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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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You didn't even know what the asylum law said so what makes you think this claim is any more valid? Maybe you should try looking up actual laws before you opine on them.

That is not the law. You have no fucking clue. Show me where it is law that children are to be separated from their parents indefinitely. Show me where it is written in law, you lying sack of scum.

Here you go, you demonic little tumor:

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/16/620698890/barbershop-border-separations
MEISSNER: Well, so here is the situation. What - the reference that they're making is to a court settlement called the Flores decision, which took place in 1997. I'm very familiar with it because I signed it. And it was a settlement of a long-standing piece of litigation that said that children would be detained in the least restrictive setting possible and for the shortest period of time in order to be placed with either a family member or another care situation.

That law - that - and that's not a law. It's a court settlement, but it has the force of law. And it has been expanded by another court judgment just a few years ago to apply both to children and to families with children. So it is valid to say that it has the force of law. It is not actually a law. It would have - to change it would require legislation, which is what the Congress is talking about.

However, it is a judgment on the part of the administration how to implement that court decision. And this implementation of the court decision that says children need to be separated from their parents because their parent is being prosecuted - that has never happened before in the past from the time that this settlement took place through other administrations - both Democratic and Republican administrations.

Everybody has recognized that this issue is a balancing act - that we, of course, have a responsibility to enforce the laws at the border. But to those who are especially vulnerable - young people and families - there are other measures that can be taken that, of course, enforce the law but are not so excessively harsh as to violate a principle so fundamental as young children being in detention for long periods of time.

https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/flores-settlement-brief-history-and-next-steps
https://cliniclegal.org/sites/default/files/attachments/flores_v._reno_settlement_agreement_1.pdf
 
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boomerang

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Can anyone more well versed on the subject of asylum tell me why for example, a Guatemalan seeking asylum did not achieve it when they crossed the border into Mexico?
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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wapo is reporting the children cant be touched. So you have a bunch of infants and toddlers with no human contact. This is very bad for brain development as the famous baby monkey study showed us about eastern European children shelters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-for-migrant-children/?utm_term=.7d3546c1bdda
Damn, hadn't heard of toxic stress before but it makes sense. As bad as I feel for the kids, I can't even imagine what it's like to be tasked with taking care of these kids. Hats off to those workers who are doing their job to the best of their ability given a horrible situation.

I expect within a week we'll start to see border patrol/ICE agents resigning or protesting. This can't be good for morale.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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They better resign. Anyone complicit in concentration camps should be charged. Hiding behind "its the law" wont save you.

contrary to our ever shrinking supporters of nazi republican racists.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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wapo is reporting the children cant be touched. So you have a bunch of infants and toddlers with no human contact. This is very bad for brain development as the famous baby monkey study showed us about eastern European children shelters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-for-migrant-children/?utm_term=.7d3546c1bdda

One woman tried to give her toys and books to calm her down, but even that shelter worker seemed frustrated, Kraft told The Washington Post, because as much as she wanted to console the little girl, she couldn’t touch, hold or pick her up to let her know everything would be all right. That was the rule, Kraft said she was told: They’re not allowed to touch the children.

Fuck me. Fuck me. Assholes.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Do criminals get a free pass just because they drag their children into their crimes?
There is no right to illegal entry into the US.

It is the same for American citizens. If your children have no other known family and you are arrested, they go in the "system". You don't go to prison together and they are not left home alone. The problem for illegal immigrants is that they number in the millions. They overwhelm our systems by an order of magnitude. Even if we wanted to deport them back to their home country we either don't know who they are, or don't have the manpower assigned to get it done before another ten thousand show up.

The volume creates a backlog which necessitates storage "housing". Even assuming we were doing the right thing.

It's a bad situation that legislation can solve by allocating several more $billions to the task.
 
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wapo is reporting the children cant be touched. So you have a bunch of infants and toddlers with no human contact. This is very bad for brain development as the famous baby monkey study showed us about eastern European children shelters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-for-migrant-children/?utm_term=.7d3546c1bdda
Yup. Kraft is the president of the Amareican academy of Pediatrics and they have said that this is going to cause extreme and long lasting psychological damage to these kids.
 
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Do criminals get a free pass just because they drag their children into their crimes?
There is no right to illegal entry into the US.

It is the same for American citizens. If your children have no other known family and you are arrested, they go in the "system". You don't go to prison together and they are not left home alone. The problem for illegal immigrants is that they number in the millions. They overwhelm our systems by an order of magnitude. Even if we wanted to deport them back to their home country we either don't know who they are, or don't have the manpower assigned to get it done before another ten thousand show up.

The volume creates a backlog which necessitates storage "housing". Even assuming we were doing the right thing.

It's a bad situation that legislation can solve by allocating several more $billions to the task.
The difference here is the Trump admin is charging everyone with a crime. A misdemeanour no less. How many people kid their kids seized for a misdemeanour? No other admin has ever done that. Then they want to blame the democrats. It’s all them. It’s all on them. They can’t even keep their own arguments straight and just keep moving the goal posts as each justification collapses when defending this.

I mean come on man. How can you in anyway defend this bullshit? The Trump admin set the house on fire and now is demanding more money for fire trucks. These kids are not pawns. The damage they are doing just to get funding for a border wall that you don’t fucking need and won’t do a god damn thing is shameful.

They are losing children. 1500 October to December last year. Don’t defend this nonsense. It’s just disgusting and shameful.
 
