I love anti-motorcycle people.

[Zivic]

Why did he buy it then?

I have no idea. Just came to mind when I saw the pic

 

[Elganja]

there is an inherent risk in riding a bike in terms of safety and theres no real arguing against it

to some people, the risk is worth it... it sure was to me when I was younger (in my early/mid 20's).

as i get older, what I value in life is much different (family, friends, etc...). today, the risk isn't worth it

to each his own :thumbsup:

 

[JulesMaximus]

I have no idea. Just came to mind when I saw the pic

The chassis on mine is quite good. Very stable. Not like a wet noodle at all.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that about a Ducati in fact and I know many people who own them.

 

[Zivic]

The chassis on mine is quite good. Very stable. Not like a wet noodle at all.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that about a Ducati in fact and I know many people who own them.

I asked him, he said he preferred a sportier bike. I think he might of traded it in on an R6

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Actually, riders 25 or older with more than a year of experience riding have very little risk.

92% of motorcycle accidents involve riders with no formal rider training and 50% of motorcycle accidents involve riders with less than 6 months experience.

Statistically speaking, people old enough to have families are the least likely to be involved in motorcycle accidents.

While it's not possible to eliminate all of the risk, the vast majority is fairly easy to deal with by getting the proper training.

ZV

What training is involved absorbing rear end collisions or cars t boning you at the intersection cause they ran the light? Or how about granny that forgot her bifocals and pulls out in front of you and you're already doing 60? Is there a certain way I should breathe or what?

 

[WilliamM2]

What training is involved absorbing rear end collisions or cars t boning you at the intersection cause they ran the light? Or how about granny that forgot her bifocals and pulls out in front of you and you're already doing 60? Is there a certain way I should breathe or what?

Seriously? How about slowing down at every intersection, and always assuming any car at an intersection/driveway is going to pull out in front of you, and acting accordingly. I think at least one driver pulled out in front of me on almost every single ride I ever took. I never hit any of them.

Odds are much higher you will die walking, as a passenger in a car, or any of dozens of accidental deaths:

http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

 

[sze5003]

Seriously? How about slowing down at every intersection, and always assuming any car at an intersection/driveway is going to pull out in front of you, and acting accordingly. I think at least one driver pulled out in front of me on almost every single ride I ever took. I never hit any of them.

Odds are much higher you will die walking, as a passenger in a car, or any of dozens of accidental deaths:

http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

Always follow the 6 and 12 second look ahead rule

 

[Doppel]

Seriously? How about slowing down at every intersection, and always assuming any car at an intersection/driveway is going to pull out in front of you, and acting accordingly. I think at least one driver pulled out in front of me on almost every single ride I ever took. I never hit any of them.

Odds are much higher you will die walking, as a passenger in a car, or any of dozens of accidental deaths:

http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm

And there are more auto accidents than deaths from people free climbing cliffs. But you know why and I won't point it out to you.

Older riders are safer but also have a lot to lose.

All of us have different standard for what we consider excessively risky for a family man. Free climbing cliffs is there for sure for me. Making models isn't. Riding is on the fence, I'm not sure where I stand on it. Occasional riding in empty areas is fine but you are pressing your luck regularly commuting on a bike.

 

[Ventanni]

I love bikes!

I'll just never ride one. Not in Tampa.

 

[Zenmervolt]

What training is involved absorbing rear end collisions or cars t boning you at the intersection cause they ran the light? Or how about granny that forgot her bifocals and pulls out in front of you and you're already doing 60? Is there a certain way I should breathe or what?

Since you couldn't read it the last time, even though you quoted it, I'll repeat it in bold, just for you.

While it's not possible to eliminate all of the risk, the vast majority is fairly easy to deal with by getting the proper training.

