"I Kissed a Girl and I Liked it, Then I Went to Hell"

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Logically, if God saw the need for a companion for man and created woman, then men and women are meant to be together.

My beliefs are based on scripture. If you can show me scripture contrary to what I am saying please do.

You're assuming that we believe the fairy tail that you obviously do.

We don't.

There is nothing wrong with being gay and homosexuals deserve the same rights, respect, and dignity as any straight person.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: dNor
She has a great rack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...jhDLBw&feature=related

Confirmed.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: thepd7

Logically, if God saw the need for a companion for man and created woman, then men and women are meant to be together.

My beliefs are based on scripture. If you can show me scripture contrary to what I am saying please do.

You're assuming that we believe the fairy tail that you obviously do.

We don't.

No, actually thepd7 is explaining to you what he bases his beliefs on. (Scripture)
What you believe or don't believe has no bearing on said belief.

That is what makes America great folks, in many countries you wouldn't have this
great freedom. You would be hunted down and persecuted for your faith or
perhaps lack of faith.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: thepd7
1. There is a law in the old testament.

2. That is true. However, all sin condemns you to hell.

3.

Check out this passage - "Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee." - Leviticus 19:19. That is an old testament law. Check out the fabric ratios in the clothes you wear.

Sorry, God didn't create us to set us up for Hell. The fall in Eden wasn't a path to hell, but rather a path to mortality. Jesus came here to get us to stop our self-invoked misery during this mortality, i.e. the religious nuts of his time, judging everyone. Ring a bell? He "died for our sins" literally means we killed him - not that he became some gateway into an afterlife. We're all forgiven of our stupidity after we die, there are no secret handshakes.

Read the literal translations of the passages concerning hell. Then read about those times. You'll find that they were talking about literal places, not metaphors related to an afterlife.

Yes, that is true there are many laws we don't follow. However, Jesus makes it clear that it's the condition of the heart that matters with the mention of how someone angry with their brother has committed murder in his heart, etc.

So then the question is, is the law regarding homosexuality one that we ignore because of Jesus' coming or one that stands?

I would argue that it stands. Why? Because of the precedent set in Genesis (woman created for man).

You would argue that it stands because it agrees the beliefs that you already hold. You don't base it on logic.

Logically, if God saw the need for a companion for man and created woman, then men and women are meant to be together.

My beliefs are based on scripture. If you can show me scripture contrary to what I am saying please do.

Logically, god created a woman so that the two would be able to procreate. This does not indicate that homosexuality is a sin.
If the only scripture you can rely on to condemn homosexuality is from Leviticus, but you ignore all the other silly laws in Leviticus, then you're not basing your condemnation of homosexuality on anything other than what you've been taught to believe.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael
It's convenient to argue based entirely on speculation that nobody can call you on for a good while. That's how (false) prophets work.

So then your prediction is that people WILL be listening to this song in 50 years, and that it will be considered a timeless classic?

If you're a collector, I have some dog crap in a plastic bag that I guarantee will quadruple in value by next summer. I'll sell it to you for the low, low price of $10,000.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: thepd7
1) Thanks for correcting me. Woman was not created for man, she was created to further glorify God (as I mentioned in my second point). What I should have pointed out is that when God wanted a companion for Adam he created a woman, not another man.

2) Ego trip? Yes, when you are the omniscient, omnipotent creator of all then you have every right to create everything to glorify you.

3) Jesus did die for our sins as a sacrifice and gift from God. "for God so loved the World he gave his one and only Son"

Gifts must be accepted. What Jesus changed is that we don't have to focus on the law or how much or little we have screwed up. We only have to focus on passionately pursuing Christ.

So.....the sum of all those seems to say that the only reason we exist is to glorify God in some way, and to pursue his dead son. Why are you wasting time on ATOT then? Shouldn't you be at some church, telling God how awesome he is, 24/7?

 

[dbk]

She's at the VMA and her bust looks glorious

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: thepd7

Logically, if God saw the need for a companion for man and created woman, then men and women are meant to be together.

My beliefs are based on scripture. If you can show me scripture contrary to what I am saying please do.

You're assuming that we believe the fairy tail that you obviously do.

We don't.

There is nothing wrong with being gay and homosexuals deserve the same rights, respect, and dignity as any straight person.

I did not pop in here to condemn anyone, in fact if you read my posts it's just the opposite. However, I am not going to let anyone spread misinformation claiming it's scripture-based.

Please, read my posts first.

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Logically, god created a woman so that the two would be able to procreate. This does not indicate that homosexuality is a sin.
If the only scripture you can rely on to condemn homosexuality is from Leviticus, but you ignore all the other silly laws in Leviticus, then you're not basing your condemnation of homosexuality on anything other than what you've been taught to believe.

God created procreation. If He wanted to he could have made two men able to produce a baby. That's not the case.

You can absolutely argue this point, however I am arguing a certain way based on scripture (specific scripture as well as examples) so if you want to argue with me then provide scripture to the contrary.

