"I just like intel better"

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jspeicher
I'm an AMD fan, but the Intel Pentium 4/ 2.4C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, HTT is only 169.00 right now (reaches for credit card)

And if you bought an AMD Mobile XP for $77 you would'nt need credit


Less than half the price (I assume your overclocking) for the similar performance. Still a poor value that Intel offers. Then can you find a overclcokers dream like the Shuttle AN35N fo $54 in intel world? No, IC7 is starting point @ $90.

131 vs 259

Double the price for similar performance. Are you sure your an AMD fan? Or a victim of the overdog hype?

/running 12x200 on an AN35N

- M4H

Bah that's notin' How about 293.5 FSB on a 2500-M @3GHz with a an35n!!!??! ...

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Bah that's notin' How about 293.5 FSB on a 2500-M @3GHz with a an35n!!!??! ...

:Q

Yeah, but I'm only running an XP1700 @ 2.4GHz

- M4H

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Zebo
Bah that's notin' How about 293.5 FSB on a 2500-M @3GHz with a an35n!!!??! ...

:Q

Yeah, but I'm only running an XP1700 @ 2.4GHz

- M4H

Sweet! Those puppies are/were dream overclcokers many offer 100% OC.:Q

Anyway, Just to be fair, and maybe make a few more enemies, The A64 is an even bigger rip off than the C's.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: CraigRT

Originally posted by: OdiN
Also, an Intel system with an Intel chipset (and going farther an Intel motherboard) will be more stable than an AMD system on any VIA chipset. The NF2 chipset is really the only other choice and it's not without it's troubles and bad implementations.

For a rock solid system, I would recommend an Intel chip, Intel chipset, and Intel board. In fact, this is what I usually sell to businesses because I know that they will work and I don't have to worry about anything. If I have trouble, Intel is there to back me up.

so very wrong.
i couldn't even tell you if my PC was not 100% stable because there are NO unexplained crashes/stability problems EVER. (XP2500+, NF2 board) so how can you say something is more stable? i mean, it depends a lot on other things like memory/motherboard brand/quality, but for the most part.. I have had even BETTER luck with AMD being more stable than Intel (just probably my findings, but it's the truth) I still have an Athlon900 at work on a KT133 board (Asus A7Pro) with the original Win2k install, and it still runs 24/7 used every day without ever a crash or instability. IMO Via chipsets are awesome for Athlons.. never had a problem with any Via chipset I've had! so to go out on a limb and say Intel is more stable is just dumb. that is a 5 years ago argument... it just doesn't work like that anymore IMO!

this isn't to say I haven't had some good luck with Intel systems, just not when I've had them at my own house. my PC at work is a P4 2.4B on an Asus P4B533 rig, with a gig of RAM... this PC runs very stable. it's not as fast as my XP2500, but its very stable indeed. HOWEVER no more stable than my ATHLON or for that matter ANY Athlon system I've had.

Just because your single system is doing just fine doesn't mean that they all are. I can say that Intel is more stable because of my experience. I have been working on computers for like 10 years now and I know what's stable and what isn't. I'm not saying that NO AMD system can be stable, but with Intel I don't have to worry about my business customers having problems. You are right that it does depend on quality of the boards. But I don't think anyone will argue that Intel motherboards (the actual Intel branded ones, not MSI or Abit or whatever) are the most stable desktop boards out there. This isn't really unexpected. They made the CPU, they made the chipset and they made the motherboard...and they all work together very well. I'm glad that you have good experiences with VIA chipsets, but in my experience I have dealt with a lot of issues with VIA boards.

Home users also don't run some of the specialty software or custom programs that some of my business customers do. Sometimes these programs don't work as well on an AMD system because of the CPU/Chipset. I have seen manuals for some of these programs that say not to use a VIA chipset. Now, this is partially bad programming of course but still.

