I helped kill judges and cops, and I helped blow up buidlings

[her209]

Its the stupidest anti-drug commercial ever. You can say the same thing with: I help support terrorism by buying gasoline

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: Murphyrulez
But how can you deny the truth of the ads? How are they lying?

It doesn't matter if it the government's fault, or Andy Rooney's fault. If your money is making its way back to cop-killers, how can you argue?


/edit spelling

1- i didn't "deny the truth" of the ads

2- they aren't lying, just like those stupid truth anti-smoking ads aren't lying, but the truthfulness or lack of telling the WHOLE story doesn't mean i agree with that type of "social engineering", i believe in Freedom of Choice and as i said before , if nobody learned anything from the 18th amendment then...

3- i can argue because i believe in individual freedom and responsibility and i believe that the "war on drugs" and the anti-drug laws create as many problems as they solve and i don't believe its the Federal governments role (and i don't believe its constitutional, powers undefined by the constitution are supposed to fall back to the states) to "Social Engineer" in this manner. http://lp.org

have a nice day!

 

[Snegbot]

Originally posted by: Millenium
Also I helped kidnappers, terrorists get passports etc. That is if you have ever done drugs. You supported terrorism.

Not true if you grow your own.

But seriously, any easily portable form of wealth will be exploited by terrorist organizations. From cocaine in Colombia, diamonds in Angola, or alcohol and the Mafia. If marijuana cost the same as lettuce, or cocaine the same as refined sugar there would be no way for terrorists to profit from it, and it's prohibition that artificially inflates the price of drugs.

 

[LaBang]

don't worry, you didn't support terrorism. it was the people that made the drugs illegal in the first place that are putting the money in the pockets of shady people.

 

[deftron]

Prohibition of a product with a high demand is the problem.

The black market creates a high profit source for crimmals.

Since people are going to use drugs, regardless of their legallity..


Legalize drugs = problem solved

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: deftron
Prohibition of a product with a high demand is the problem.

The black market creates a high profit source for crimmals.

Since people are going to use drugs, regardless of their legallity..

Legalize drugs = problem solved

Oil is legal...

 

[rubix]

if you own a playstation 2 you support terrorism because saddam hussein bought some for missle control purposes. i own a dreamcast and a gamecube, i support dying systems.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Spendthrift
amused one - your logic could be applied to a number of things.

we will never win the war against child pornography and its "illegality only creates a highly dangerous underground black market."

so heck, guess we should legalize it and that way the money wont go to the underground porn shops and whatever else theyre connected with.

You REALLY haven't thought this one through . . . the prohibition against child porn does not equal the prohibition against drug use.

In the case of child porn, there is a victim - the child - that is exploited (it doesn't have a choice).

In the case of drug use, only the users are the "victims" (they DO have a choice to use or not).


And in the case of this ridiculous ad, buying drugs does not equal supporting terrorism any more than buying gasoline does.

 

[Spendthrift]

some drug users are victims just as children in child porn are.

do you really believe that all drug users are informed adults who make rational decisions to use drugs and can quit anytime they choose?

what about the kids who start using because of peer pressure or because they dont know/realize the impact that drugs will have on their life?


and the argument was never about whether it is a victimless crime or not. it was about whether government intervention creates an underground black market and avoiding that by making things legal.

 

[datalink7]

When was the last time buying alcohol contributed to crime organizations?

Proabition? (sp?)

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: Snegbot

Originally posted by: Millenium
Also I helped kidnappers, terrorists get passports etc. That is if you have ever done drugs. You supported terrorism.

Not true if you grow your own.

But seriously, any easily portable form of wealth will be exploited by terrorist organizations. From cocaine in Colombia, diamonds in Angola, or alcohol and the Mafia. If marijuana cost the same as lettuce, or cocaine the same as refined sugar there would be no way for terrorists to profit from it, and it's prohibition that artificially inflates the price of drugs.

heh yup, national geographic had a thing on the blood diamonds. ah yes, women/marriage support much war and terror

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Spendthrift
some drug users are victims just as children in child porn are.

Nonsense.

do you really believe that all drug users are informed adults who make rational decisions to use drugs and can quit anytime they choose?

What does that have to do with anything (being discussed here)? If the government would put 1/10th of the money toward EDUCATION and TREATMENT for those who want it insteads of wasting it on their useless "war", we would have no drug problem.

what about the kids who start using because of peer pressure or because they dont know/realize the impact that drugs will have on their life?

What about them? They are not FORCED into drug use as children are forced into child porn (unless they are forced to do drugs to do child porn).

and the argument was never about whether it is a victimless crime or not. it was about whether government intervention creates an underground black market and avoiding that by making things legal.

