I have this feeling that since users can't buy Fury/X, they're buying 390/X

[railven]

I really hope they get a handle on their pump situation. There is just no excuse for an AIO to be that loud

Tell me about it, and I'd wager money none of these sites/reviewers are going to go back and revisit the issue.

So people looking at reviews for these products are gonna see this and go "yuck." It's like the 290/290X all over again.

 

[n0x1ous]

Tell me about it, and I'd wager money none of these sites/reviewers are going to go back and revisit the issue.

So people looking at reviews for these products are gonna see this and go "yuck." It's like the 290/290X all over again.

Yup its a real shame. The card is so sexy and quiet I gawk at it all the time.......but you only get 1 chance to make a first impression.

 

[tential]

Yeah the cooler is awesome once you get a good one.

Took me 2 RMA's and the 3rd one had the revised pump.

Same boat as him. The only reason i wanted to spend this much was to have a standard clc cooler. Now though im not impressed by fury x performance but the clc cooler is a massive bonus.

But see while I want a 650 gpu I won't purchase one if I don't think it's worth the money (relatively speaking in that price bracket).

So I'll wait a little and try to stack a coupon or something and see if fury x gets an update or two that closes the gap. Really depends on how time sensitive you are.

 

[tential]

Yup its a real shame. The card is so sexy and quiet I gawk at it all the time.......but you only get 1 chance to make a first impression.

Which is amds massive problem. They need a perfect launch period. Nvidia was able to let gtx 970 issues arise afterwards and while it sucked, people were already happy with their cards.

Amd has launch issues that screw up Lau check reviews.

 

[sam_816]

What?

EDIT: Note, trying to use same reviewers for products to control testing methodologies.

VS

EDIT: Adding to this, since there aren't many Hybrid reviews:
https://youtu.be/qtRqmzRMar8?t=469
@7:50 time stamp


https://youtu.be/iEwLtqbBw90?t=458
@7:38


Sending out defected CLCs didn't help AMD very much.

So from all my post u just got blower noise point?
Instead of making so much effort to compare a normal product to a (proven) defective product you could have simply written 'i don't care what ppl say I wont accept anything said in favor of amd'. I am sure ppl would have appreciated an honest statement. I would have.

My point still stands. Ppl don't buy cards just based on the benchmarks. 7.5 inch size of fury x is selling point for many. Factory fitted clc is another. Cross fire scaling over sli is yet another.

If anyone thinks comparing 900 series architecture with 2-3 months old fury is fair then good for them. I think its just unfair.

 

[railven]

So from all my post u just got blower noise point?
Instead of making so much effort to compare a normal product to a (proven) defective product you could have simply written 'i don't care what ppl say I wont accept anything said in favor of amd'. I am sure ppl would have appreciated an honest statement. I would have.

What? Who says something idiotic like that? I did make an honest statement, and some buyers of Fury X will back it up - AMD botched their launch and now you got reviews where it shows the cooler in a negative way. Other people will read them and turn away.

AMD sent out defective units, not I or anyone else, I'm showing you reviewers "honest" opinions to counter your "loud blower" on a card you probably didn't even look up (who's being dishonest, here?).

My point still stands. Ppl don't buy cards just based on the benchmarks. 7.5 inch size of fury x is selling point for many. Factory fitted clc is another. Cross fire scaling over sli is yet another.

If anyone thinks comparing 900 series architecture with 2-3 months old fury is fair then good for them. I think its just unfair.

A 7.5 in card is a selling point. So is a CLC (when it isn't making dogs barks, yeah that's a joke - relax), but that doesn't change what I posted.

And did you see this SLI vs CFX review?
http://www.techspot.com/review/1033-gtx-980-ti-sli-r9-fury-x-crossfire/page7.html

Gamers wanting to play at 4K will be happy with either setup overall, but we feel Nvidia offers a more consistent gaming experience while allowing for an additional 15% performance bump through overclocking. Normally we don't place so much emphasis on overclocking, but we feel those seeking an enthusiast multi-GPU setup are probably able and willing to enjoy the benefits of overclocking

All while using less power (which translates to heat, so whether it is dumped into your case or your room, you will feel it).

The "overclockers dream" is not doing so hot in that department.

 

[Chaotic0ne]

I'm pleased with my R9 390. It'll run 1130/1650 at stock voltage, but it needs +80 MV to hit 1200 core though. To get 1700 memory stable needs +44mv on the aux volts. The difference between 1130 and 1200 is about 1.5fps average. The difference between 1130 and 1040 is about 6-7 fps. So you hit pretty hard diminishing returns once you get much past 1100. For this reason I've decided to stick with the 1130/1650 OC to keep things cool. Going beyond 1200 core would be pointless for anything other than benchmarking.