Also, do you believe beastiality is a sin? No one ever answered that question for me.

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: thepd7
1) Thanks for correcting me. Woman was not created for man, she was created to further glorify God (as I mentioned in my second point). What I should have pointed out is that when God wanted a companion for Adam he created a woman, not another man.

2) Ego trip? Yes, when you are the omniscient, omnipotent creator of all then you have every right to create everything to glorify you.

3) Jesus did die for our sins as a sacrifice and gift from God. "for God so loved the World he gave his one and only Son"

Gifts must be accepted. What Jesus changed is that we don't have to focus on the law or how much or little we have screwed up. We only have to focus on passionately pursuing Christ.

So.....the sum of all those seems to say that the only reason we exist is to glorify God in some way, and to pursue his dead son. Why are you wasting time on ATOT then? Shouldn't you be at some church, telling God how awesome he is, 24/7?

No, actually. That's not what God has called me to do. I can glorify God in many different ways. Through parenthood, through treating my coworkers fairly and with love, through beautiful music or photography.

Just because we were created to glorify Him doesn't mean we aren't allowed to have a life or to do anything other than go to church. I go to the movies, I go out, I watch football with my friends (go Cowboys!).

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: thepd7

Logically, if God saw the need for a companion for man and created woman, then men and women are meant to be together.

My beliefs are based on scripture. If you can show me scripture contrary to what I am saying please do.

You're assuming that we believe the fairy tail that you obviously do.

We don't.

There is nothing wrong with being gay and homosexuals deserve the same rights, respect, and dignity as any straight person.

I did not pop in here to condemn anyone, in fact if you read my posts it's just the opposite. However, I am not going to let anyone spread misinformation claiming it's scripture-based.

Please, read my posts first.

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Logically, god created a woman so that the two would be able to procreate. This does not indicate that homosexuality is a sin.
If the only scripture you can rely on to condemn homosexuality is from Leviticus, but you ignore all the other silly laws in Leviticus, then you're not basing your condemnation of homosexuality on anything other than what you've been taught to believe.

God created procreation. If He wanted to he could have made two men able to produce a baby. That's not the case.

You can absolutely argue this point, however I am arguing a certain way based on scripture (specific scripture as well as examples) so if you want to argue with me then provide scripture to the contrary.

Also, do you believe beastiality is a sin? No one ever answered that question for me.

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: thepd7
1) Thanks for correcting me. Woman was not created for man, she was created to further glorify God (as I mentioned in my second point). What I should have pointed out is that when God wanted a companion for Adam he created a woman, not another man.

2) Ego trip? Yes, when you are the omniscient, omnipotent creator of all then you have every right to create everything to glorify you.

3) Jesus did die for our sins as a sacrifice and gift from God. "for God so loved the World he gave his one and only Son"

Gifts must be accepted. What Jesus changed is that we don't have to focus on the law or how much or little we have screwed up. We only have to focus on passionately pursuing Christ.

So.....the sum of all those seems to say that the only reason we exist is to glorify God in some way, and to pursue his dead son. Why are you wasting time on ATOT then? Shouldn't you be at some church, telling God how awesome he is, 24/7?

No, actually. That's not what God has called me to do. I can glorify God in many different ways. Through parenthood, through treating my coworkers fairly and with love, through beautiful music or photography.

Just because we were created to glorify Him doesn't mean we aren't allowed to have a life or to do anything other than go to church. I go to the movies, I go out, I watch football with my friends (go Cowboys!).

So abviously if gay people treat everyone nicely and a lead good lives then god has no problem right?

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: ICRS
Typical theist with their hate mongering bullshit.

Religion FMFL.

Typical troll with his hate-mongering bullshit.

Trolls FTMFL.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: dbk
She's at the VMA and her bust looks glorious

:camera:'s?

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: dbk
She's at the VMA and her bust looks glorious

yeh, did you hear her say she gets her outfits at Goodwill, and this one which set her b00bs way up high, she got at a used vintage clothing place.

 

[splicer707]

The video clip for this song could have been so much better.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

So abviously if gay people treat everyone nicely and a lead good lives then god has no problem right?

Wrong. The only way to God is through Christ. The reason that I try and live well is because Jesus said "if you love me, you will keep my commandments".

I am not trying to live a good life so I can get into heaven, no sinner can enter heaven. That is why I need a perfect savior to wash away my sin. Trying to lead a good life has everything to do with seeking Jesus and nothing to do with trying to win my way into heaven.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

So abviously if gay people treat everyone nicely and a lead good lives then god has no problem right?

Wrong. The only way to God is through Christ. The reason that I try and live well is because Jesus said "if you love me, you will keep my commandments".

I am not trying to live a good life so I can get into heaven, no sinner can enter heaven. That is why I need a perfect savior to wash away my sin. Trying to lead a good life has everything to do with seeking Jesus and nothing to do with trying to win my way into heaven.

