiji performance is about the same chance as NV crippling (or abandoning optimizations) Maxwell 2 once Pascal is out.

The way I see it, I buy an AMD GCN part, I'll be sure it remains the focus of optimizations as time goes on since the uarch is similar with each iteration.

Given the Kepler situation where people on the geforce forums are mad, that Maxwell 2 SKU may perform well now, but sadly who knows when Pascal is out. Are you confident NV won't shift their focus to Pascal?

 

[Ma_Deuce]

I don't actually know you, so my point stands. I also didn't say anything about disappointment, I said stock.

I'm sure the die hard fanboys may look to a lower tier if they were disappointed by Fury X instead of doing what actually makes sense which is buying a 980Ti. Everyone else, which is most people will either wait for stock to be replenished if Fury X is what they want or buy a 980Ti if that's the level of performance they are wanting and don't want to wait.

What point? That someone that has $650 to spend is going to buy a fury x or 980ti no matter what?

Maybe I'm misreading but that is just incorrect on every level. Following that logic there would be a lot more people sporting a lot more expensive gear.

you are right about the fanboy card you played though. Anyone that shops around within the same brand MUST be a fanboy.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

But the interesting thing is it can OC a bit and undervolt to save power.

I haven't looked into that much. Is that something close to the norm with other cards as well?

 

[tential]

CF Fury X at 4K is very competitive now already, even against OC 980Ti or the max OC, they're within single digit % of each other. We've already seen the Omega drivers did wonders. Fiji being a new iteration with HBM, surely there's performance left on the table.

The chance of AMD improving Fiji performance is about the same chance as NV crippling (or abandoning optimizations) Maxwell 2 once Pascal is out.

The way I see it, I buy an AMD GCN part, I'll be sure it remains the focus of optimizations as time goes on since the uarch is similar with each iteration.

Given the Kepler situation where people on the geforce forums are mad, that Maxwell 2 SKU may perform well now, but sadly who knows when Pascal is out. Are you confident NV won't shift their focus to Pascal?

I don't know but it doesn't matter to me since I don't play new games.
My list of game is already set and Nvidia will have already optimized for all of the games I plan to play currently.

For another buyer? I'd think so...
But people upgraded from a GTX 780 to a GTX 970. Something tells me that when people see Pascal's performance, they'll upgrade no matter what card they have if they like it. Even if I end up getting a GTX 980Ti, I'll get Pascal when it releases and just sell the GTX 980Ti. I'm not going to let a nodeshrink pass me by if the performance jump is real. I am obsessed with 4K gaming, so I really couldn't care less about ANY card currently out, whether I own it or not, if the Nodeshrink cards are a great performance leap. Considering how massive a shrink this is, if it's not I'll be very upset lol. 4K gaming should be possible EASILY next gen come on... it's about time we deserve it we've been patient haven't we Santa? (Or whatever deity you want to get presents from).

This whole Kepler thing is massively overblown anyway.

 

[Headfoot]

Preface your comment with "At 4K" and it's true.

But at 1080p it's a draw vs STOCK Gtx 980, and at 1440p Fury is only 5% faster - using the very same source.

Now throw in that you can, right this moment, buy your choice of 4 GTX 980s at $450-$490 at Newegg and they are all 10%+ overclocked from that reference, out of the box, and they all come with a free game worth ~$50.

And at 1440p the stock Fury is 2% faster than the stock 980 :

980 is a total waste at 1080. Overkill. 970 or 390 is the card for 1080.

 

[2is]

What point? That someone that has $650 to spend is going to buy a fury x or 980ti no matter what?

Maybe I'm misreading but that is just incorrect on every level. Following that logic there would be a lot more people sporting a lot more expensive gear.

you are right about the fanboy card you played though. Anyone that shops around within the same brand MUST be a fanboy.

