I live in a country that puts babies in cages

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JSt0rm

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BTW CBP is also turning people away who try to follow the law by presenting themselves at a port of entry to make an asylum claim.

NPR ran a story on it last weekend.

you dont have to present yourself at a port of entry. This is fake news. Its not against the law to request asylum anywhere. In fact, lawyers recommend you dont go to the port of entry.
 
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Can't they explicitly make a clause for asylum seekers they will not be charged with a crime?
They have this. In both US and international law. But the US is violating these laws by preventing them from even presenting themselves for asylum. So they cross the border to force the issue and end up arrested and now charged with a misdemeanour which no other admin did before. That misdemeanour means bye bye kids.

They travelled thousands of miles in desperation only to be blocked feet away from their goal. Literally physically blocked by CBP agents preventing them from applying for asylum. They have stayed at the bridges for days to weeks in some cases trying multiple times but keep being denied the chance to be heard. So they break the law in desperation and cross. But they tried to do it the right way.

The admin meanwhile says it is doing this to try and force people to legal entry ports. The same ones they are blocking people at in violation of the law.
 
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brycejones

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you dont have to present yourself at a port of entry. This is fake news. Its not against the law to request asylum anywhere. In fact, lawyers recommend you dont go to the port of entry.

Source? I'm curious because the reporting that I've heard has indicated otherwise. This has become such a mess.
 

Blackjack200

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Propublica has apparently posted audio of children wailing at these totally-not-cages detention centers.

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

Go find the link if you can stomach listening to it. I can't.
 
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Well they must know how bad this looks. Or at least some do. Word is the SHS didnt want to do the briefing today. I wouldn’t want to either.
 

Viper GTS

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I searched this thread for nytimes & didn't see anything so I'm going to post this specifically:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html

Children whose parents have been arrested are transferred to the custody of the Health and Human Services Department, whose staff screens them, finds housing and remains responsible for them.

From that point, migrant parents and children become separate legal cases in the maze of government bureaucracy, and keeping them linked has proved challenging. Different legal protections are afforded to juveniles and adults in the immigration system, and as a result, reuniting families can take months or longer, several legal experts said.

In federal court, parents typically plead guilty to the misdemeanor offense of illegal entry. Many are then likely to accept “expedited removal” from the country, in the hope of being reunited quickly with their children. But children cannot be subject to expedited removal; they are automatically entitled to a full hearing before an immigration judge, and their cases take longer to resolve.

“Once the parent and child are apart, they are on separate legal tracks,” said John Sandweg, who was acting director of ICE during the Obama administration.

Reunification becomes particularly difficult when a parent is deported without the child and is no longer on American soil, Mr. Sandweg said; in those cases, “there is a very high risk that parents and children will be permanently separated.”

This is far, far worse than simply housing them in different wings of the same facility. This is deporting parents and leaving children behind. I don't feel that this is being stressed enough by the media, people who pay only cursory attention to the headlines are probably missing this point.

Viper GTS
 
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Sunburn74

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Dirty deeds like this are exactly why Trump keeps Sessions around. This policy came from the White House with implementation by Sessions.
So in essence he likes sessions and wants to keep him around as both a punching bag and a guy who gets stuff done. Is trump smarter than we think?
 
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ProPublica obtained audio from inside a facility as children wailed. One 6 year old begs to call her aunt. The employees just joke that they have an orchestra inside.

https://www.propublica.org/article/...ial&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=1529351580

From the article:

"The child who stood out the most was the 6-year-old Salvadoran girl with a phone number stuck in her head. At the end of the audio, a consular official offers to call the girl’s aunt. ProPublica dialed the number she recited in the audio, and spoke with the aunt about the call.

It was the hardest moment in my life,” she said. “Imagine getting a call from your 6-year-old niece. She’s crying and begging me to go get her. She says, ‘I promise I’ll behave, but please get me out of here. I’m all alone.’”

The aunt said what made the call even more painful was that there was nothing she could do. She and her 9-year-old daughter are seeking asylum in the United States after immigrating here two years ago for the exact same reasons and on the exact same route as her sister and her niece. They are from a small town called Armenia, about an hour’s drive northwest of the Salvadoran capital, but well within reach of its crippling crime waves. She said gangs were everywhere in El Salvador: “They’re on the buses. They’re in the banks. They’re in schools. They’re in the police. There’s nowhere for normal people to feel safe.”
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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Do criminals get a free pass just because they drag their children into their crimes?
There is no right to illegal entry into the US.