As far as reducing the risks you mentioned, one of the things taught in MSF classes is to slow down for intersections and actively scan for incoming cars which might run the light. The MSF course also teaches things like stopping at intersections in such a way as to maintain escape routes, keeping the bike in gear, and watching your mirrors so that you're ready to escape to the shoulder or between lanes if you notice someone in your mirrors failing to slow down.

Again, since some people don't seem to understand this, I'm not saying that all risk is eliminated by having training. Nor am I saying that motorcycling isn't more risky than driving a car even with the most attentive rider. What I am saying though is that the vast majority (statistically, 92%) of motorcycle accidents involve people who have zero formal training and that young men, age 16-24, are substantially over-represented in motorcycle accidents while men aged 30-50 are substantially under-represented.

ZV

 

[Pinepig]

If you get kicks out of getting run off the road by a texting tween or getting radar every intersection you pass then by all means "live life brah".

Funny I have very few of those occur to me, I almost want to say never ( I'm pretty sure we have covered THAT ). Live in a fairly large area ( Sacramento ).

I'm truly grateful that I have your permission to live my life as I want, you sure you're a Texan and not a transplant from New York City or something.

 

[rumpleforeskin]

The UK Police Motorcycle Road-craft handbook is a good read. The general gist of it is that accidents are always going to happen but can be negated through better riding procedures

You've heard the "it's not you, it's the other road users" warnings?

This book is all about how to be somewhere else when "the other road user" makes his mistake

 

[roguerower]

Finally got to ride my Triple after almost 3 months of it sitting covered in the parking lot. I love my new shorty levers and bar end mirrors.

 

[Arkaign]

Finally got to ride my Triple after almost 3 months of it sitting covered in the parking lot. I love my new shorty levers and bar end mirrors.

Great great bike! Have fun and be safe!

 

[CVSiN]

Spend a week working in an ER and you wont ride a motorcycle again

nope doesn't bother me.
been riding bikes and racing bikes for 30 years.
Been down and broken bones (especially on dirt bikes) but I always wear full gear and leathers.

love bikes and will never stop riding them.

 

[imagoon]

I ride. I enjoy it. I am quite aware that when I leave, I may not come back. I am not sure what the issue is. There is risk. People die. Driving a car has a risk also. I am sure no one felt the need to remind the drivers of the 987 people that died just on the IL tollways this year about "how dangerous it is, your taking your life in to your hands."

PS I wear a full face on my Harley. I also wear pants, glove, jackets and boots.

 

[*kjm]

Don't seem to bad in WI....

"
2010 Facts and Figures
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]562 persons were killed in Wisconsin motor vehicle traffic crashes. This is an average of just over one life lost each day on Wisconsin traffic arteries.
40,889 persons were injured in 29,380 reported injury crashes and 517 fatal crashes. 3,845, or 9%, of those injured were known at the time of the crash to have sustained incapacitating injuries.
Of the 562 persons killed, 11% (54 pedestrians and 9 bicyclists) were not drivers or passengers of motor vehicles. Seventeen percent (98) were motorcycle drivers or motorcycle passengers.
Of the 562 persons killed, 39% died in alcohol-related crashes, 30% died in speed-related crashes and 16% died in crashes that involved both speed and alcohol.
Of the 340 drivers who were killed and tested for alcohol concentration, 125 drivers (37%) had an alcohol concentration of .08 or above.
47% of persons killed in passenger car and light truck crashes (for instances in which safety belt use could be determined) were not using safety restraints.
73% of all motorcyclists killed in crashes (for instances in which helmet use could be determined) were not wearing helmets.
Fifty-six percent of all crashes occurred off the state highway and Interstate systems, on county trunk and local roads. City police and county sheriffs responded to 93,703 (86%) of these crashes.
The total number of registered vehicles was 5,482,518, a 1.0% decrease over 2009.
The total number of licensed drivers was 4,114,622 a .7% increase over 2009.
The fatality rate per 100-million miles of travel was 0.95. "
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[Zivic]

Don't seem to bad in WI....