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cytg111

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Do criminals get a free pass just because they drag their children into their crimes?
There is no right to illegal entry into the US.

It is the same for American citizens. If your children have no other known family and you are arrested, they go in the "system". You don't go to prison together and they are not left home alone. The problem for illegal immigrants is that they number in the millions. They overwhelm our systems by an order of magnitude. Even if we wanted to deport them back to their home country we either don't know who they are, or don't have the manpower assigned to get it done before another ten thousand show up.

The volume creates a backlog which necessitates storage "housing". Even assuming we were doing the right thing.

It's a bad situation that legislation can solve by allocating several more $billions to the task.
The word you are looking for is "misdemeanor".. Anyway, you could throw the men in gitmo and let the children be with their mothers and that would be a preferable solution than to this.
You are beating up kids ffs! Get it through your skulls.. Babies.. I take it that you either dont have any of your own and/or has the warrior gene and your mom is a drunk... something like that..
 
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Sunburn74

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Some people here really think just because these people aren't citizens the government should get a free pass to beat them, torture them and do whatever they can imagine. If that's the kind of country you want to live in fine , but it's certainly not what I envision when I think about the principles America was founded on.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
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The difference here is the Trump admin is charging everyone with a crime. A misdemeanour no less. How many people kid their kids seized for a misdemeanour?

And the difference is one needs to arrest and detain illegal aliens as they cross over. That is how you stop their crime in progress. You prevent the situation they put themselves in by building the wall. By doing everything possible to reduce the intake of people. And by increasing funds to assist those already here.

If you suggest we setup refugee camps and allow first time offenders to 1: stay out of prison and 2: keep families together, then I'd support that. But our system is overwhelmed and a solution requires border security. The idea of amnesty and assimilation are for those already living here. Not for the rest of the planet. Kids cannot be a free ticket into the US. We have every right to stop them from crossing. We can relieve the situation by properly addressing it in legislation.
 

K1052

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And the difference is one needs to arrest and detain illegal aliens as they cross over. That is how you stop their crime in progress. You prevent the situation they put themselves in by building the wall. By doing everything possible to reduce the intake of people. And by increasing funds to assist those already here.

If you suggest we setup refugee camps and allow first time offenders to 1: stay out of prison and 2: keep families together, then I'd support that. But a solution requires border security. The idea of amnesty and assimilation are for those already living here. Not for the rest of the planet. Kids cannot be a free ticket into the US. We have every right to stop them from crossing. We can relieve the situation by properly addressing it in legislation.

America: Where we treat the symptoms of a problem with the cruelest remedies available instead of the actual causes rooted in our policies. Until it affects white people then we suddenly rediscover compassion.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Do criminals get a free pass just because they drag their children into their crimes?
There is no right to illegal entry into the US.

It is the same for American citizens. If your children have no other known family and you are arrested, they go in the "system". You don't go to prison together and they are not left home alone. The problem for illegal immigrants is that they number in the millions. They overwhelm our systems by an order of magnitude. Even if we wanted to deport them back to their home country we either don't know who they are, or don't have the manpower assigned to get it done before another ten thousand show up.

The volume creates a backlog which necessitates storage "housing". Even assuming we were doing the right thing.

It's a bad situation that legislation can solve by allocating several more $billions to the task.

What does this have to do with Asylum seekers? Are you intentionally confusing the two issues or just confusing them out of ignorance? never mind that it really doesn't matter either way, as this current administration's policy to separate children is in no way due to any law--moral or legislative.
 
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Xellos2099

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I really don't see a problem, like people said it is a good deterrence to enter the country illegally. Don't want to separated with your kids, don't enter. Also I think i mention this many time, why is it that United States are basically not allow to defend its own border from illegals? There are NO other countries in this world that don't kick out illegal entries.
 

Xellos2099

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America: Where we treat the symptoms of a problem with the cruelest remedies available instead of the actual causes rooted in our policies. Until it affects white people then we suddenly rediscover compassion.
Why do we need to give compassion to people who openly break the law by enter the country illegally?
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
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Why do we need to give compassion to people who openly break the law by enter the country illegally?

If your sole standard is legality then any action is justifiable as long as you can pass a law.

Also as noted people requesting asylum are doing so legally and not committing any crime.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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Well, according to Trump's approval ratings, 80+% of Republicans/conservatives approve of his and his administration's handling of the nation's affairs including adultery, incessant lying, sexually abusing and demeaning women, creating conspiracy theories to avoid/deny complicity, violating emolument clause for fun and profit, supporting dictatorships, deregulating laws that protect the public from harm, abusing and violating the public's trust on daily basis, witness tampering, flooding the courts with unqualified far right wing "judges", colluding with Russians, financially violating intent and purpose of charitable foundations and now, and now Trump and Session's use of separating children from their parents in order to punish those folks seeking asylum and sending a warning to those who also want to find a better life for their children and, of all things Trumpian in nature, blaming the Democrats for it all.

Shameful, disgusting, immoral and criminal behaviour by our duly elected Republican gov't officials but it's all good so long as it's "their people" doing it for "all the right reasons" as they were instructed to believe by Hannity, Limbaugh, and the GOP Ministry of Propaganda.

The question of "what could go wrong" with these travesties against the people of the world have already been answered.

The response deserves to be heard loud and decisively clear come November because things can only get worse as they are right now at this very moment in time.
 
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