I having a late dinner bad for you?

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Semidevil

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With current food plan, I'm still eating w/in the range of my calories and eating all healthy food. I eat 5 or 6 times a day, I do weights Mon Wed Fri, and work Late on Tuesday and Thursday. With that in mind, I end up eating dinner between 7:30 to 8:30PM nightly. I don't go to bed until 11:00 or midnight.

Looking at all the calories, Dinner seems to be my meal with largest calories, any where between 400 to 500. It consists of chicken breast, various veggies, and if I use oil, it's organic coconut oil.

Will eating this large meal at night affect my goal of trying to lose body fat, gain muscle, lose belly, etc etc? On Mon/Wed/Friday, it's usually about 1 hour after a workout, once I get home.
 

alkemyst

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It's all total calories....but in general if you are truly training and pushing yourself, you will find you will need to have the most calories of your day PRIOR to your workout.

Eating 'bad' right after a workout makes it a little more tolerable with the way your body handles things. I'd eat first though and then hit the gym.
 

brandonb

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You should not eat within 3 hours of going to bed.

The reason should make sense: When your body is sleeping, the metabolism slows down. You do not burn the calories you intake, and instead the body converts the calories into fat since they are circulating your blood stream and they are not being used.

Also exercising in the morning before breakfast is also a good way to lose fat, because your body has stored its available energy so when you exercise before breakfast, your body pulls all its energy from fat cells, however, the liver will usually overheat during that process (the pain in the side when you run alot symptom). But if you go at a slow pace and a long duration you can burn a ton of fat.

Also, please look up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptin

Or google this hormone. It's been recently discovered within the last 20 years, so alot of the science of the past is no longer relevant now that this hormone was discovered and is being studied. There are books out that that cover this hormone, and all the studies and I've read one (best book I probably ever read.)

To make a long story short. Leptin is the hormone in the body which regulates appetite and metabolism and is the way the metabolism organs in our body communicates. For example. What makes you hungry? A lower level of leptin circulating the body is picked up by the brain and your brain starts making you hungry. A high level of leptin tells your brain that it is full. The liver, pancreas, and everything else key off leptin in order to know what to do and when to activate. When you eat, the leptin level increases, and while the body finishes processing those calories, the leptin decreases.

In a typical (fit and healthy) person, everything works fine as designed. However, what makes a fat person hungry even though they have plenty of calories? Leptin. Again. It's been discovered that if your body has continious calories given to it throughout the day, the brain becomes tolerant to the leptin in the body. No different than any other drug the body may consume. Over time, the body becomes used to it, and you need more of the drug to get the same effect. So that means, you need more leptin in your body to give the brain the "I'm full" response. How do you get more leptin? You eat more. This means, the more frequently you eat and the higher you keep your leptin levels in your body, the more tolerant it becomes and you need more food over time to keep satisfied. That is the reason why fat people eat all the time because they never truely ever feel full, and take in too many calories. The best way to fix this is to eat only 2-3 times a day, with 6 hours between meals (this includes drinks, including diet pop, as your leptin doesn't know it doesn't contain calories, it will still raise, however, water doesn't increase leptin, you can drink that between meals.) That allows the leptin to go through its peaks and valleys, which will reduce or eliminate the tolerance your brain has established.

When I followed that simple rule about 4 years ago, my body took about 6 months to fix itself, and I went from 240 pounds down to 180. With no dieting and no exercise. It wasn't what I ate, it was when I ate, and how frequently and much snacking I did, and had nothing to do with caloric intake.

The reason I mentioned this is because you mention having 5-6 meals a day. You might actually be harming your goals by eating so frequently. You might be able to lose weight or even maintain your weight if you do so because the exercising is keeping you in check, but the second you stop exercising, you are likely to gain your weight back.
 
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mechBgon

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I wouldn't overthink this. I got off work yesterday and did a leg-murdering 3 1/2hr training ride, got home at 11PM and threw a frozen pizza in the oven. I'm not staying up 'til 3AM to avoid it being a "late dinner." My liver and pancreas can just DEAL WITH IT
 
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You should not eat within 3 hours of going to bed.

The reason should make sense: When your body is sleeping, the metabolism slows down. You do not burn the calories you intake, and instead the body converts the calories into fat since they are circulating your blood stream and they are not being used.

Also exercising in the morning before breakfast is also a good way to lose fat, because your body has stored its available energy so when you exercise before breakfast, your body pulls all its energy from fat cells, however, the liver will usually overheat during that process (the pain in the side when you run alot symptom). But if you go at a slow pace and a long duration you can burn a ton of fat.

