I honestly don't care for Apple Products

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blankslate

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When people in 20 years look back at the technology we're currently, using I'm sure they will also laugh at us.

Perhaps they will with their nano implants that connect them seamlessly to a large neural networked AI... that is until a scheming seductress activates a backdoor and turns everyone with nano implants into a zombie drone.

Then everyone who declined nano implants can run in horror as relentless drones chase them down and turn them into unthinking beings as well.

hmmm... I should sell that story line to Star Trek?


.....
 

SP33Demon

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while i am no "phone power user" i've never once had an issue with battery life in any iphone i've used. i've had my ip6 last more than 2 days (had to charge on 3rd day) with my normal use of it just this past weekend actually.

and i specifically remember that because i had more days off than normal and just told myself "eh ill charge it tomorrow" but i didn't need to. i usually just plug it in at night before i go to bed, and just didn't do it 2 nights in a row because i could just do it the following day since i wasn't going anywhere.

even if "battery life is a huge requirement" as he mentioned ... just because one phone has 3 days of battery life, and the other one has 2.5 days of battery life ... doesn't make the 2.5 days of battery life bad. that is the problem with people, they think just because one is better than the other that it automatically means the other one sucks. they can both be good, with one being better.

(and yes i pulled those 3 and 2.5 days out of my ass, but it gets the point across)

I'll give you a real world example. My SO uses her ip5 a lot and is always charging it. Whether we're in the car or at my house, it's always attached to a cord because the battery sucks. She's had it for over a year and is what I'd call a active user as she texts and calls people a lot (big social butterfly type). For whatever reason, her phone is always dead. If we go out, she asks the bar or restaurant to charge it. If we're at friends or family or yes, even a party, she is looking for an outlet. It fucking drives me up a wall. She is always asking me how much juice I have left, and it's almost always over half. For example, we used gps google maps on my Turbo to get us to a vacation spot (3 hour drive) over the break. My phone still had 60% battery when we got there, hers was dead (she forgot her car charger of course). We were both at close to full when we left. So not sure how you explain that. She said she's looking into switching to my phone because the battery life is so irritating.

Anecdotal story I know, but the best real world example I can give on how shitty the iphone battery is. Maybe she uses it more than the average user during the day? But she's mainly just texting or on facebook and it can't even hold a charge by bedtime. That's not acceptable to me, a phone shouldn't be on a goddam cord every time it's not being held. As you can tell, it's very annoying when your SO is borrowing your phone to make calls and text their family/friends because theirs is dead and we're in a car.
 
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Sooon

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I'll give you a real world example. My SO uses her ip5 a lot and is always charging it. Whether we're in the car or at my house, it's always attached to a cord because the battery sucks. She's had it for over a year and is what I'd call a active user as she texts and calls people a lot (big social butterfly type). For whatever reason, her phone is always dead. If we go out, she asks the bar or restaurant to charge it. If we're at friends or family or yes, even a party, she is looking for an outlet. It fucking drives me up a wall. She is always asking me how much juice I have left, and it's almost always over half. For example, we used gps google maps on my Turbo to get us to a vacation spot (3 hour drive) over the break. My phone still had 60% battery when we got there, hers was dead (she forgot her car charger of course). We were both at close to full when we left. So not sure how you explain that. She said she's looking into switching to my phone because the battery life is so irritating.

Anecdotal story I know, but the best real world example I can give on how shitty the iphone battery is. Maybe she uses it more than the average user during the day? But she's mainly just texting or on facebook and it can't even hold a charge by bedtime. That's not acceptable to me, a phone shouldn't be on a goddam cord every time it's not being held. As you can tell, it's very annoying when your SO is borrowing your phone to make calls and text their family/friends because theirs is dead and we're in a car.

If you want to talk about anecdotal stories, my cousin's Galaxy Nexus was getting 45 minutes of battery life, no joke. He always carried a huge portable battery pack/charger with him. Another cousin had a Galaxy S2 and she had to carry 2 or 3 spare batteries with her.
 
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natto fire

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I guess threads like this are necessary to pretend like this is an active forum. It does illicit the emotional response, but it is thrice reheated corn beef hash.
 

purbeast0

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I'll give you a real world example. My SO uses her ip5 a lot and is always charging it. Whether we're in the car or at my house, it's always attached to a cord because the battery sucks. She's had it for over a year and is what I'd call a active user as she texts and calls people a lot (big social butterfly type). For whatever reason, her phone is always dead. If we go out, she asks the bar or restaurant to charge it. If we're at friends or family or yes, even a party, she is looking for an outlet. It fucking drives me up a wall. She is always asking me how much juice I have left, and it's almost always over half. For example, we used gps google maps on my Turbo to get us to a vacation spot (3 hour drive) over the break. My phone still had 60% battery when we got there, hers was dead (she forgot her car charger of course). We were both at close to full when we left. So not sure how you explain that. She said she's looking into switching to my phone because the battery life is so irritating.

