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weflyhigh

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english? i can't understand half of what you spew. please, for the love of your country, just stop breathing...

I just reread my post and I honestly do not see one typo or grammatical error. I didn't even use any big words. Are you in 4th grade?
 

zerocool84

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I am a soldier in the U.S. Army, so I don't know what I am "wannabe"ing.

Umm you said you're in ROTC in the last thread. Someone in the Army in the other thread said you are not in the Army yet so don't say you are in it when you've been proven wrong. You're not in the Army yet so don't claim to be.
 
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some of the responses here are harsh. i read that thread before. who cares? he has a problem with the movie. BIG FVCKING DEAL. DEAL WITH IT. You're all grown men I assume, so if he has an opinion, so what? It's not a worthless opinion. I can see why he feels that way. He views the mercs as US soldiers. Yes there are many similarities, and I'm sure James Cameron wasn't trying to portray them as US Marines.

If he feels the connection so be it.

Some people watched Saving Private Ryan and couldn't bear it because they were Viet vets. What are you gonna tell them? It's a fvcking WW2 movie you idiot? Geez. People feel connections because of different things.

Just like in the damn movie Avatar, the aliens feel a connection with all living things. It's a tree to you, it's something else to them.

@eits: way to spew in your Bush hatred. Look, I'm glad you feel that way and maybe some of your dislike for Bush/Cheney and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan spills into your less than average sympathy for US troops, but that's no way to treat a guy who feels this way about the movie arite? He might not be the brightest kid throwing around his opinion, but so what? If you're convinced he's misaligned, so be it. Let him have his own feelings.
 

SagaLore

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Very good movie, but they needed a new commander for the mercenaries. He kept making so many illogical decisions. Hell, a typical ATOT armchair tactician could do a better job leading them in their campaign to destroy the natives' holy ground.

Also, do the natives really think that it is over? My guess is that the corporation and mercenaries return with neutron bombs.

I agree, there has to be a sequel to this. Maybe they'll prepare by spawning off a technologically advanced tribe that uses the ecosystem's nervous system as a supercomputer.
 

TallBill

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Umm you said you're in ROTC in the last thread. Someone in the Army in the other thread said you are not in the Army yet so don't say you are in it when you've been proven wrong. You're not in the Army yet so don't claim to be.

Yeah, there is a huge difference. If you're in ROTC, you haven't done dick.
 

eits

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I am a soldier in the U.S. Army, so I don't know what I am "wannabe"ing.
The American soldiers did not get their asses kicked by the indigenous people. They "lost" to another American solider that betrayed his country whom led the indigenous people and single-handedly won the battle.
You said "even if it was American soldiers" and then talked about a money-hungry general. That is just a contradiction.
The soldiers were there to get "unobtainium" to (as James Cameron describes it) "SOLVE A WORLDWIDE ENERGY CRISIS ON EARTH". If there was some profit for some organization, who the fuck cares? We aren't a communist society - companies like Boeing/Smith & Wesson or any of the other hundreds of companies with military contracts make money by providing a service. Weren't we just talking about America's foundation? Sounds like it to me.

You just said you are glad a law-abiding and moral person (and Marine) got murdered. You are a(n unpatriotic) fuck.

You are worrying about our country's name being ruined? What about basically kissing a hostile foreign leader's feet? Let's not get this political (for this century), though - we are talking about the movie, after all.


And a note to readers: I mentioned 2 main things that always get ignored in my first post. He ignored both of them. Figures lol.


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masterxfob, you are a brilliant debater! I really do not know how to reply to "who gives a fuck" or "are you a baby that cries at everything on TV".
Maybe I need a history lesson, but I don't remember any resource in Vietnam that was needed to solve a worldwide energy crisis. I also do not remember us simply wanting 100 Vietnam soldiers to relocate? Are you also saying that you found what we did in Vietnam unlawful? You are? So, it would have been ok for an American soldier during Vietnam to get a nuke and drop it on America? What? Why not? I thought it was OK to murder your fellow soldiers to stop an injustice?

first off, you're in rotc, numbnuts. there's a big difference.

a contradiction? what, is that some kind of military humor or something? the douchebag marine was in it for the money. $2 million per kilo of unobtainium and he was signed in on contract as a mercenary. without doing the job, he wouldn't get paid.

i guess you missed the entire message that consumption kept feeding the energy crisis, so they had to keep going from planet to planet looting resources and killing their planets just like they killed earth. earth was no longer a green planet.

