I can't wait for this to be resolved once and for all! I'm sure it will happen this time.
So you are saying that the world will end in the next few days?
If he's like me (I agree with him on Apple products) the list will include:
VW
Fiat
Audi
Jensen
Poor people problems, I say.
I will note on a few points. First, many people don't want a flagship phone. Many simply want a smart phone with some functionality so they can get on the web and do some basic chatting. They don't want to spend 400-500 on that. You have a large "price" variety in that situation. There are Android based phones out there for 70 bucks (no contract). In terms of getting a older gen Iphone. Apple tries to push their new products. Example, when the new ipods come out you can no longer find the older gen in the store anymore.
Second, If your brother just got the phone this Christmas, he hasn't had it long enough . When you root a Android you can always unroot it, for warranty purposes. In addition you can do a lot more than change the bg color. Example, I was able to remove unnecessary apps with a rooted android, install CVM, partition a sd to add ram/memory and overclocking.
I will give you this; if you're looking for $70 unsubsidized phones, you will probably do better with Android than with Apple. Ditto with tablets. Current or previous generation though, I think the premium for apple is not that much.
i forget that you have a communications truck following you 24/7 and that you get access to phone calls and the internet with a secure handset through a wireless vpn connected to the comm truck which in turn connects to your private satellite which has undetected access to commercial networks....
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Battery life on Apple Ipad is better than most Android devices. I left my iPad unused for a week and it still maintained at least 80% battery. I left my Amazon Kindle Fire HD unused for a week and the battery is drained. The only other product that I know can last that long is Nintendo DS or 3DS. Don't know about Samsung or Google Nexus devices.
One day you will grow up and realize that rooting your phone is not cool, and only voids your warranty and greatly reduces reliability and security.
I don't see the point of jailbreaking either. I'm just not sold.
That's like saying a Supercharged Corvette crushes an 4 cylinder Accord on the quarter mile. Of course it does. It's got the single largest battery to ever be crammed into a cell phone.
I own a Droid turbo. Yes the battery life is good. But it's not without flaws. It's a brick. The camera has a HORRIBLE delay in shutter and unless you hold it still for an extra second or so you'll blur every shot you take. And it's still an Android device and prone to android problems. I had some sort of wake lock on mine that would torch my battery life. I'd lose close to 10% an hour with google play services taking up close to 60% of the battery consumption. Tried force closing a bunch of apps. No good. Finally fixed it with a restart of the phone. I've owned three different android devices and every one of them just did flaky stuff..widgets stop populating. Or chrome would never open a web page. Or it would randomly stop sending multimedia text messages. Group texting would go wonky. Dialer screen wouldn't pull up the number pad without hitting the button for it 3 or 4 times. And so on.
Apple has gotten worse, but it's still better than that. I don't think my wife has had to reset her iphone 5s in close to 8 months. They've stumbled a bit with iOS8 and the bugs in that but Android is still a less polished and more buggy experience.
And I do agree that Qi charging is awesome...but I'm doing it with the Nokia charger that I got with a Nokia Lumia Windows phone from over 2 years ago
The good points about the iphone 6 is that its dual core cpu does benchmark as slightly faster than Turbo's quadcore cpu, the call quality is clearer, and the camera takes better indoor (but not outdoor) photos. That still doesn't justify the higher price though.
Example, I was able to remove unnecessary apps with a rooted android, install CVM, partition a sd to add ram/memory and overclocking.
I will note on a few points. First, many people don't want a flagship phone. Many simply want a smart phone with some functionality so they can get on the web and do some basic chatting. They don't want to spend 400-500 on that. You have a large "price" variety in that situation. There are Android based phones out there for 70 bucks (no contract). In terms of getting a older gen Iphone. Apple tries to push their new products. Example, when the new ipods come out you can no longer find the older gen in the store anymore.
Second, If your brother just got the phone this Christmas, he hasn't had it long enough . When you root a Android you can always unroot it, for warranty purposes. In addition you can do a lot more than change the bg color. Example, I was able to remove unnecessary apps with a rooted android, install CVM, partition a sd to add ram/memory and overclocking.
Except the "supercharged Corvette" is supposed to be the iphone 6 in this scenario if you're going off cost - the iphone 6 is 17.5% more $$$ than the Droid Turbo ($764 vs $650 by latest amazon prices). So why is Turbo crushing the iphone 6 with over double the battery life but 17.5% cheaper? Why are iphone users paying 17.5% more and still can't wirelessly Qi charge? And this is aside from Turbo's superior display.
So you named several ways in which it's better, but that still isn't good enough for some reason.
Because a phone that is 17.5% more shouldn't have half the battery life. Battery life is a huge requirement for most buyers.
Because a phone that is 17.5% more shouldn't have half the battery life. Battery life is a huge requirement for most buyers.
Yeah, and that's why iPhone has been so popular. It has historically been the battery life king. When Nexus devices were gasping for life after 4 hours of use an iPhone was still happily coasting along at 75% remaining.
Apple did take a step back this generation in both the iPhone and iPad. In their quest for thin devices they did it at the cost of battery size. I do think that most people would have gladly traded another MM or two in size a tiny bit more weight to get an extra 2-4 hours of life out of their phone.