Anecdotal story I know, but the best real world example I can give on how shitty the iphone battery is. Maybe she uses it more than the average user during the day? But she's mainly just texting or on facebook and it can't even hold a charge by bedtime. That's not acceptable to me, a phone shouldn't be on a goddam cord every time it's not being held. As you can tell, it's very annoying when your SO is borrowing your phone to make calls and text their family/friends because theirs is dead and we're in a car.

sounds like your SO has a dud. my wife used her ip5 (not s, original ip5) all day all the time and she would only charge it once a day if that. i did replace her battery though for like $12 from a kit i got off ebay, because her battery flat out died.

pretty much everyone in my family (in laws included) have iphones except 3 people, and none of them have issues with batteries. my bro in law always brings his android charger over here though (and always ends up leaving it) because his battery is always dying. he has the galaxy s5.
 

Ns1

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I'll give you a real world example. My SO uses her ip5 a lot and is always charging it. Whether we're in the car or at my house, it's always attached to a cord because the battery sucks. She's had it for over a year and is what I'd call a active user as she texts and calls people a lot (big social butterfly type). For whatever reason, her phone is always dead. If we go out, she asks the bar or restaurant to charge it. If we're at friends or family or yes, even a party, she is looking for an outlet. It fucking drives me up a wall. She is always asking me how much juice I have left, and it's almost always over half. For example, we used gps google maps on my Turbo to get us to a vacation spot (3 hour drive) over the break. My phone still had 60% battery when we got there, hers was dead (she forgot her car charger of course). We were both at close to full when we left. So not sure how you explain that. She said she's looking into switching to my phone because the battery life is so irritating.

Anecdotal story I know, but the best real world example I can give on how shitty the iphone battery is. Maybe she uses it more than the average user during the day? But she's mainly just texting or on facebook and it can't even hold a charge by bedtime. That's not acceptable to me, a phone shouldn't be on a goddam cord every time it's not being held. As you can tell, it's very annoying when your SO is borrowing your phone to make calls and text their family/friends because theirs is dead and we're in a car.

the problem is your sister, not the phone. I'll explain it to you - she was on her phone the entire 3 hour drive.

How do I know these facts? You also described my wife's iPhone. If you get her an android phone, be prepared to give her 3 spare batteries.
 

ControlD

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I guess threads like this are necessary to pretend like this is an active forum. It does illicit the emotional response, but it is thrice reheated corn beef hash.

It's the modern religion. I expect a full out iOS vs. Android war at some point in the future will be the true end of humanity as we know it.
 

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I think this is one area where android has just gone nuts. I mean come on, who needs 4 days of battery life on their phone? I don't want my phone to be 8mm thick and weigh over 200 grams and I am perfectly capable of plugging my phone into one of the 99 chargers I have around my apartment, house, or car.



Apple products are amazing. There has never been a company that provides close to the quality control that Apple provides with it's products. When you buy a device from Apple, if it isn't flawless, you can get another! In fact, apple will usually even allow stupid people to exchange flawless items once or twice.


IDK. I think you'd have to be crazy not to use Apple products today. But that's just me.



I am also a legit apple fanboy since 1998. My dad was buying Apple IIs and 603e/604e old ass PowerPC macs, so I have used macs since I was a baby.


I do not plan on switching anytime soon

No phone manufacturer is claiming 4 days of life. 48 hours is the hyped time for the Droid Turbo and that's stretch under all but the most specific situations. I'm not sure anyone has ever got 48 hours of somewhat meaningful use of it. The Sony Xperia Z3 Compact has one of the highest life ratings of any phone ever produced and it's just a hair past 48 hours under modest use.

The only reason I even have the Turbo is because I work in a brick building with a ton of lead shielding for medical equipment. My cell reception is horrible. About 10% of my day is spent without signal and the radio is boosting the power to try and find one. I had a 1st gen MotoX which I absolutely loved. It just had a tiny battery and some days was down to 25% 4 hours into my day. With the Turbo I can make it a full day and only be down to 50%. If I need a top off I hit it with the turbo charger and get another 4 hours of use in about 15 minutes. They claim 8…but that's a stretch.