yeah, i'm glad the marine in the movie got killed. he was the bad guy. am i ever glad an american marine gets killed? in general, no... however, those marines who went around raping women and massacring people in iraq deserved to die. murder and rape is not an american ideal. stop being such a selective bitch. patriotism does not equate to being ignorant and one-sided... patriotism means doing what is right and standing behind your country to be the best it can be. it has nothing to do with being an ultra-nationalist or fascist, like you are.

also, he was doing what he was ordered to do... but whenever the bulldozers came in and started knocking down trees, they broke their deal with him. after the deal was broken and he was put in harms way, all bets are off. he chose which side to fight for after they let him back in his avatar in order to warn the navi to move and saw them knock over the big tree anyway. he became one of them and decided that their way of life was way more important than his superiors' greed.

you're right, it is just a movie... you made it into something that it wasn't.
 

SagaLore

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first off, you're in rotc, numbnuts. there's a big difference.

So weflyhigh, are you in a military school, civilian college, or military junior college? When do you graduate... how old are you?
 

dwell

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Saw it on New Years Eve. Liked it. Very Jim Cameron, like Titanic meets Aliens. Lots of parallels in characters Selfridge = Burke, Chacon = Vasquez, Quaritch = Sarge.

Also the Aliens kicked the US Marines asses in Aliens too.
 

weflyhigh

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Umm you said you're in ROTC in the last thread. Someone in the Army in the other thread said you are not in the Army yet so don't say you are in it when you've been proven wrong. You're not in the Army yet so don't claim to be.
Yeah, there is a huge difference. If you're in ROTC, you haven't done dick.
first off, you're in rotc, numbnuts. there's a big difference.
So weflyhigh, are you in a military school, civilian college, or military junior college? When do you graduate... how old are you?
For scholarship reasons, I am a member of the U.S. Army Reserves. I am doing the SMP with ROTC at the #1 non-military ROTC university. I am paid as an E-5 (sergeant) for one weekend/month drills and a two-week annual training in the summer. The plan is to have my Reserves contract voided upon graduation and then to continue active duty (my goal is INfantry). No I haven't done "dick", but I am still in the Army and if I violated my contract, I would be dishonorably discharged all the same.
zerocool, I believe another ROTC cadet said that I was not in the Army, not as you describe it as "someone in the army".

a contradiction? what, is that some kind of military humor or something? the douchebag marine was in it for the money. $2 million per kilo of unobtainium and he was signed in on contract as a mercenary. without doing the job, he wouldn't get paid.
You said "assume they WERE American soldiers" which means they were not in it for the money (aka you are wrong). They may have been sanctioned to work for an organization, though, which is not a problem?
i guess you missed the entire message that consumption kept feeding the energy crisis, so they had to keep going from planet to planet looting resources and killing their planets just like they killed earth. earth was no longer a green planet.
No. As James Cameron describes it, the "unobtainium" would solve the energy crisis. He said it was key - which means solution. They also did not say anything about going planet to planet killing them. They were not going to kill Pandora, just extract "unobtainium" from that main spot.
yeah, i'm glad the marine in the movie got killed. he was the bad guy. am i ever glad an american marine gets killed? in general, no... however, those marines who went around raping women and massacring people in iraq deserved to die. murder and rape is not an american ideal. stop being such a selective bitch. patriotism does not equate to being ignorant and one-sided... patriotism means doing what is right and standing behind your country to be the best it can be. it has nothing to do with being an ultra-nationalist or fascist, like you are.
No murder or rape occurred in the movie. Look up justifiable homicide and also keep it in the back of your mind that these were aliens and not humans. Do you think the main character should have been killed? He murdered his fellow soldiers. That was murder - he was not justified under any means. No? Stop being a selective bitch.
also, he was doing what he was ordered to do... but whenever the bulldozers came in and started knocking down trees, they broke their deal with him. after the deal was broken and he was put in harms way, all bets are off. he chose which side to fight for after they let him back in his avatar in order to warn the navi to move and saw them knock over the big tree anyway. he became one of them and decided that their way of life was way more important than his superiors' greed.

you're right, it is just a movie... you made it into something that it wasn't.
He was not put in harms way. He was put into a jail cell like you, as an American soldier, agree to be if you disobey an order. You let JAG or whatever it is figure out the rest. You do not kill people you disagree with.
You are also still ignoring a lot of what I said before (you selective bitch!)

