I honestly don't care for Apple Products

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IronWing

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its the stigma
like jordache jeans back in school
or roos w.the zipper
but on full blast
i had trax and wrangler
i was ostracized
and those same adults are rockin iphones and the apple stuff now
i always been quasi punk/anti
i resent it bc im told to like it and i dont like that

I thought I wanted
to know you better
But you lacked the look
that was all together
so
nevermind
 

SP33Demon

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It's like a Michael Bay film. It just won't die.

No it won't, to the chagrin of apple fanboys everywhere.

One thing I will say is that Motorola is starting to do this shit with their Droids. The new Droid Turbo is sweet, but it's lacking more than 32GB unless you want to pay more for the 64GB one. So you only get 32 or 64 (only on one model to boot), that sounds awfully... apple-ish. Additionally, they took away the mini-HDMI jack (from the last model, Razor Maxx) in favor of Casting which has slower performance than hardware - not a huge deal but we're still getting less value and paying more.

Apple is a scourge whose get rich quick business model is now infecting other companies. Ugh
 

SP33Demon

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Battery life on Apple Ipad is better than most Android devices. I left my iPad unused for a week and it still maintained at least 80% battery. I left my Amazon Kindle Fire HD unused for a week and the battery is drained. The only other product that I know can last that long is Nintendo DS or 3DS. Don't know about Samsung or Google Nexus devices.

I can tell you that the Droid Turbo kills the iphone 6 in battery life.
And what about the slim and elegant iPhone 6? Well, it comes up way short. It scores the disappointing 5 hours and 22 minutes on our battery life test, almost exactly... half the Droid Turbo's result. Under heavy use, you might be unpleasantly surprised by an iPhone 6 battery that has died before the end of the work day.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-DROID-Turbo-vs-Apple-iPhone-6_id3839/page/4

Never used a kindle fire nor ipad so can't comment on that.
 

ImpulsE69

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Recently Google has come out and said they are trying to get away from SD cards due to security and ease of use which is a huge slap in the face to anyone with a brain. I was really interested in the new Moto X but no removable battery? No SD Card slot? No sale. Went with LG G3 instead.

I have an Iphone 6 through work, honestly, not a fan, but it's not horrible. I prefer to be able to play around with stuff, but I can see where the facebook me/me/me social media crowds would like it.
 

SP33Demon

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One day you will grow up and realize that rooting your phone is not cool, and only voids your warranty and greatly reduces reliability and security.

Maybe, but what about wireless charging? A lot more convenient to put any droid on a Qi pad than having to plug shit in every time. Apple is falling further behind the tech curve.
 

SP33Demon

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Recently Google has come out and said they are trying to get away from SD cards due to security and ease of use which is a huge slap in the face to anyone with a brain. I was really interested in the new Moto X but no removable battery? No SD Card slot? No sale. Went with LG G3 instead.

I have an Iphone 6 through work, honestly, not a fan, but it's not horrible. I prefer to be able to play around with stuff, but I can see where the facebook me/me/me social media crowds would like it.

Yeah the SD card thing is a brain scratcher... they'd be saving money by making their users upgrade the memory (if they need it) instead of giving everyone a static amount out of the box (like Apple). All I can think of is that it's to adopt Apple's 1000% price markup on the extra memory. ugh
 

ultimatebob

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Jul 1, 2001
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5. No support for Near Field Communication

6. No support for miracast. With the Android I can connect it to my Roku3.

The iPhone 6 has NFC support, kinda. What's sad is that Apple Pay already has more support than Google Wallet ever had, even though Google's NFC payment offering has been around for about two years now. It must be nice to have that kind of clout with the banking industry.
 

WelshBloke

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Jan 12, 2005
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It does all of those things except, perhaps, reducing reliability.
http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/your-warranty-is-not-void-xda-tv/

If your phone has a hardware problem that has nothing to do with you getting root it would be interesting to see what grounds they would use to refuse a warranty.

Just having root doesn't make it more insecure, you can do a bunch of stuff that will make it insecure after you have root access but that's a different issue.
 

purbeast0

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Sep 13, 2001
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i honestly think the op should honestly make another thread to let us know what other products he honestly doesn't care about honestly.
 

ControlD

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One day you will grow up and realize that rooting your phone is not cool, and only voids your warranty and greatly reduces reliability and security.

While I'm not sure I would root a brand new phone, having the ability the root an older device that is no longer receiving much attention from the manufacturer is a good thing. I am still using a Note 2, and being able to add most of the features that the Note 3 and 4 have has been nice. I also have no worries about being able to run Lollipop on my device (although I imagine Verizon will release the L ROM sometime in the next year).

Not having to blow a wad of cash and sign a new contact for continued upgrades seems grown up enough to me.
 

olds

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Mar 3, 2000
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i honestly think the op should honestly make another thread to let us know what other products he honestly doesn't care about honestly.
If he's like me (I agree with him on Apple products) the list will include:
VW
Fiat
Audi
Jensen
 

vi edit

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I can tell you that the Droid Turbo kills the iphone 6 in battery life.