For my uses Intel is a better solution. In my experience I have seen less trouble with Intel based systems. Most people on here know how to pick a good motherboard for an AMD system and will usually not have any issues. But just as an example, at work we use Kingston memory a lot and found out that it does not work very well in the MSI NF2 boards. It will work for a while but randomly decide not to boot and things like this. I've had other issues with other boards such as a VIA KM400 based one that the onboard video wouldn't work right on. It's things like this, spread over a lot of different manufacturers and products that makes Intel a better solution overall. I never said that it was particularly the fault of the AMD processor. Most of it is not the CPU but the chipset or motherboard that the CPU is on. With Intel, I simply don't have to worry about anything. I can put A, B, and C together and know that they will function properly. It is not always this way with Athlon systems. True I still use them to build lower priced systems and since I know what parts they need to work right then they will be good systems. For a while we were using the MSI NF2 boards for a lot of systems and I was probably one of the first people to find their memory problems. I guess inconsistency is AMD's biggest problem. Again, not with the CPU's but with hardware that supports them.


@Markfw900 - I wasn't talking about the heat of the Athlon64, I know they have done a great job on that chip. Also, I wasn't talking about the specific CPU being the problem. The Athlon XP is a great CPU. What supports it isn't the best. Opterons use NF3, VIA or I believe AMD is still putting out chipsets. I may be wrong on that one though. I do not own one, but have worked with one. Yes I found it to be a good system.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: oldfart

Contrast that to the number of sockets and standards that Intel has released for the Pentium 4 since 1999.

That would be a grand total of 2. Socket 423 and 478.

Yeah, Socket 423 didn't last that long.

Socket 478 has lasted from 1.6 GHz to 3.4 GHz. That is a pretty long life

When AMD changes a socket design, it is for new features and no one minds. When Intel changes, it's to "force" users to upgrade. A double standard.

From Anandtech article:

One of the major issues with having multiple generations of processors with different memory controllers is that AMD has to be careful about not allowing CPUs with different memory controllers to fit into the sockets of unsupported motherboard. This means that every new generation of memory controller for AMD will bring a new socket to the market. Intel is able to be a little more agile in this area, as the memory controller is in the chipset.

See, if Intel did the same thing, AMD fans would be screaming about how Intel "forces" you to upgrade. If AMD does it, it is OK.

BTW, new socket designs dont and never have bothered me. New mobos have new features that are worth upgrading to anyway.

It just seems odd to be all the complaints about Intel socket changes, but none when AMD does it. Nether have done it to "screw" anyione, or to "force" an upgrade. Its just the way things go.

A double standard with fanboys? Say it isn't so!

 

[Runner20]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: AndyHui
The system shows about 28 users with Intel in their name.

The system shows about 130 users with AMD in their name.

You tell me which side has more fanboys here.

No, it's just that AMD users aren't ashamed of their processor choice.



- M4H

DUMB statement. Thats exactly what Andy was trying to say and you proved him correct.

AMD has more fanboys.

 

[Jeff7]

You know, I tend to use Colgate more often than Crest.
I like Coca-cola, but I still drink some Pepsi products too.
But when it comes to spraypaint, I just like Krylon.

Anyone else have brand prefernces???

 

[ath50]

Originally posted by: Runner20

DUMB statement. Thats exactly what Andy was trying to say and you proved him correct.

AMD has more fanboys.

I the wink he included meant he was kidding.......

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: AndyHui
The system shows about 28 users with Intel in their name.

The system shows about 130 users with AMD in their name.

You tell me which side has more fanboys here.

Athlon = 26
Pentium = 2

 

[gsellis]

Maybe this needs a poll, how many have named children or pets after a processor or architecture?:

Intel product
AMD product
I am allergic and don't have child/pet
I am not allowed to breed or keep animals
We don't do those things as they are evil
Don't understand question?

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: gsellis
Maybe this needs a poll, how many have named children or pets after a processor or architecture?

:| Hey! Leave my kids (Nocona and Prescott) out of this!

 

[InlineFive]

gsellis nailed me...

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
You know, I tend to use Colgate more often than Crest.
I like Coca-cola, but I still drink some Pepsi products too.
But when it comes to spraypaint, I just like Krylon.