Thanks
 

idiotekniQues

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how do people go through life being so uptight?

this one would do well in the german gestapo or perhaps a chinese propoganda operational group.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
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So you are a thief?

I'm doing my part for the environment.



And...




And if it matters, when I set myself up with a HDTV I'll probably buy the bluray, along with other movies that I've watched on my PC. It's not really because I don't want to pay, it's because it's more convenient. No waiting in line, no crowds, no crying kids etc.
 

smitbret

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Don't take things so personally, weflyhigh. You should know by now that these Democrats are always right.
 

eits

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For scholarship reasons, I am a member of the U.S. Army Reserves. I am doing the SMP with ROTC at the #1 non-military ROTC university. I am paid as an E-5 (sergeant) for one weekend/month drills and a two-week annual training in the summer. The plan is to have my Reserves contract voided upon graduation and then to continue active duty (my goal is INfantry). No I haven't done "dick", but I am still in the Army and if I violated my contract, I would be dishonorably discharged all the same.
zerocool, I believe another ROTC cadet said that I was not in the Army, not as you describe it as "someone in the army".

You said "assume they WERE American soldiers" which means they were not in it for the money (aka you are wrong). They may have been sanctioned to work for an organization, though, which is not a problem?
No. As James Cameron describes it, the "unobtainium" would solve the energy crisis. He said it was key - which means solution. They also did not say anything about going planet to planet killing them. They were not going to kill Pandora, just extract "unobtainium" from that main spot.
No murder or rape occurred in the movie. Look up justifiable homicide and also keep it in the back of your mind that these were aliens and not humans. Do you think the main character should have been killed? He murdered his fellow soldiers. That was murder - he was not justified under any means. No? Stop being a selective bitch.

He was not put in harms way. He was put into a jail cell like you, as an American soldier, agree to be if you disobey an order. You let JAG or whatever it is figure out the rest. You do not kill people you disagree with.
You are also still ignoring a lot of what I said before (you selective bitch!)

Thanks

lol do you have any idea how many soldiers we enlist only BECAUSE of the money?

also, in the movie, they talk about how earth is no longer green because of what humans did to their own planet. watch it again. it solves the energy crisis that the humans keep causing themselves to have by consumption. it was explained in the movie.

the main character didn't murder his fellow soldiers. wtf are you talking about? he wasn't a soldier whenever he was fighting against the humans to protect his people.

no, you don't kill people you disagree with... just like that marine did. he disagreed with the navi on who has rights to the land and decided to kill them and take it instead. jake sully was a freedom fighter for his people (the navi)... not a soldier who decided to be a traitor.

and, no, being punished for choosing not to go against murdering innocents isn't exactly a "choice" someone makes. you make it sound like "oh, you don't want to kill innocent lives? that's subordination... you chose to go to military jail... it was a choice you easily made." that's not at all how shit goes down.

you: "waaaah, i hated this absolutely amazing movie and felt disgusted and ill because a couple of characters decided to stand up against despotic authority and fight to try and save the lives and livelihood of innocents. that's treason... waaaah "

me: "stfu. maybe you should have felt sick about the american marines killing innocent people in order to get a natural resource and not so much about these dissenting characters doing what could to stop it."
 
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weflyhigh

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lol do you have any idea how many soldiers we enlist only BECAUSE of the money?

I do not know any numbers but I could guess there are some people that enlist for job security, yes, but I do not think a significant number of people that become commissioned officers do so solely for financial reasons. Especially not one that stay past their required contracts.
Soldiers do not directly benefit from their operations, either, so I have no idea what you are talking about "assuming they were American soldiers".

Even though this is not AT ALL what I was talking about, I do not see what the problem with profiting from something is. Companies like Pfizer or any other medical/pharmaceutical company make a profit and save lives. If a corporation discovers a resource that will solve a worldwide energy crisis, they are entitled to some profit, but that isn't even the point. The point is the crisis being solved.

The point is the American soldier (mercenary or not, profit or not) turning on his fellow soldiers (mercenary or not, profit or not) and murdering them.