I'm curious if a 390 can unlock to a 390x? Are there extra shaders that can be unlocked? Or is there even any point if I can already get 1130/1650 at stock voltage? I've heard of people getting as high as 1170/1750 on stock voltage with an MSI R9 390 Gaming 8G. I'm still not sure whether or not the one I got is average, or a very good one?

 

[sam_816]

What? Who says something idiotic like that? I did make an honest statement, and some buyers of Fury X will back it up - AMD botched their launch and now you got reviews where it shows the cooler in a negative way. Other people will read them and turn away.

Nobody says such idiotic things just like no body make comparisons bw defective vs. Non defective. How many reviewers claimed pump noise problems in their launch day reviews? Only those who got 1batch units and users with newer pumps say the problem is solved. If ppl turn away from AMD knowing that 1 batch of cooler master's pumps are defective then I feel sorry for them.

AMD sent out defective units, not I or anyone else, I'm showing you reviewers "honest" opinions to counter your "loud blower" on a card you probably didn't even look up (who's being dishonest, here?).

Yes amd's QC fcked up n allow 1 batch of faulty pump pass. NVIDIA lied about 970's vram how many people were able to return their cards to get a non defective cards? Oh wait that was not QC goofup that was intentional..

Let me break a top secret to you corporations lie. At some point of other every company lies.

When someone decides to buy a card they keep in mind that their product might be doa or might need rma. Bad pump is a deal breaker for me if I am sure NVIDIA cards have 0% chance of doa or rma.

How many "honest" reviewers update their reviews? How many years do they use the cards before writing their reviews? How many of them consider real life factors like dust, climate(temps) pets, time and frequency of maintenance? But buyers do. I do because i have experienced the noise of a blower after six months of sucking dust and heat inside a case.(even after after weekly cleaning). Not everyone can replicate the test environment like these reviewers because ppl don't use cards for 2-3 weeks only. hence, I return to my point.. Buyers don't buy cards just based on benchmarks......

A 7.5 in card is a selling point. So is a CLC (when it isn't making dogs barks, yeah that's a joke - relax), but that doesn't change what I posted.
And did you see this SLI vs CFX review?
http://www.techspot.com/review/1033-gtx-980-ti-sli-r9-fury-x-crossfire/page7.html

All while using less power (which translates to heat, so whether it is dumped into your case or your room, you will feel it).

The "overclockers dream" is not doing so hot in that department.

Lol u back at comparing benchmarks? I thought we have established that buyers need more than top of the benchmark list cards. may be not for you.
2 fury x means 2 clc. Means less heat inside the case, means longer life as compared to any 2 air cooled cards. Do you have any reviews comparing lifetimes of cards under water n air-cooled? probably not, because these "honest" reviewers borrow cards for 2-3 weeks and then return them and never update their reviews as they are busy generating more money by writing more click bait articles.. ppl should totally trust these "honest" reviewers because they have dedicated their lives towards the cause...
and ppl who will buy 2+ cards for gaming do not worry about power consumption but they do get annoyed if the game crashes when one of the cards overheats..

 

[Chaotic0ne]

I would buy a Fury X over a 980TI just because its water cooled. The slight performance increase the 980TI has over the Fury X doesn't necessarily make it better. If you want to water cool that 980TI, you'll need to spend extra $ on a water block and loop. Anyone looking to water cool their GPUs is going to prefer the Fury X. The slight difference in speed the 980TI has can easily be passed by the water cooled + OC'd Fury X.

 

[LTC8K6]

The slight difference in speed the 980TI has can easily be passed by the water cooled + OC'd Fury X.

I'll need to see evidence of that since the 980ti overclocks pretty well without water cooling.

 

[sam_816]

I would buy a Fury X over a 980TI just because its water cooled. The slight performance increase the 980TI has over the Fury X doesn't necessarily make it better. If you want to water cool that 980TI, you'll need to spend extra $ on a water block and loop. Anyone looking to water cool their GPUs is going to prefer the Fury X. The slight difference in speed the 980TI has can easily be passed by the water cooled + OC'd Fury X.

yes, and considering that there is no chance of voiding warranty, in fact if the cooler fails you will get replacement of the whole thing is extra positive.

people are basically comparing $550 card with $650 card besides the fact that no non-reference 980 ti costs 650 and no clc or liquid cooler bracket for 980 ti costs less than $110..
and overclocking potential of reference 980ti is not that high.

 

[Chaotic0ne]

I'll need to see evidence of that since the 980ti overclocks pretty well without water cooling.

The 300 series also overclocks pretty well.