Anyone else have brand prefernces???

I never drink Pepsi, that stuff is like a ho on skank.

 

[gururu]

Lonyo

I can't believe you drink coke. pepsi is cheaper and tastes better with pizza and hot dogs.

you're a total idiot!

just kidding

gururu

 

[SniperWulf]

well if no one else will say it, i will! I like AMD better. Why? becase it's my perogative, no one has to use my system except me. If that makes me a fanboi, so be it. :-D

 

[oldfart]

Let's settle this once and for all. I have PROOF that Intel is better!

Michael's SuperComputers says so!

A few reasons to own the world's finest MX8:

Fastest Processor - Intel's Pentium 4 3400MHz 'E' HT Processor

Sorry AMD...your just not powerful enough!

And there you have it. End of discussion.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: oldfart
Let's settle this once and for all. I have PROOF that Intel is better!

Michael's SuperComputers says so!

A few reasons to own the world's finest MX8:

Fastest Processor - Intel's Pentium 4 3400MHz 'E' HT Processor

Sorry AMD...your just not powerful enough!

And there you have it. End of discussion.

Wow what kind of idiot retailer would alienate people like this? I don't care what you think is a better choice, I would offer all choices to my customers and let them decide. Certainly not offend AMD fans on thier first visit to my store which could loose a otherwise potential customer.

 

[oldfart]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Wow what kind of idiot retailer would alienate people like this? I don't care what you think is a better choice, I would offer all choices to my customers and let them decide. Certainly not offend AMD fans on thier first visit to my store which could loose a otherwise potential customer.

The Legendary Micheal's Computers! THG has an
article and interview. Worth a laugh!

 

[Jeff7181]

I think a lot of these debates could be solved by a little education and common sense (as most disagreements can). People who are "brand loyal" to CPU manufacturers obviously have not done any research, they just read a few lines of a review, or reading PR crap from the manufacturer and then repeat it as absolute fact. If they'd take the time to find out WHY those few lines of the review says this one is better than that one, then they'd be able to decide if they want a CPU that's better in certain tasks and worse in others. If it only performs better is tasks they never perform, what's the point in buying it if it performs worse in the tasks you do perform... or performs equal, but costs 50-100% more money?

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: gururu
Lonyo

I can't believe you drink coke. pepsi is cheaper and tastes better with pizza and hot dogs.

you're a total idiot!

just kidding

gururu

I know it's cheaper, but it's still skank ho'
Plus, I don't have dogs, and coke goes just fine with my pizza

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: oldfart
Let's settle this once and for all. I have PROOF that Intel is better!

Michael's SuperComputers says so!

A few reasons to own the world's finest MX8:

Fastest Processor - Intel's Pentium 4 3400MHz 'E' HT Processor

Sorry AMD...your just not powerful enough!

And there you have it. End of discussion.

Wow what kind of idiot retailer would alienate people like this? I don't care what you think is a better choice, I would offer all choices to my customers and let them decide. Certainly not offend AMD fans on thier first visit to my store which could loose a otherwise potential customer.

Shouldn't it be you're, not your?
He alienated me with his retardedness.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: gururu
Odin is correct about the chipset qualities. problems with amd chipsets are well documented.
Sickbeast, I've not seen any particularly nasty posts from you when giving advice, but just yesterday someone called an "intel fanboy" who was just getting into computer building (does he even qualify as a fanboy yet?) an idiot. Someone else and yourself all agreed that this guy was an idiot. Those are hostile sentiments and it baffles me why this is so. Why shouldn't someone be able to ask for Intel specific advice.

Well, he wasn't asking for Intel-specific advice first of all, he wanted us to basically confirm that he had chosen out the right rig for himself.