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also, in the movie, they talk about how earth is no longer green because of what humans did to their own planet. watch it again. it solves the energy crisis that the humans keep causing themselves to have by consumption. it was explained in the movie.
They say that the Earth is brown in the movie. I never said they did not say that. An energy crisis is caused by consuming energy, I agree. I don't see what you are trying to say. James Cameron said that the "unobtainium" would solve their energy crisis. Solve = solution = no more energy crisis. That is not hard to follow.
And what are you trying to suggest? 10 billion people die so that 100 aliens do not have to move because "they were there first"?
the main character didn't murder his fellow soldiers. wtf are you talking about? he wasn't a soldier whenever he was fighting against the humans to protect his people.
Are you seriously fucking retarded? I don't like calling people out like that, but what the fuck? Just because he wasn't physically in his body doesn't mean that he didn't murder someone. If I use a remote controlled robot to murder my neighbor, that is still fucking murder.
He was (ex-)marine and the people he was working with were (ex-)marines. He murdered them. He was not justified at all. It's plain and simple.
no, you don't kill people you disagree with... just like that marine did. he disagreed with the navi on who has rights to the land and decided to kill them and take it instead. jake sully was a freedom fighter for his people (the navi)... not a soldier who decided to be a traitor.
You are allowed to ask people (wait a second, they aren't people - they are fucking aliens) to relocate to save 10 billion human lives. Yes you are, you cannot argue that. Jake Sulley WAS a soldier. He WAS a soldier. I do not see how you can say that he wasn't a soldier. He DEFINITELY was a soldier. He killed other soldiers. That is the definition of being a traitor?
and, no, being punished for choosing not to go against murdering innocents isn't exactly a "choice" someone makes. you make it sound like "oh, you don't want to kill innocent lives? that's subordination... you chose to go to military jail... it was a choice you easily made." that's not at all how shit goes down.
When you join the military, you agree to their rules and let those dictate what you do. You are required to disobey unlawful orders. You are forbidden to murder fellow soldiers under ANY circumstances. ANY.
you: "waaaah, i hated this absolutely amazing movie and felt disgusted and ill because a couple of characters decided to stand up against despotic authority and fight to try and save the lives and livelihood of innocents. that's treason... waaaah "

me: "stfu. maybe you should have felt sick about the american marines killing innocent people in order to get a natural resource and not so much about these dissenting characters doing what could to stop it."
I thought the movie looked incredible. I thought the story was disgusting.

Me: American soldiers killing other American soldiers because they have a personal disagreement with orders is wrong and inappropriate.
You: American soldiers can murder other American soldiers (especially if they are not in their own bodies). If someone does not agree with me, I think they deserve to die.
(directly quoted you)
 
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eits

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uh, i'm pretty sure that a vast majority of those who enlist do it because of economic pressure and/or to escape a dead-end situation at home...

most of them don't go into the military because they love their country. that's not to say that they don't come out loving america.
 

weflyhigh

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uh, i'm pretty sure that a vast majority of those who enlist do it because of economic pressure and/or to escape a dead-end situation at home...

most of them don't go into the military because they love their country. that's not to say that they don't come out loving america.

I hate to be a dick, but you obviously did not read what I said.
I agreed with you that some people join the military for financial reasons. I said that.
I would not say it is a vast majority, though.
That doesn't even matter, though, because we are talking about COMMISSIONED OFFICERS. That means that they need to have a university degree and also attend special schooling. A "vast majority" of these people have a military-family background. They are not joining because of "economic pressure" or to "escape a dead-end situation at home". They are joining because they truly are patriotic. Financial benefits might be an extra, but it definitely is not the majority reason vast majority of them become officers. Sorry, bro.
 

Mo0o

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Weflyhigh, what does the American have anything to do with it. Aren't these ex-military who are now contractors. It's basically blackwater guys killing each other.
 

Schadenfroh

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Weflyhigh, what does the American have anything to do with it. Aren't these ex-military who are now contractors. It's basically blackwater guys killing each other.

Yeh, the guys in the movie are mercenaries. Some of them likely have never been in any nation's military and it is also likely that their pool of mercenaries are from various countries. The reason for so much back-stabbing is the same reasons that Machiavelli stated that a nation should never make use of mercenaries. Since it is a corporation conducting a mining operation, they have no choice but to hire mercenaries.

http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince12.htm
Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy. The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you.
 

MercenaryYoureFired

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You're all retards for arguing with an idiot and bringing it into another Avatar thread. Yes, your e-peens are small and this brings great satisfaction, but ffs shut the hell up, all of you.
 

T9D

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I just watched Star Trek Insurrection. Avatar totally ripped that plot from that movie also.
 
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