That said, it's still respectable in comparison to the rest of the flagship non-phablet phones to which it should be compared against. Software optimization will help in standby and some basic functions but any power hungry things like gaming and video streaming are going to eat it in a hurry.
I think this is one area where android has just gone nuts. I mean come on, who needs 4 days of battery life on their phone? I don't want my phone to be 8mm thick and weigh over 200 grams and I am perfectly capable of plugging my phone into one of the 99 chargers I have around my apartment, house, or car.while i am no "phone power user" i've never once had an issue with battery life in any iphone i've used. i've had my ip6 last more than 2 days (had to charge on 3rd day) with my normal use of it just this past weekend actually.
and i specifically remember that because i had more days off than normal and just told myself "eh ill charge it tomorrow" but i didn't need to. i usually just plug it in at night before i go to bed, and just didn't do it 2 nights in a row because i could just do it the following day since i wasn't going anywhere.
even if "battery life is a huge requirement" as he mentioned ... just because one phone has 3 days of battery life, and the other one has 2.5 days of battery life ... doesn't make the 2.5 days of battery life bad. that is the problem with people, they think just because one is better than the other that it automatically means the other one sucks. they can both be good, with one being better.
(and yes i pulled those 3 and 2.5 days out of my ass, but it gets the point across)
Your being way too diplomatic SlitheryDee! The bottom line it seems is if you can't afford the IPhone then you log on to ATOT and start a thread entitled -- I honestly don't care for Apple Products......kaching$$$$Quote:
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I will note on a few points. First, many people don't want a flagship phone. Many simply want a smart phone with some functionality so they can get on the web and do some basic chatting. They don't want to spend 400-500 on that. You have a large "price" variety in that situation. There are Android based phones out there for 70 bucks (no contract). In terms of getting a older gen Iphone. Apple tries to push their new products. Example, when the new ipods come out you can no longer find the older gen in the store anymore.
That's all well and good, but it's no reason to not like apple. You wanted a cheaper phone, you got a cheaper phone. Don't try to pretend that you got a phone that is as good or better than an iphone 6 though. You're making concessions with that $70 android phone, which is fine and to be expected. Some people want a better phone, and they'll either get a flagship android or iphone 6 (which I think are pretty much at parity as far as quality these days). Kudos to android manufacturers for offering cheaper options, but getting less product for less money isn't exactly revolutionary either.
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Second, If your brother just got the phone this Christmas, he hasn't had it long enough . When you root a Android you can always unroot it, for warranty purposes. In addition you can do a lot more than change the bg color. Example, I was able to remove unnecessary apps with a rooted android, install CVM, partition a sd to add ram/memory and overclocking.
Same stuff applies to jailbreaking an iphone. If you want to undo a jailbreak all you have to do is restore it to factory settings through itunes and then restore your latest backup. A plus with iphones (on verizon at least) is that all the bloatware apps I noticed on my past android phones are absent. Apparently apple doesn't allow any of that nonsense, so a jailbreak isn't necessary to get rid of them. A lot of the stuff that I would have rooted an android phone to fix just doesn't need fixing in an iphone anyway. What I would be concerned about with both types of phones is bricking them in the process of doing something outside the warranty or having it fail irreversibly while in a modded state. If you can't undo what you did, and anyone checks before replacing your phone, you're kind of hosed in the warranty replacement department. The "safest" way to go is to use your phone in it's stock configuration, and iOS is a better experience in that state, at least IMO.
So my I got my wife a LG volt Android based phone. My daughter has an Ipod (5th). This is not the first time I've bought Apple, but this will likely be my last time.
1. Extortionately expensive, and no justification for the price. Apple claims their products are higher quality. I don't see the big deal.
Really? I mean aren't all smartphones (Samsung, LG, Apple) all around $500-800 retail price? You can't compare subsidized prices as those largely vary depending on the contract you sign up for.
2. The Nerd factor with Apple products are quite low. The interface seems very "Fisher-Price" like. My wife's Android is awesome. I was able to flash the firmware, put on some funky version of Android OS and get the phone rooted. The android OS is very flexible, you can enable developer options and play with all kind of settings.
Sorry, not everyone wants to be like you and flash/root/unlock shit just so you can mess with 1,000 different settings that probably don't add anything to the phone. I'll take a clean interface with functionality that works.
3. No SD card slot on devices. My suspicion is they use physical size as a selling point. So it's not like you get get the most basic ipod/iphone and just put in a 64gb micro sd card. You can with Android devices.
No real comment on this one.
4. My understanding is Apple has to approve apps for Iphone/Ipod, whereas Android has unrestricted.
And this means less or no malware/viruses on iOS, cleaner interface, apps that are uniform. I had an android phone a few years ago, the app downloads for that were hit or miss. The icons were all different shaped and lots of apps just crashed. Just very unpolished.
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lmfao!!!!
Think, back in the day when you had a huge car phone in a carry bag that was integrated into your car (they thought they were balling).
So you named several ways in which it's better, but that still isn't good enough for some reason.