I like debating about religion just as much as anyone else, but there is a certain point when we must agree that we're going to continue to disagree. Everyone has stated their case and there is nothing more of worth to be said, so lets please let it go and leave the thread to the original topic.

 

[Aikouka]

I find it amusing how everyone seems to think that because they put up a line condemning homosexuality that they must hate the person (people). Oh if there was only stuff in the bible about hating the sin not the person... oh wait :roll:.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: thepd7
God created procreation. If He wanted to he could have made two men able to produce a baby. That's not the case.

By your logic: "God" created aids, cancer and all sorts of other things to kill us too. But yet we attempt to survive beyond them, what a slap in the fucking face that must look like eh? A complete act of defiance to the one we were meant to glorify?

But maybe god enjoys defiance, in which case, he enjoys homosexuality too.

So either you refuse medical care or you accept homosexuality.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: thepd7

1. There is a law in the old testament.

1. it says that a man cannot lie with a man as he would a woman. women, historically, were incapable of having sexual relations together. so, no, girl on girl action was not and is not prohibited by the bible.

2. better not eat pork. or shellfish.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: thepd7

1. There is a law in the old testament.

1. it says that a man cannot lie with a man as he would a woman. women, historically, were incapable of having sexual relations together. so, no, girl on girl action was not and is not prohibited by the bible.

Whew that's a relief

Adam and Steve is just wrong

Babette and Eve is just so right...

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Babette and Eve is just so right...

Babette, Eve, Sarah, Michelle, Christine, Denise, Hope, and Katie is even better.

 

[Vehemence]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Babette and Eve is just so right...

Babette, Eve, Sarah, Michelle, Christine, Denise, Hope, and Katie is even better.

Don't forget Megan and some pudding!

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet

So abviously if gay people treat everyone nicely and a lead good lives then god has no problem right?

Wrong. The only way to God is through Christ. The reason that I try and live well is because Jesus said "if you love me, you will keep my commandments".

I am not trying to live a good life so I can get into heaven, no sinner can enter heaven. That is why I need a perfect savior to wash away my sin. Trying to lead a good life has everything to do with seeking Jesus and nothing to do with trying to win my way into heaven.

Do you kill everyone that curses their mother and father?

Do you refuse to cut your hair and shave?

Do you kill the man and woman when he cheats on his wife?

Do you actively stone psychics?

Do you burn priests daughters at the stake if they are sluts?

Do you stone to death anyone that says God dammit?


or do you disregard Leviticus?


Hell Deuteronomy is vicious as well
It commands you kill anyone who tries to turn you away from God even your family.
If you travel to another city that worships another God, destroy it and kill half the people and animals.
Kill anyone of a different religion.

My knock on the Christian faith is you can't really cherry pick the Bible and follow parts that are easy, because that would make you a hypocrite for not following the whole thing. Faith is a good thing for people to believe in when they have nothing else or are desperate, plus most of the moral teachings are a good thing.

I choose to live a moral life and do good unto others, but I will not worship in a hypocritical organization.

 

[Regs]

How the hell did this become a hit?

Now I hear the back street boys are back.

Oh fuck it. *pulls trigger*

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: thepd7

Logically, if God saw the need for a companion for man and created woman, then men and women are meant to be together.

My beliefs are based on scripture. If you can show me scripture contrary to what I am saying please do.

You're assuming that we believe the fairy tail that you obviously do.

We don't.

No, actually thepd7 is explaining to you what he bases his beliefs on. (Scripture)
What you believe or don't believe has no bearing on said belief.

That is what makes America great folks, in many countries you wouldn't have this
great freedom. You would be hunted down and persecuted for your faith or
perhaps lack of faith.

Tell me with a straight face that there aren't people in this country who are being persecuted for their faith or lack thereof. You're out of your fucking mind if you believe that.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Do you kill everyone that curses their mother and father?

Do you refuse to cut your hair and shave?

Do you kill the man and woman when he cheats on his wife?

Do you actively stone psychics?

Do you burn priests daughters at the stake if they are sluts?

Do you stone to death anyone that says God dammit?


or do you disregard Leviticus?


Hell Deuteronomy is vicious as well
It commands you kill anyone who tries to turn you away from God even your family.
If you travel to another city that worships another God, destroy it and kill half the people and animals.
Kill anyone of a different religion.

My knock on the Christian faith is you can't really cherry pick the Bible and follow parts that are easy, because that would make you a hypocrite for not following the whole thing. Faith is a good thing for people to believe in when they have nothing else or are desperate, plus most of the moral teachings are a good thing.

I choose to live a moral life and do good unto others, but I will not worship in a hypocritical organization.

This is what cracks me up about this issue. People who say it's a sin generally don't have a problem mixing fabrics, eating pork, or planting two crops in the same field. And I'm pretty sure most of them don't stone disobedient children.

Either obey ALL of God's laws, or admit the only reason you don't like gay people is because you think what they do is icky.

Or you could do what Jesus REALLY said about loving your neighbor, casting the first stone, etc etc. But I won't hold my breath for that one.