Secondly, I never called him an idiot, someone else did. I said that I found his statement overly blunt and I certainly would not have stated it in that manner. The worst I call someone on here is typically a "buffoon". In any event, I sympathised with the frustration of the guy who called him an idiot and agreed with the sentiments of the post. Why bother asking for advice on here if you're simply going to ignore everyone who doesn't agree with you? I suppose I should apologize to the guy for quoting the "idiot" post, he is a newbie and I agree it was inappropriate. That said, I wasn't the one who called him that. I quoted someone and commented on it, that was all.

anyways, I'm kind of feeling like you are a wolf in sheep's clothing. You kind of come off as knowledgeable and wishing to help with your advice, but darn, you really turn on someone simply for preferring Intel. Such decisions really shouldn't bother you.

I didn't turn on anybody for preferring intel. I turned on someone for being ignorant. If anything, it frustrated me that 90% of the people advised him of one thing and he basically ignored us all. On top of that, one or two unnamed intel "fanboys" called the people reccomending AMD "fanboys". I'm sorry, but the person buying intel without considering AMD is the fanboy, case closed. I was considering everything intel and AMD had to offer and reccomended what I thought was best for him. It even would have saved him considerable cash.

In any event, that thread is not the main reason why I posted this thread. There are a plethora of "I just like intel better" threads out there. If they're going to like intel better, fine, but they have no right to insult the people reccomending AMD to them by calling them "fanboys" and such. Nobody called them a fanboy, they simply pointed out an alternate solution to them.

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Just because your single system is doing just fine doesn't mean that they all are. I can say that Intel is more stable because of my experience. I have been working on computers for like 10 years now and I know what's stable and what isn't. I'm not saying that NO AMD system can be stable, but with Intel I don't have to worry about my business customers having problems. You are right that it does depend on quality of the boards. But I don't think anyone will argue that Intel motherboards (the actual Intel branded ones, not MSI or Abit or whatever) are the most stable desktop boards out there. This isn't really unexpected. They made the CPU, they made the chipset and they made the motherboard...and they all work together very well. I'm glad that you have good experiences with VIA chipsets, but in my experience I have dealt with a lot of issues with VIA boards.

Home users also don't run some of the specialty software or custom programs that some of my business customers do. Sometimes these programs don't work as well on an AMD system because of the CPU/Chipset. I have seen manuals for some of these programs that say not to use a VIA chipset. Now, this is partially bad programming of course but still.

For my uses Intel is a better solution. In my experience I have seen less trouble with Intel based systems. Most people on here know how to pick a good motherboard for an AMD system and will usually not have any issues. But just as an example, at work we use Kingston memory a lot and found out that it does not work very well in the MSI NF2 boards. It will work for a while but randomly decide not to boot and things like this. I've had other issues with other boards such as a VIA KM400 based one that the onboard video wouldn't work right on. It's things like this, spread over a lot of different manufacturers and products that makes Intel a better solution overall. I never said that it was particularly the fault of the AMD processor. Most of it is not the CPU but the chipset or motherboard that the CPU is on. With Intel, I simply don't have to worry about anything. I can put A, B, and C together and know that they will function properly. It is not always this way with Athlon systems. True I still use them to build lower priced systems and since I know what parts they need to work right then they will be good systems. For a while we were using the MSI NF2 boards for a lot of systems and I was probably one of the first people to find their memory problems. I guess inconsistency is AMD's biggest problem. Again, not with the CPU's but with hardware that supports them.


@Markfw900 - I wasn't talking about the heat of the Athlon64, I know they have done a great job on that chip. Also, I wasn't talking about the specific CPU being the problem. The Athlon XP is a great CPU. What supports it isn't the best. Opterons use NF3, VIA or I believe AMD is still putting out chipsets. I may be wrong on that one though. I do not own one, but have worked with one. Yes I found it to be a good system.

unstable AMD systems is a misconception. you get what you pay for,the lure of AMD is cheap systems, and with that come cheap, under-engineered motherboards. if you buy a decent motherboards with a decent brand chipset/ram you won't have any problems.

 

[acebake]

Middle for me. They're both good, I've never had an issue with either of them.

 

[Jeff7181]

Just because your single system is doing just fine doesn't mean that they all are.

This goes both ways... just because YOUR Intel CPU and chipset is stable and doesn't have problems doesn't mean they all are stable and don't have problems.