Yeah, you certainly are missing the point so I'll repeat it. Someone who is willing and ready to spend $650 on a card to get Fury X/980Ti level of performance isn't going to downgrade to a 390x simply because Fury X isn't in stock. They'll buy either the Fury X when it restocks or a 980Ti now. They're not going to go "welp, Fury X isn't in stock, i'm gonna buy a 390x" it's in a completely different performance class.

And yeah, I know I'm right about the fanboy comment.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yeah, you certainly are missing the point so I'll repeat it. Someone who is willing and ready to spend $650 on a card to get Fury X/980Ti level of performance isn't going to downgrade to a 390x simply because Fury X isn't in stock. They'll buy either the Fury X when it restocks or a 980Ti now. They're not going to go "welp, Fury X isn't in stock, i'm gonna buy a 390x" it's in a completely different performance class.

This.

 

[soccerballtux]

I still think the 8GB and another 3 years of optimizations are nothing to sneeze at.

 

[2is]

I still think the 8GB and another 3 years of optimizations are nothing to sneeze at.

It being 3 years old doesn't equate to "3 years of optimizations" nor does anything need 3 years of optimizations. It takes a few driver revisions then it plateaus. After that you get driver releases that may increase performance in certain games, but that's on a case by case basis and typically for new game releases. Not to mention, "3 years of optimizations" still isn't enough to make it a more powerful card.

In other words, a completely useless metric.

 

[Silverforce11]

I think he means GCN will remain the uarch for AMD's GPU/APU for the coming years/foreseeable future.

And the GCN-powered console generation have plenty of years left in it.

It's what I think as well, I don't have to worry about my R290s or R290X no longer being optimized for new games.

When 14nm matures and GPU prices become reasonable, then its a good time to move on. Until then, I fully expect GCN SKUs to keep on powering on as it receives further optimizations.

 

[Nhirlathothep]

amd pple won t shut up with dignity atm.

as for CPU MARKET need 3-5 years with rebrands or fails to "stop believing"

 

[ShintaiDK]

Yeah, you certainly are missing the point so I'll repeat it. Someone who is willing and ready to spend $650 on a card to get Fury X/980Ti level of performance isn't going to downgrade to a 390x simply because Fury X isn't in stock. They'll buy either the Fury X when it restocks or a 980Ti now. They're not going to go "welp, Fury X isn't in stock, i'm gonna buy a 390x" it's in a completely different performance class.

We have a winner of the thread.

 

[Gikaseixas]

While in vacation in Portugal i bought from a friend a 390x for 250 euros ($280). It's the Gigabyte one, shorter than most but the cooler is actually very good.
This will allow me to wait for the next node as i didn't see any point in spending $650 for another 28nm product.

I agree with people recommending GTX 980ti if you can't find Fury X in stock. If you have the money and all you want is the same performance, why not?

 

[sam_816]

Yeah, you certainly are missing the point so I'll repeat it. Someone who is willing and ready to spend $650 on a card to get Fury X/980Ti level of performance isn't going to downgrade to a 390x simply because Fury X isn't in stock. They'll buy either the Fury X when it restocks or a 980Ti now. They're not going to go "welp, Fury X isn't in stock, i'm gonna buy a 390x" it's in a completely different performance class.





And yeah, I know I'm right about the fanboy comment.

Completely agree with you.

Adding to it, Most of the ppl here are assuming that for a buyer clc on fury x means nothing. Ppl just compare benchmarks and put 980ti in 1st place and furyx in second. But buyer saw(hopefully still seeing) fury x as 550 card with 100$ cooler which is also covered in warranty. Which is factory fitted n hassle free.

All liquid cooled 980tis start at 750. And they get in stock as often as furyx does. And still have a loud blower on them. Second assumption most of the ppl are making that everyone who buys these tier of cards overclock them. I don't think more than 30% of buyers of these cards have any intention of overclocking( at least when they buy). I know 5 ppl(excluding myself) who wanted fury x for clc only. One of them has a gaming cafe thing and is still waiting to get fury x to be instock and at 650$ price.