 

[n0x1ous]

overclocking potential of reference 980ti is not that high.

disagree. easily get 1450 sustained on the core on mine.

 

[sam_816]

I'll need to see evidence of that since the 980ti overclocks pretty well without water cooling.

No offense but what is 'evidence' in this case and who will provide it?
if you prefer FPS games, will adding rpgs and rts in the average score give you evidence?
will running games at the beginning of a campaign or running around in open area will give true representation of how card will behave in more crowded or intense missions?
can a user who has used a card for 2-3 weeks provide this evidence?
many furyx reviewers rcvd perfectly working cards but those who got it retail units had defective pumps. can we assume AMD (and maybe nvidia) give these reviewers selected units??

 

[tential]

You're missing the point railven is making quite badly.

His point is amd had issues with products at their launch and thus suffer poor pr which effects sales.

Gtx 970 was a lie, but the lie was caught months afterward and the launch / reviews are unaffected.

His point is these blunders make it hard o launch a new product.

Edit: the fact that you're trying to find nvidia wrongdoings shows you're thinking as nvidia vs amd rather than recognizing the things amd can do to have better launch reviews of their product.

 

[sam_816]

disagree. easily get 1450 sustained on the core on mine.

so, can i assume you got a good chip or its a waste of money to buy after market 980tis??
frankly i would be stupid to assume either.
i have this case. and i can't even think of overclocking my card to 1450. this is how an avg. user thinks. and that is why they go for non reference cards. and that is why i made that remark in my post.

 

[railven]

Nobody says such idiotic things just like no body make comparisons bw defective vs. Non defective. How many reviewers claimed pump noise problems in their launch day reviews? Only those who got 1batch units and users with newer pumps say the problem is solved. If ppl turn away from AMD knowing that 1 batch of cooler master's pumps are defective then I feel sorry for them.

Odd, I showed you two reviews were they used a defective product and made comparisons. I guess, them people are idiotic. :/

I wonder how many units were in that 1st batch? Since the pump issue affected a good portion of reviewers/buyers.

You should feel sorry for AMD that reviews now have commentary such as "this thing is loud, buyer beware!"

Yes amd's QC fcked up n allow 1 batch of faulty pump pass. NVIDIA lied about 970's vram how many people were able to return their cards to get a non defective cards? Oh wait that was not QC goofup that was intentional..

"Yeah, well he did something worse!" Kudos!

Let me break a top secret to you corporations lie. At some point of other every company lies.

Wow, mister, you've blown my mind! I hope you don't get in trouble for telling me that water is wet. :awe:

When someone decides to buy a card they keep in mind that their product might be doa or might need rma. Bad pump is a deal breaker for me if I am sure NVIDIA cards have 0% chance of doa or rma.

Weird, when I buy a product I only expect one thing: it works. Are you buying products expecting them to arrive broken? No wonder you're lapping up the pump issue. "I hope I get one that whines!"

How many "honest" reviewers update their reviews? How many years do they use the cards before writing their reviews? How many of them consider real life factors like dust, climate(temps) pets, time and frequency of maintenance? But buyers do. I do because i have experienced the noise of a blower after six months of sucking dust and heat inside a case.(even after after weekly cleaning). Not everyone can replicate the test environment like these reviewers because ppl don't use cards for 2-3 weeks only. hence, I return to my point.. Buyers don't buy cards just based on benchmarks......
Lol u back at comparing benchmarks? I thought we have established that buyers need more than top of the benchmark list cards. may be not for you.
2 fury x means 2 clc. Means less heat inside the case, means longer life as compared to any 2 air cooled cards. Do you have any reviews comparing lifetimes of cards under water n air-cooled? probably not, because these "honest" reviewers borrow cards for 2-3 weeks and then return them and never update their reviews as they are busy generating more money by writing more click bait articles.. ppl should totally trust these "honest" reviewers because they have dedicated their lives towards the cause...
and ppl who will buy 2+ cards for gaming do not worry about power consumption but they do get annoyed if the game crashes when one of the cards overheats..

Here is how this went down:
You:
"words words hybrid cards still have a loud blower words words words."

Me:
What? No they don't, here is proof.

You:
"That doesn't matter because of one bad batch, they still got form factor and SLI scaling."

Me:
But even scaling is bad, and a pump is good when it works - like the reviews for the hybrid units you called loud.

You:
LOL!