That's like saying a Supercharged Corvette crushes an 4 cylinder Accord on the quarter mile. Of course it does. It's got the single largest battery to ever be crammed into a cell phone.

I own a Droid turbo. Yes the battery life is good. But it's not without flaws. It's a brick. The camera has a HORRIBLE delay in shutter and unless you hold it still for an extra second or so you'll blur every shot you take. And it's still an Android device and prone to android problems. I had some sort of wake lock on mine that would torch my battery life. I'd lose close to 10% an hour with google play services taking up close to 60% of the battery consumption. Tried force closing a bunch of apps. No good. Finally fixed it with a restart of the phone. I've owned three different android devices and every one of them just did flaky stuff..widgets stop populating. Or chrome would never open a web page. Or it would randomly stop sending multimedia text messages. Group texting would go wonky. Dialer screen wouldn't pull up the number pad without hitting the button for it 3 or 4 times. And so on.

Apple has gotten worse, but it's still better than that. I don't think my wife has had to reset her iphone 5s in close to 8 months. They've stumbled a bit with iOS8 and the bugs in that but Android is still a less polished and more buggy experience.

And I do agree that Qi charging is awesome...but I'm doing it with the Nokia charger that I got with a Nokia Lumia Windows phone from over 2 years ago
 

KeithTalent

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I've always liked their hardware (aesthetically at least), but I fucking hate their software with a passion.

KT
 

ControlD

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I've always liked their hardware (aesthetically at least), but I fucking hate their software with a passion.

KT

Pretty much the same here. I went all in on Apple for a bit (Macbook Pro, iPhone, iPad) and I ended up giving all of it way. Well, I sold the phone but gifted the others to family members. I like Apple hardware just fine and I don't blame people for liking and using it. At the same time I found that other (and always cheaper) products were a better fit for me. If I never needed to use OSX again that would be just fine with me. Unfortunately my wife uses an Air so I still have to deal with it from time to time.
 

SlitheryDee

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1. Extortionately expensive, and no justification for the price. Apple claims their products are higher quality. I don't see the big deal.

This doesn't make sense to me. The iphone 6 is a flagship phone. It's priced about the same as android flagship phones. Their previous flagship phones remain in the lineup as "budget" options. So they really aren't any more expensive than the phones they are meant to compete against. I suppose you could fault them for not making a current generation budget option, but apple has never done that.

2. The Nerd factor with Apple products are quite low. The interface seems very "Fisher-Price" like. My wife's Android is awesome. I was able to flash the firmware, put on some funky version of Android OS and get the phone rooted. The android OS is very flexible, you can enable developer options and play with all kind of settings.
This is a personal preference thing. My brother got an LG G3 for christmas. naturally he's a big android fan all of the sudden (You should note that as flagship phone, the LG G3 is at least as expensive as an iphone 6). Anyway, he was telling me about how his phone was better than mine because of how customizable it was. All I said was "Oh really? Well what have you done to it to customize it then"? He said he had changed the background and lock screen. :\

That's the case with a lot of the customization options in android. The default android skin works so well and looks so good these days that few people would change it significantly. Installing a custom ROM is just as likely to introduce new problems as it is to improve your experience, and it probably voids your warranty in some cases anyway. Apple just went the route of providing something that would work well, and then making sure you can't mess it up. People like to say "They're taking away our FREEDOM man"!, but really you're just as free to jailbreak your iphone and do all sorts of funky shit with it too, a process that is probably easier than installing a custom ROM on an android phone anyway. So what if apple frowns upon jailbreaking. They're just trying to protect their reputation as a company that offers products that work without breeding malware or glitching out on you, something that jailbreaking tends to undermine. This mentality is why apple's shit mostly can be relied on to do what it's supposed to do.

3. No SD card slot on devices. My suspicion is they use physical size as a selling point. So it's not like you get get the most basic ipod/iphone and just put in a 64gb micro sd card. You can with Android devices.
This I agree with you on. Although I suppose an argument can be made for apple not allowing sd cards because they might be used to load unapproved software onto a phone, I really think it's mostly so they can charge exorbitant prices for every successive level of storage space. A lot of the android manufacturers have begun following this practice as well though, so it may not be a difference android fans can point to for very long.

4. My understanding is Apple has to approve apps for Iphone/Ipod, whereas Android has unrestricted.

Once you understand that apple really is concerned about everything in their ecosystem working well together this makes more sense. It's why apps for the the various iproducts will often exhibit more polish than their android equivalents. It's why apps with malware are a rarity in the app store. It's why I can often download an app on my nexus 7 2013, have it not do what it's supposed to do, then download the same app on my iphone or ipad and watch it work perfectly. Curating the app store like this is harder, not easier. I'm sure apple would rather not have to do it, but they want their shit to work, and they want to make sure they're getting their cut of all the in-app purchases (don't think I forgot that little aspect).
 
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purbeast0

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Once you understand that apple really is concerned about everything in their ecosystem working well together this makes more sense. It's why apps for the the various iproducts will often exhibit more polish than their android equivalents. It's why apps with malware are a rarity in the app store. It's why I can often download an app on my nexus 7 2013, have it not do what it's supposed to do, then download the same app on my iphone or ipad and watch it work perfectly. Curating the app store like this is harder, not easier. I'm sure apple would rather not have to do it, but they want their shit to work, and they want to make sure they're getting their cut of all the in-app purchases (don't think I forgot that little aspect).