No my argument was about the stupidity of comparing the child porn market to the drug use market.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: Utterman

Originally posted by: Millenium
Also I helped kidnappers, terrorists get passports etc. That is if you have ever done drugs. You supported terrorism. I just saw this when I was watching the mole.

Couldn't the same thing be said about buying gas.

Yeah, but there aren't any multi-billion dollar illegal drug industries bribei... er "supporting the campaign of" government officials to support bills that increase the sales of THEIR products

 

[Swanny]

Drugs are bad. Period.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Swanny
Drugs are bad. Period.

Make sure you never use alcohol, tobacco, coffee, tea, soda or aspirin.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

When was the last time buying alcohol contributed to crime organizations?

AmusedOne hit the nail on the head right here. If you answer this question, you'll also answer whther or not we should continue our war on drugs. It's history folks, and we are blindly repeating it.

 

[Spendthrift]

What about them? They are not FORCED into drug use as children are forced into child porn (unless they are forced to do drugs to do child porn).

so as long as children choose to do porn and arent forced to do it, its ok?!? thats seems to be the logical conclusion to your statement.

If the government would put 1/10th of the money toward EDUCATION and TREATMENT for those who want it insteads of wasting it on their useless "war", we would have no drug problem.

wow, thats a pipe dream if ive ever seen one. i dont happen to believe the "war" on drugs is useless. legalization wont help, we dont have fewer alcoholics today because alcohol is legal.

i still think the child porn problem is a valid analogy for the drug problem.
by definition

analogy - Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.

of course its not perfect, but it is similar in some respects.

 

[sandorski]

Simple government buck passing: Create a problem, then blame someone else

 

[jobberd]

so as long as children choose to do porn and arent forced to do it, its ok?!? thats seems to be the logical conclusion to your statement.

They ARE being forced into it, because as a child, they do not know any better and are not mature enough to make their own decisions on this sort of thing. This is why there is an age limit in the first place

wow, thats a pipe dream if ive ever seen one. i dont happen to believe the "war" on drugs is useless. legalization wont help, we dont have fewer alcoholics today because alcohol is legal.

Obviously blind legalization won't help (not much, anyways), just like todays blind illegalization isn't helping. You can believe what you want, but the fact remains that drug usage has not reduced significantly at all ever since the war on drugs was started. Just because ONE option isn't viable does not mean we should stick to our current pathetic one. And no, we don't have fewer alcoholics because of legalization (at least not IMO), but we don't have more either, and instead of funding money into preventing smuggling of beer and all the crime associated with it needlessly during (because you can never cut off supply) we have money going into recovery clinics and information centres where people can learn all the facts about alcohol so they can use it responsibly. Knowledge is the key to avoiding abuse, not scare tactics.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

The friend of a friend that grows his own pot in his basement sure doesn't look anything like Osama.
So, when I buy an Oz off him every once in a while I am contributing to terrorism? Ahhhhh nooOOOO!

Pffffffft.

The only thing your average grower (and stoner) terrorises is the candy aisle at the local 7-11.

People need to stop lumping pot in with herion and the like ffs.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Spendthrift

so as long as children choose to do porn and arent forced to do it, its ok?!? thats seems to be the logical conclusion to your statement.

No it's not. Children are by definition "children" and they do not choose to do porn (until they are no longer children)

wow, thats a pipe dream if ive ever seen one. i dont happen to believe the "war" on drugs is useless. legalization wont help, we dont have fewer alcoholics today because alcohol is legal.

Strangely, it HAS worked in Europe and other "enlightened" countries.

i still think the child porn problem is a valid analogy for the drug problem.
by definition

analogy - Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.

of course its not perfect, but it is similar in some respects.

No, it's as far from perfection as possible. And you have been unable to point out any reasonable similarities.

 

[Nefrodite]

whats with all the child porn. its not as if you can casually use child porn

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nefrodite
whats with all the child porn. its not as if you can casually use child porn

No idea . . . I didn't come up with this crappy "analogy".

 

[CrazyRyan]

Just say no = Hail Hitler or something like that

 

[monotony]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
The friend of a friend that grows his own pot in his basement sure doesn't look anything like Osama.
So, when I buy an Oz off him every once in a while I am contributing to terrorism? Ahhhhh nooOOOO!

Pffffffft.

The only thing your average grower (and stoner) terrorises is the candy aisle at the local 7-11.

People need to stop lumping pot in with herion and the like ffs.

You are dead on FBR. Weed has no business being lumped in with those other "drugs." Drinking alcohol is worse for you than smoking weed. Cigarettes are WAY, WAY more addictive than weed, and buying a half from your local grower doesn't exactly fund terrorism. Can someone explain to me the harm of weed? And PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't give me "It leads to other drugs..." because that is absolute BS. If weed leads to other drugs, so does alcohol, so lets ban that as well.