I only contested your claim of loud blowers on hybrid cards. The rest is me debasing your follow up. But relax, you already labeled me "whatever I don't care if anyone says something nice about AMD"

 

[Jacky60]

No offense but what is 'evidence' in this case and who will provide it?
if you prefer FPS games, will adding rpgs and rts in the average score give you evidence?
will running games at the beginning of a campaign or running around in open area will give true representation of how card will behave in more crowded or intense missions?
can a user who has used a card for 2-3 weeks provide this evidence?
many furyx reviewers rcvd perfectly working cards but those who got it retail units had defective pumps. can we assume AMD (and maybe nvidia) give these reviewers selected units??

Both my reference 980tis run at 1380 all the time quite happily, no over volting just power at 106% and sliders moved. The past 7 ATI/AMD cards have all been lousy overclockers.

 

[Jacky60]

Water cooling is great for the Fury x, I loved the way my 295x2s were always below 60c. I would have bought fury X if it had 6gb ram, even if it's performance was a little below 980ti in some games. A bit of overclocking headroom would have easily clinched the deal but no AMD cards have regularly exceeded 1200 on the core for the last 3 years in my experience and from what I've read. AMD need to do better not just as good.

 

[railven]

disagree. easily get 1450 sustained on the core on mine.

I guess I shouldn't say my golden picked from the orchard by Jen-Hsun himself Ref sample can hit 1504mhz with 100% fan on Firestrike.

Or that water cooling my GTX 980 Ti is actually going to cost me less than had I bought a Fury X ()

Zotac 980 Ti ref model $650 + $10 Giftcard
+Batman AK
+MGS5

Corsair HG10 N980 $40
-$40 rebates from buying two other Corsair products earlier year

Total cost to me for a water cooled 980 Ti Hybrid:
$640 + 2 games

But I know I'm a special snowflake ()

 

[sam_816]

Both my reference 980tis run at 1380 all the time quite happily, no over volting just power at 106% and sliders moved. The past 7 ATI/AMD cards have all been lousy overclockers.

thank you. Now i would take your word over these sites any day. this is the point i wanted to make.
people come to forums to exchange their opinions and experience. not to compare benchmarks done by other sites(i know most of us can use google).. but that is what's happening.

title of the thread is ".. since users can't buy fury x, they are buying 390/x" and more than half of the posts carry benchmarks comparing 980ti and fury x and ppl trying to justify which card is better...

 

[sam_816]

Odd, I showed you two reviews were they used a defective product and made comparisons. I guess, them people are idiotic. :/

I wonder how many units were in that 1st batch? Since the pump issue affected a good portion of reviewers/buyers.

You should feel sorry for AMD that reviews now have commentary such as "this thing is loud, buyer beware!"



"Yeah, well he did something worse!" Kudos!



Wow, mister, you've blown my mind! I hope you don't get in trouble for telling me that water is wet. :awe:



Weird, when I buy a product I only expect one thing: it works. Are you buying products expecting them to arrive broken? No wonder you're lapping up the pump issue. "I hope I get one that whines!"



Here is how this went down:
You:
"words words hybrid cards still have a loud blower words words words."

Me:
What? No they don't, here is proof.

You:
"That doesn't matter because of one bad batch, they still got form factor and SLI scaling."

Me:
But even scaling is bad, and a pump is good when it works - like the reviews for the hybrid units you called loud.

You:
LOL!

I only contested your claim of loud blowers on hybrid cards. The rest is me debasing your follow up. But relax, you already labeled me "whatever I don't care if anyone says something nice about AMD"

this is how you see it went down.
whatever i wrote was my opinion on how a regular buyer looks at things.
and i still stand by it. people do not buy cards based on benchmarks only. and as per my experience, blower+clc will be louder and will have lesser life if ppl don't live in completely closed air conditioned rooms.
and yes, i have labeled & you have proved it "whatever, I dont care if anyone says something nice about AMD"

 

[n0x1ous]

so, can i assume you got a good chip or its a waste of money to buy after market 980tis?

no not a waste of money as they are still quieter and cooler. My asic score was like 68% on it though which is probably below average. Makes me think that 1400+ is easily attainable on most of them.

 

[sam_816]

no not a waste of money as they are still quieter and cooler. My asic score was like 68% on it though which is probably below average. Makes me think that 1400+ is easily attainable on most of them.

980 ti is indeed a good card. since i couldn't find a fury, i was divided between zotac's amp extreme and gigabyte. I went with gigabyte as it is easier to sell i have touched 1450+ but my heart was pounding faster than the fans so, i don't think i will try that again.:$
do not know anything about asic tho.

 

[Sabrewings]

With an EK water block, my reference 980 Ti (with a rather low ASIC, IIRC) hits 1540MHz solid. I'm sure it would be within 100MHz of that on air, but it wouldn't be nearly as cool or quiet as it is now (load under 40C and whisper quiet fans).