There are times when I really appreciate the extra battery life. I made a trip to San Francisco last month that had some *really* long days. I'm talking leaving the hotel at 7:00AM and not getting in until 1:00AM. We were doing Google maps, yelp, pictures, texts, phone, ect. Most days my friends iPhone6 was down to single digits by 10:00PM and had to stop using his phone while I was still chugging along at over 50% while taking a ton of pictures still. It was useful during that trip. Nice not needing to carry a charger or ask for a top off from someone.

I've had weekends where I've taken my phone off a charger at 6:00AM, used it lightly all day, hit a hotel at night, used my phone on the nightstand for a white noise app and woke up at 8:00AM the next day with still 40% left. Can get back home later that day and put it on the charger before going to bed and still have battery life left.

All that said, I'd still gladly take my MotoX over the Turbo again if my cell signal wasn't so terrible where I work. It was the perfect form factor and didn't have the crappy shutter lag that the the Turbo does.
 

Fritzo

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If you want to talk about anecdotal stories, my cousin's Galaxy Nexus was getting 45 minutes of battery life, no joke. He always carried a huge portable battery pack/charger with him. Another cousin had a Galaxy S2 and she had to carry 2 or 3 spare batteries with her.

The Galaxy Nexus has a terrible battery by default. I scored a free extra capacity battery from a store due to an order mixup and it made it tolerable.

The iPhone 5 had a terrible battery as well. The iPhone 6 however is the first iPhone that I really have to look hard to find a fault with. The battery is decent, the screen is decent, the Internet speed is decent...it's a solid phone. I have an HTC M8 myself, and while I love my HTC phones, I respect Apple's latest offering (got 2 for my kids for Christmas ).
 

Ichinisan

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http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/your-warranty-is-not-void-xda-tv/

If your phone has a hardware problem that has nothing to do with you getting root it would be interesting to see what grounds they would use to refuse a warranty.

Just having root doesn't make it more insecure, you can do a bunch of stuff that will make it insecure after you have root access but that's a different issue.
Many phones will flip a KNOX flag of you root them. Goodbye, warrantee. How could an Android fan not know this?

Now you need even more special exploits to avoid tripping KNOX. Those aren't always available.

I believe Motorola had a similar mechanism to Samsung's KNOX.
 

ControlD

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Many phones will flip a KNOX flag if you root them. Goodbye, warrantee.

Now you need even more special exploits to avoid tripping KNOX. Those aren't always available.

I believe Motorola had a similar mechanism to Samsung's KNOX.

I thought I had read that Google was actually hoping to implement KNOX into Android itself. All under of pretense of making Android "business friendly". Sounds like a load of BS to me.
 

lxskllr

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Many phones will flip a KNOX flag of you root them. Goodbye, warrantee.

Everyone says that, but have there been any confirmed cases of a warranty being declined because of rooting?

I did mine without tripping knox because I wanted to make sure everything would work before "voiding the warranty", but if it's worked this long, it should work the rest of it's natural life, so I'm getting ready to flash a custom recovery, and start removing crap from the system. I need to spend more time reading though. All the easy stuff is for Windows, and it's been awhile since I've dealt with the terminal, and adb.
 

HeXen

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I have an Android phone and gaming tablet (JXD 7800). A kindle based on Android (which sucks btw) an iPad 1 and a Macbook Pro.

For me it's about the user experience, from plugging it in to recharge to carrying it around and I really prefer Apple's due to consistency and seamlessness.
I'm kinda meh on the Androids from my experience as the entire user experience being great or terrible really seems to be more based on the product itself and not the OS and there are plenty of junk Android based products out there. iOS and Android are very similar in terms of getting work done and not everyone is keen on how customizable Androids are...cause I've already had to reformat all my Android devices back to factory specs at least once and that includes the Kindle which is THE worst POS for a modern tablet I've ever used right down to where they placed the buttons and the funky angle of the micro USB port.

As an OS i'm not partial to either but Apple's hardware in conjunction with their OS's is just really nice to use, feels nice, looks nice, day in and day out it just works. Androids just depends on how well whatever company designed the hardware and it can vary wildly from model to model..same with Windows laptops too btw. Apple you know what your getting and no need to look up specs. So that's why my preference nods towards Apple and is probably what most Apple users think about it all as I really don't think most Apple users are blind to other hardware any more so than Android/Windows users, they just each have their reasons.
 

TreVader

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No phone manufacturer is claiming 4 days of life. 48 hours is the hyped time for the Droid Turbo and that's stretch under all but the most specific situations. I'm not sure anyone has ever got 48 hours of somewhat meaningful use of it. The Sony Xperia Z3 Compact has one of the highest life ratings of any phone ever produced and it's just a hair past 48 hours under modest use.



