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Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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So when are the congressional critters going to change the law and restrict twitter n chiefs ability to prosecute asylum seekers and thus separate families?
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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If your sole standard is legality then any action is justifiable as long as you can pass a law.

Also as noted people requesting asylum are doing so legally and not committing any crime.

Appropriate:

htttps://twitter.com/sannewman/status/1008420672064966657
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Can anyone more well versed on the subject of asylum tell me why for example, a Guatemalan seeking asylum did not achieve it when they crossed the border into Mexico?

Probably for similar reasons why asylum seekers from Afghanistan or Syria end up in western Europe instead of Iran or Turkey. The whole point of asylum is to go somewhere safe, not somewhere slightly less dangerous.
 
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Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Well, according to Trump's approval ratings, 80+% of Republicans/conservatives approve of his and his administration's handling of the nation's affairs including adultery, incessant lying, sexually abusing and demeaning women, creating conspiracy theories to avoid/deny complicity, violating emolument clause for fun and profit, supporting dictatorships, deregulating laws that protect the public from harm, abusing and violating the public's trust on daily basis, witness tampering, flooding the courts with unqualified far right wing "judges", colluding with Russians, financially violating intent and purpose of charitable foundations and now, and now Trump and Session's use of separating children from their parents in order to punish those folks seeking asylum and sending a warning to those who also want to find a better life for their children and, of all things Trumpian in nature, blaming the Democrats for it all.

Shameful, disgusting, immoral and criminal behaviour by our duly elected Republican gov't officials but it's all good so long as it's "their people" doing it for "all the right reasons" as they were instructed to believe by Hannity, Limbaugh, and the GOP Ministry of Propaganda.

The question of "what could go wrong" with these travesties against the people of the world have already been answered.

The response deserves to be heard loud and decisively clear come November because things can only get worse as they are right now at this very moment in time.

This country has a cultural love for authority and jingoism. Look no further than all of the fury over the NFL anthem protests, it's rooted in the same shit. The more obvious it is that 'America' doesn't have the ideals that the jingoists pretend it does, the more important it will be to them to police people's behavior and deference to its symbols.

We need to standing for the anthem; stop clapping like a drone every time they wheel out an octogenarian with a bunch of metal on his chest. We'll lose those rights soon enough, but we should exercise them while we have them.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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If you suggest we setup refugee camps and allow first time offenders to 1: stay out of prison and 2: keep families together, then I'd support that. But our system is overwhelmed and a solution requires border security. The idea of amnesty and assimilation are for those already living here. Not for the rest of the planet. Kids cannot be a free ticket into the US. We have every right to stop them from crossing. We can relieve the situation by properly addressing it in legislation.

That sounds reasonable? Would that no be doable? Why Trump not be doing that then? Cause wall.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Why do we need to give compassion to people who openly break the law by enter the country illegally?

I guess compassion is not something you give, it is something you feel? Well, most folks feel it anyway, psychopaths dont.

 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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What I find interesting is that because this policy is simultaneously monstrous and something that Trump's hardcore base loves (exactly because it's being monstrous towards the hated brown people) that they are reduced to lying about it in mutually exclusive ways.

It's simultaneously a:
1) good deterrent policy that is...
2) unfortunately forced on Trump against his wishes by a law the Democrats made but...
3) the policy also doesn't exist.

lol.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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It's going to be an interesting week. I suspect the policy will be gone by the end of it. Hopefully there will be sufficient political fallout from it to make a difference.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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It's going to be an interesting week. I suspect the policy will be gone by the end of it. Hopefully there will be sufficient political fallout from it to make a difference.

Remember the travel ban? People were outraged about that. The government basically waited it out, then the Supreme Court gave the green light to keep doing it and no one cares anymore. This will probably be similar. They'll get away with it.
 

VRAMdemon

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Aug 16, 2012
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The Trump Rip-Children-From-Their-Mother's-Arms Policy was the brainchild of Stephen Miller and implemented by Jeff Sessions. But everybody hates it. It's universally condemned by everyone who doesn't owe their job to Trump (silence from Congressional Republicans, of course)..

So..how does Trump defend this policy? By stating he hates it too, but blames it on the democrats. Acting like his hands are tied by some imaginary Democratic legislation is just weak looking and embarrassing.

This will confirm what we already know, not only is he a lying bastard, but he's a gutless coward, too.
 
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The Trump Rip-Children-From-Their-Mother's-Arms Policy was the brainchild of Stephen Miller and implemented by Jeff Sessions. But everybody hates it. It's universally condemned by everyone who doesn't owe their job to Trump (silence from Congressional Republicans, of course)..

So..how does Trump defend this policy? By stating he hates it too, but blames it on the democrats. Acting like his hands are tied by some imaginary Democratic legislation is just weak looking and embarrassing.

This will confirm what we already know, not only is he a lying bastard, but he's a gutless coward, too.
What’s pathetic is watching House and Senate members decry it too while simultaneously refusing to take up any legislation to stop it.
 
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VRAMdemon

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NAC4EV

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Is this true:
I have heard of reports that Border Agents will not hold or touch a traumatize child.
They won;t even change a child's diaper.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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So when are the congressional critters going to change the law and restrict twitter n chiefs ability to prosecute asylum seekers and thus separate families?

congess made it a misdemeanor. cheeto has decided that means the punishment you see.
 
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Sunburn74

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Oct 5, 2009
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congess made it a misdemeanor. cheeto has decided that means the punishment you see.
Honestly one thing I don't have grasp is why trump doesn't just fire sessions over this when he's been desperately trying to get rid of him. There is big backlash on all sides of this and sessions is the driver of the issue. Just get rid of him, end the policy and take the political win (even though this entire disaster was completely manufactured by the trump administration)
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Honestly one thing I don't have grasp is why trump doesn't just fire sessions over this when he's been desperately trying to get rid of him. There is big backlash on all sides of this and sessions is the driver of the issue. Just get rid of him, end the policy and take the political win (even though this entire disaster was completely manufactured by the trump administration)
Dirty deeds like this are exactly why Trump keeps Sessions around. This policy came from the White House with implementation by Sessions.
 
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K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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Dirty deeds like this are exactly why Trump keeps Sessions around. This policy came from the White House with implementation by Sessions.

I don't think you really have to twist Jeff's arm too hard to be mean to brown people.
 
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JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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here are a few quotes...

Organizations like the NAACP “force civil rights down the throats of people.”

“I thought those guys [the Ku Klux Klan] were OK until I learned they smoked pot.”

“You know the NAACP hates white people; they are out to get them. That is why they bring these lawsuits, and they are a commie group and a pinko organization as well.”

To Figures: “You ought to be careful as to what you say to white folks.”

“Disgrace to his race”

 
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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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Can't they explicitly make a clause for asylum seekers they will not be charged with a crime?

BTW CBP is also turning people away who try to follow the law by presenting themselves at a port of entry to make an asylum claim.

NPR ran a story on it last weekend.
 
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