It is the same for American citizens. If your children have no other known family and you are arrested, they go in the "system". You don't go to prison together and they are not left home alone. The problem for illegal immigrants is that they number in the millions. They overwhelm our systems by an order of magnitude. Even if we wanted to deport them back to their home country we either don't know who they are, or don't have the manpower assigned to get it done before another ten thousand show up.

The volume creates a backlog which necessitates storage "housing". Even assuming we were doing the right thing.

It's a bad situation that legislation can solve by allocating several more $billions to the task.

I missed something. When were these people tried and convicted?
 
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Ackmed

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You live in a country that tries to push fake news of the children being put in cages. Twice, the left has tried this. Once with a picture from the Obama years, once with an actual fake picture that was a setup.

This doesn't help the actual problem.
 

UberNeuman

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You live in a country that tries to push fake news of the children being put in cages. Twice, the left has tried this. Once with a picture from the Obama years, once with an actual fake picture that was a setup.

This doesn't help the actual problem.

I bet you enjoy the recording of the children crying. Gets the old noodle full of blood, doesn't it?
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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People should watch the daily press briefing from today. The enormity of these people is hard to understate.
 
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You live in a country that tries to push fake news of the children being put in cages. Twice, the left has tried this. Once with a picture from the Obama years, once with an actual fake picture that was a setup.

This doesn't help the actual problem.

No cages here and the conditions seem quite normal and acceptable for children.

Also, the only pics out are what the Trump admin have wanted you to see. They banned all cameras, phones etc... when reporters were allowed in.

 

Jaskalas

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What does this have to do with Asylum seekers?

Your desire to distinguish between illegal aliens is foreign to me. I cannot recall the last time anyone ever spoke of people crossing our southern border as "Asylum seekers". Do we consider anyone illegal anymore, why even have a border if we intend to let every single person through? Do they just use a magic word and all is okay? Or maybe you'd have our border open to families.

The basic problem with pretending we don't have a border, by pretending we can house an unlimited number of people, is that inevitably there would be so many people in our country that our standard of living would drop like a rock. To the point where people would rather flee the United States than immigrate to it. That is the end result of having too many people. At some point it has to stop. Why not now? Water resources are already stressed. It's about time we stopped our population growth before it has serious, painful, consequences.

Why should I recognize illegal aliens as Asylum seekers? Far as I'm concerned they have no right to cross the border. Venezuela might be horrific enough to consider their people for Asylum, but frankly there are plenty more countries in the Americas, and they are a lot closer and easier to get to. There is no reason to accept people for Asylum. There is no reason to flood the United States with people, our population growth needs to stop.

I simply do not recognize Asylum. Not when millions already flood through the southern border. Speaking of which....

Detention as we catch them crossing could be done humanely, such as refugee camps, I would support that. But it would require legislation to fund and establish. A stronger border wall would prevent most illegal crossings. If people overstay their Visa then at least they are documented and we know which country and whose family the kids belong to. That'd make the situation a hell of a lot easier to deal with. And if, IF, we can settle down the flood and the chaos at the border, then we can battle our fellow Americans to make sure our long term residents, illegal or not, are all brought in out of the shadows, treated fairly and compassionately. Where those residents are assimilated as permanent legal residents with citizens for children.

TL;DR, I favor better treatment of first time offenders, stronger security to prevent illegal crossing, and amnesty for long term residents.
If someone wants Asylum they can talk to our embassy.
 

zinfamous

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You live in a country that tries to push fake news of the children being put in cages. Twice, the left has tried this. Once with a picture from the Obama years, once with an actual fake picture that was a setup.

This doesn't help the actual problem.

Holy fuck you're a monster. Put down your weapon, discharge yourself from the military, and do not pretend that you are "defending our freedoms" for anything, because you aren't. You're a lying, monstrous, despicable sociopath. You are defending this country's march towards fascism, and fuck you for it. Fuck you.

Get educated, shithead. You're a disgrace to your uniform. Jesus weeps because of you.
 
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How convenient and typically delusion of a conservative. I don’t recognize asylum so end of discussion.

Asylum is both international and US law. How can you go on these long rants about respecting the law and rule of law while summarily dismissing that they are violating the law by ignoring requests for asylum and, worse yet, pushing them back so they can’t even apply.

Its the fucking law.
 
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dainthomas

Lifer
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Propublica has apparently posted audio of children wailing at these totally-not-cages detention centers.

U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

Go find the link if you can stomach listening to it. I can't.

I made the mistake of listening. Definitely NOT recommended. So much rage right now.
 
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