 

[railven]

Completely agree with you.

Adding to it, Most of the ppl here are assuming that for a buyer clc on fury x means nothing. Ppl just compare benchmarks and put 980ti in 1st place and furyx in second. But buyer saw(hopefully still seeing) fury x as 550 card with 100$ cooler which is also covered in warranty. Which is factory fitted n hassle free.

All liquid cooled 980tis start at 750. And they get in stock as often as furyx does. And still have a loud blower on them. Second assumption most of the ppl are making that everyone who buys these tier of cards overclock them. I don't think more than 30% of buyers of these cards have any intention of overclocking( at least when they buy). I know 5 ppl(excluding myself) who wanted fury x for clc only. One of them has a gaming cafe thing and is still waiting to get fury x to be instock and at 650$ price.

What?

EDIT: Note, trying to use same reviewers for products to control testing methodologies.

VS

EDIT: Adding to this, since there aren't many Hybrid reviews:
https://youtu.be/qtRqmzRMar8?t=469
@7:50 time stamp

...absolutely quiet..

https://youtu.be/iEwLtqbBw90?t=458
@7:38

...this card is among the loudest and most annoying cards I've ever heard.

Sending out defected CLCs didn't help AMD very much.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

Yeah, you certainly are missing the point so I'll repeat it. Someone who is willing and ready to spend $650 on a card to get Fury X/980Ti level of performance isn't going to downgrade to a 390x simply because Fury X isn't in stock. They'll buy either the Fury X when it restocks or a 980Ti now. They're not going to go "welp, Fury X isn't in stock, i'm gonna buy a 390x" it's in a completely different performance class.

And yeah, I know I'm right about the fanboy comment.

You've at least narrowed your point down enough to make sense. If someone has to have FuryX/980ti performance and they want to spend at least $650 of course they are probably not going to downgrade. They might cross fire but I don't think many would do that either.

If someone is looking for a card that will suit their needs and doesn't feel like they are obliged to spend at least $650 they would be smart to shop around. It's not out of the realm of possibility that anyone who wants to build their system or upgrade and can't get a FuryX might decide to take a 390x/390 for now. Especially if they are on a budget. They may put that cash toward something else in their setup. There are countless build threads on the interwebs discussing exactly that.

Of course you are right about the fanboy comment. No one is ever wrong when invoking that tired argument lol

Edit: fat finger phone spelling

 

[Ma_Deuce]

Most of the ppl here are assuming that for a buyer clc on fury x means nothing. Ppl just compare benchmarks and put 980ti in 1st place and furyx in second. But buyer saw(hopefully still seeing) fury x as 550 card with 100$ cooler which is also covered in warranty. Which is factory fitted n hassle free.

The CLC on the X is the main reason I am even considering spending this much on a GPU. I think it's a huge plus and worth a little extra cash. It really sucks that they got hit with a stock of noisy pumps.

It's just not worth it for me to spend the extra $$$ to go with an aftermark LC 980ti or mess around with a custom loop right now.

 

[n0x1ous]

The CLC on the X is the main reason I am even considering spending this much on a GPU. I think it's a huge plus and worth a little extra cash. It really sucks that they got hit with a stock of noisy pumps.

It's just not worth it for me to spend the extra $$$ to go with an aftermark LC 980ti or mess around with a custom loop right now.

Yeah the cooler is awesome once you get a good one.

Took me 2 RMA's and the 3rd one had the revised pump.

 

[Ma_Deuce]

What?

EDIT: Note, trying to use same reviewers for products to control testing methodologies.

VS

Sending out defected CLCs didn't help AMD very much.

EDIT: Adding to this, since there aren't many Hybrid reviews:
https://youtu.be/qtRqmzRMar8?t=469
@7:50 time stamp


https://youtu.be/iEwLtqbBw90?t=460
@7:40

I really hope they get a handle on their pump situation. There is just no excuse for an AIO to be that loud