Also, please look up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptin

Or google this hormone. It's been recently discovered within the last 20 years, so alot of the science of the past is no longer relevant now that this hormone was discovered and is being studied. There are books out that that cover this hormone, and all the studies and I've read one (best book I probably ever read.)

To make a long story short. Leptin is the hormone in the body which regulates appetite and metabolism and is the way the metabolism organs in our body communicates. For example. What makes you hungry? A lower level of leptin circulating the body is picked up by the brain and your brain starts making you hungry. A high level of leptin tells your brain that it is full. The liver, pancreas, and everything else key off leptin in order to know what to do and when to activate. When you eat, the leptin level increases, and while the body finishes processing those calories, the leptin decreases.

In a typical (fit and healthy) person, everything works fine as designed. However, what makes a fat person hungry even though they have plenty of calories? Leptin. Again. It's been discovered that if your body has continious calories given to it throughout the day, the brain becomes tolerant to the leptin in the body. No different than any other drug the body may consume. Over time, the body becomes used to it, and you need more of the drug to get the same effect. So that means, you need more leptin in your body to give the brain the "I'm full" response. How do you get more leptin? You eat more. This means, the more frequently you eat and the higher you keep your leptin levels in your body, the more tolerant it becomes and you need more food over time to keep satisfied. That is the reason why fat people eat all the time because they never truely ever feel full, and take in too many calories. The best way to fix this is to eat only 2-3 times a day, with 6 hours between meals (this includes drinks, including diet pop, as your leptin doesn't know it doesn't contain calories, it will still raise, however, water doesn't increase leptin, you can drink that between meals.) That allows the leptin to go through its peaks and valleys, which will reduce or eliminate the tolerance your brain has established.

When I followed that simple rule about 4 years ago, my body took about 6 months to fix itself, and I went from 240 pounds down to 180. With no dieting and no exercise. It wasn't what I ate, it was when I ate, and how frequently and much snacking I did, and had nothing to do with caloric intake.

The reason I mentioned this is because you mention having 5-6 meals a day. You might actually be harming your goals by eating so frequently. You might be able to lose weight or even maintain your weight if you do so because the exercising is keeping you in check, but the second you stop exercising, you are likely to gain your weight back.

You're thinking in terms of metabolism as a momentary thing. As a whole, metabolism should be considered as an average of the day as a whole. If you burn enough calories during the day, a late dinner won't harm you whatsoever. In addition, your explanation of burning more fat in the morning is technically correct, but does not actually mean more weight loss. Even if you burn fat acutely, your body will restore both that and the glycogen. What you're referring to is the same thing that exercise machines refer to as the "fat burning zone," which is a complete misinterpretation of exercise physiology. Yes, you use more fat as fuel. However, it's intramuscular fat and has nothing to do with the fat that people look at. Secondly, post exercise, your body actually restores that plus more as an adaptation (i.e. endurance athletes have much more intramuscular fat). It's all about calories in vs. calories out, if weight loss is the goal. It doesn't matter what intensity you're working at, as long as you're working and are eating less than you're burning.

In addition to everything I've said, talking about leptin as a sole contributor to hunger and satiety is a gross over-simplification of the human body. You also have ghrelin, neuropeptide Y, neural involvement from the hypothalamus, mechanical stimulation of the stomach from being filled, etc. It's just not that easy.
 

HNNstyle

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The reason should make sense: When your body is sleeping, the metabolism slows down. You do not burn the calories you intake, and instead the body converts the calories into fat since they are circulating your blood stream and they are not being used.

I think this is where the confusion is occurring. Just because your metabolism slows down, does not automatically mean your body will convert everything you ate into fat. If your body needs such foods as protein for your muscles then it will use it for muscles and not store it as fat. Eating a large meal before you go to bed will cause you to wake up on a full stomach.
 

HNNstyle

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Link to bodybuilding forum thread in which people tell you what they eat before bed. Most of them say cottage cheese is the best thing to eat before sleeping.

Edit2: Here's a better thread with more info.
 
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TanisHalfElven

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eh. Maybe. But really unless your a competition level bodybuilder who cares.
The minuscule difference it might make is masked a ton of other things.

For me atleast, i workout hard, and then eat whatever i feel like. I don't have time to plan out meals in advance or eat 6 meals a day.

Eat what you want, in moderate quantities, and workout. Everything else kinda comes out in the wash.
 

Sixguns

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If I eat to late, I have trouble sleeping. It seems as if my body doesnt really get the rest of a full 7-8 hour sleep.


Definitely. Holy crap I quit drinking liquids past 6pm and now I never have to wake up to pee. Love it.

Ive got to be careful about that too since Jack3d makes me pee like ever 30 minutes it seems like. No water past 8 or I am getting up at least twice a night.
 
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