The only reason I even have the Turbo is because I work in a brick building with a ton of lead shielding for medical equipment. My cell reception is horrible. About 10% of my day is spent without signal and the radio is boosting the power to try and find one. I had a 1st gen MotoX which I absolutely loved. It just had a tiny battery and some days was down to 25% 4 hours into my day. With the Turbo I can make it a full day and only be down to 50%. If I need a top off I hit it with the turbo charger and get another 4 hours of use in about 15 minutes. They claim 8…but that's a stretch.



There are times when I really appreciate the extra battery life. I made a trip to San Francisco last month that had some *really* long days. I'm talking leaving the hotel at 7:00AM and not getting in until 1:00AM. We were doing Google maps, yelp, pictures, texts, phone, ect. Most days my friends iPhone6 was down to single digits by 10:00PM and had to stop using his phone while I was still chugging along at over 50% while taking a ton of pictures still. It was useful during that trip. Nice not needing to carry a charger or ask for a top off from someone.



I've had weekends where I've taken my phone off a charger at 6:00AM, used it lightly all day, hit a hotel at night, used my phone on the nightstand for a white noise app and woke up at 8:00AM the next day with still 40% left. Can get back home later that day and put it on the charger before going to bed and still have battery life left.



All that said, I'd still gladly take my MotoX over the Turbo again if my cell signal wasn't so terrible where I work. It was the perfect form factor and didn't have the crappy shutter lag that the the Turbo does.


I never considered the idea of use on vacation. Whenever I travel I always have to bring one of those battery packs. It would be nice if it would last a long long time.


I think the 6+ gives true 24hr battery life for even a power user, but shooting video and photos murders your battery so I'm not sure. I also am still using a 5S still so no first hand experience.
 

SP33Demon

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the problem is your sister, not the phone. I'll explain it to you - she was on her phone the entire 3 hour drive.

How do I know these facts? You also described my wife's iPhone. If you get her an android phone, be prepared to give her 3 spare batteries.

I was mistaken, she said tonight that she has the 4, not 5. Not sure if that makes much of a difference though.

You may be right, it's probably her (Significant Other not sister) over-using the dam phone.
 

mmntech

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There's a few things that bother me about Apple. Mostly the increasingly closed nature of their hardware. Everything is perma-soldered and glued down, essentially making them disposable computers. I'm not a fan of the locked down nature of iOS either, which is why I still jailbreak. My fear is that OSX will go that route as well. That's why I want to go with the OnePlus or some other rooted Android phone to replace my ageing 4S. I shouldn't have to hack my device to access the file system or install Flux.

That said, Apple has excellent hardware build quality and you can get quite a bit of longevity out of their products. It's really hard to argue against the iPads being the best tablets on the market. The Air 2 is stupid fast. OS X is also still the preferred OS for creative professionals. I still prefer Final Cut over what's on Windows, even is X was controversial.

Price wise, computers aren't cheap but phones and tablets are comparable to flagship Android and Windows devices. What does piss me off is the outrages prices they want for more storage on mobile. It's a huge scam.
 
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QueBert

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Majcric

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apple is ok. But I've enjoyed my old 3GS more the 5s. iOS 8 still needs work. Apple is slipping to an extent.

Unfortunately for me I dislike there Korean rivals.
 

Fritzo

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There's a few things that bother me about Apple. Mostly the increasingly closed nature of their hardware. Everything is perma-soldered and glued down, essentially making them disposable computers. I'm not a fan of the locked down nature of iOS either, which is why I still jailbreak. My fear is that OSX will go that route as well. That's why I want to go with the OnePlus or some other rooted Android phone to replace my ageing 4S. I shouldn't have to hack my device to access the file system or install Flux.

That said, Apple has excellent hardware build quality and you can get quite a bit of longevity out of their products. It's really hard to argue against the iPads being the best tablets on the market. The Air 2 is stupid fast. OS X is also still the preferred OS for creative professionals. I still prefer Final Cut over what's on Windows, even is X was controversial.

Price wise, computers aren't cheap but phones and tablets are comparable to flagship Android and Windows devices. What does piss me off is the outrages prices they want for more storage on mobile. It's a huge scam.

"Disposable" isn't exactly true. You can still upgrade the RAM and hard drives of their Macbooks, and the batteries are repairable. It's really no different than any of the other unibody products out there. The thinner you make something, the more you have to engineer it, and that means limited access.
 
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