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DesiPower

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As I mentioned before, I never even though about looking Apple way just because of the cost factor. But I know a couple of semi-tech savvy people who when all Apply, phones, tablets, ipods, and Apple TV, PC, mac and some type of router? And when they demoed what they did to their home media sharing network, it was pretty impressive... But the the price tag, I cant even think of it.
 

ultimatebob

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Absolutely.

I still hold a grudge against Audi.

One of their A4's almost killed me with a stuck accelerator issue, and their customer service tried to blame the problem on incorrectly installed floor mats when I complained about getting stuck with the repair bill for the problem. It was only 400 miles out of warranty at the time!

Mind you that was After the dealer fixed the issue. Bastards.
 

vi edit

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As I mentioned before, I never even though about looking Apple way just because of the cost factor. But I know a couple of semi-tech savvy people who when all Apply, phones, tablets, ipods, and Apple TV, PC, mac and some type of router? And when they demoed what they did to their home media sharing network, it was pretty impressive... But the the price tag, I cant even think of it.

Eh...

Apple TV = $90
Airport express = $90
iPad Air 32gb = $329 (at Microcenter last week)
Phones...not really any different than most other flagship phones plus they resale for 2x what an Android device does. You can almost always recover your upgrade cost by selling your old one if you aren't a bumbling fool keeping your devices in good shape.

My Macbook air was under $1000 when I bought it almost 4 years ago. And it still looks like new, runs almost as fast as the day I bought it, and has been absolutely problem free. It's got the best track pad of any laptop I've ever used and it's sleep/resume is flawless. Something that in 20+ years of mobile computing Microsoft still hasn't figured out how to do well..

$1500. Meh. $1700 if you throw in a $200 phone subsidy. Not bad for a houseful of tech stuff.

It's not like you have to go broke with apple products. Sure you can ape shit bananas spec'ing out a $3000 Macbook pro, but that doesn't mean you have to. I've been nothing but pleased with my Macbook Air.
 

steppinthrax

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This doesn't make sense to me. The iphone 6 is a flagship phone. It's priced about the same as android flagship phones. Their previous flagship phones remain in the lineup as "budget" options. So they really aren't any more expensive than the phones they are meant to compete against. I suppose you could fault them for not making a current generation budget option, but apple has never done that.

This is a personal preference thing. My brother got an LG G3 for christmas. naturally he's a big android fan all of the sudden (You should note that as flagship phone, the LG G3 is at least as expensive as an iphone 6). Anyway, he was telling me about how his phone was better than mine because of how customizable it was. All I said was "Oh really? Well what have you done to it to customize it then"? He said he had changed the background and lock screen. :\

That's the case with a lot of the customization options in android. The default android skin works so well and looks so good these days that few people would change it significantly. Installing a custom ROM is just as likely to introduce new problems as it is to improve your experience, and it probably voids your warranty in some cases anyway. Apple just went the route of providing something that would work well, and then making sure you can't mess it up. People like to say "They're taking away our FREEDOM man"!, but really you're just as free to jailbreak your iphone and do all sorts of funky shit with it too, a process that is probably easier than installing a custom ROM on an android phone anyway. So what if apple frowns upon jailbreaking. They're just trying to protect their reputation as a company that offers products that work without breeding malware or glitching out on you, something that jailbreaking tends to undermine. This mentality is why apple's shit mostly can be relied on to do what it's supposed to do.

This I agree with you on. Although I suppose an argument can be made for apple not allowing sd cards because they might be used to load unapproved software onto a phone, I really think it's mostly so they can charge exorbitant prices for every successive level of storage space. A lot of the android manufacturers have begun following this practice as well though, so it may not be a difference android fans can point to for very long.



Once you understand that apple really is concerned about everything in their ecosystem working well together this makes more sense. It's why apps for the the various iproducts will often exhibit more polish than their android equivalents. It's why apps with malware are a rarity in the app store. It's why I can often download an app on my nexus 7 2013, have it not do what it's supposed to do, then download the same app on my iphone or ipad and watch it work perfectly. Curating the app store like this is harder, not easier. I'm sure apple would rather not have to do it, but they want their shit to work, and they want to make sure they're getting their cut of all the in-app purchases (don't think I forgot that little aspect).

I will note on a few points. First, many people don't want a flagship phone. Many simply want a smart phone with some functionality so they can get on the web and do some basic chatting. They don't want to spend 400-500 on that. You have a large "price" variety in that situation. There are Android based phones out there for 70 bucks (no contract). In terms of getting a older gen Iphone. Apple tries to push their new products. Example, when the new ipods come out you can no longer find the older gen in the store anymore.

Second, If your brother just got the phone this Christmas, he hasn't had it long enough . When you root a Android you can always unroot it, for warranty purposes. In addition you can do a lot more than change the bg color. Example, I was able to remove unnecessary apps with a rooted android, install CVM, partition a sd to add ram/memory and overclocking.
 
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