"
2010 Facts and Figures
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]562 persons were killed in Wisconsin motor vehicle traffic crashes. This is an average of just over one life lost each day on Wisconsin traffic arteries.
40,889 persons were injured in 29,380 reported injury crashes and 517 fatal crashes. 3,845, or 9%, of those injured were known at the time of the crash to have sustained incapacitating injuries.
Of the 562 persons killed, 11% (54 pedestrians and 9 bicyclists) were not drivers or passengers of motor vehicles. Seventeen percent (98) were motorcycle drivers or motorcycle passengers.
Of the 562 persons killed, 39% died in alcohol-related crashes, 30% died in speed-related crashes and 16% died in crashes that involved both speed and alcohol.
Of the 340 drivers who were killed and tested for alcohol concentration, 125 drivers (37%) had an alcohol concentration of .08 or above.
47% of persons killed in passenger car and light truck crashes (for instances in which safety belt use could be determined) were not using safety restraints.
73% of all motorcyclists killed in crashes (for instances in which helmet use could be determined) were not wearing helmets.
Fifty-six percent of all crashes occurred off the state highway and Interstate systems, on county trunk and local roads. City police and county sheriffs responded to 93,703 (86%) of these crashes.
The total number of registered vehicles was 5,482,518, a 1.0% decrease over 2009.
The total number of licensed drivers was 4,114,622 a .7% increase over 2009.
The fatality rate per 100-million miles of travel was 0.95. "
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factor in the limited number of months per yr a bike can be ridden or just by the number of miles driven per fatality, that 17% would likely look MUCH worse.

 

[JulesMaximus]

In 2010, California’s traffic fatalities decreased 11.9 percent (3,081 vs. 2,715) – reaching their lowest level since the federal government began recording traffic fatalities in 1975.

Motorcycle fatalities decreased 10.7 percent from 394 in 2009 to 352 in 2010.

So, approx 13% of traffic accident fatalities in CA were motorcyclists.

Total motorcycle registrations decreased less than one percent from 809,129 in 2009 to 808,634 in 2010. (DMV)

In 2010, 79 percent of motorcycle operators involved in fatal collisions were at fault and 57 percent of motorcycle operators involved in injury collisions were at fault.
Motorcycle fatalities per 100,000 motorcycle registrations fell from 49 in 2009 to 44 in 2010. This rate had been relatively steady, averaging 68 from 2005 through 2008.
The percentage of motorcycle operators killed with a Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) of 0.08 or greater increased from 23 percent in 2009 to 27 percent in 2010.
The percentage of motorcycle operators killed that were improperly licensed increased from 32 percent in 2009 to 33 percent in 2010.

Not really alarming numbers IMO and the fact is that if you never drink and ride, get your license and some training, and don't ride beyond your abilities that you have drastically reduced your chances of being involved in a motorcycle accident.

 

[JulesMaximus]

factor in the limited number of months per yr a bike can be ridden or just by the number of miles driven per fatality, that 17% would likely look MUCH worse.

Actually, looking at the numbers for California (we can ride year round here and there are far greater numbers of us who ride) it would seem that you are totally and completely wrong. In fact, it looks much better at only 13% of total fatalities were motorcyclists.

 

[Zargon]

I see alot of people in here trying to justifying their fear of riding motorcycles as 'smart' instead of them being too afraid

nothing wrong with being afraid, just admit it instead of trying to posture it as being 'smarter' than the rest of us

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

We are smarter. Take a look at the drivers out there currently. How many are looking down at the phone. Go out Saturday night or Sunday morning and count the drunks on the road. Now does the smart man make the choice of having a vehicle with crumple zones, airbags, 4 wheels, etc. or a motorcycle on two wheels that offers no protection to it's rider?
The chances that I would suffer a life altering injury went down dramatically the day I stopped riding.
Also try adding personal injury protection on your motorcycle policy. If you haven't done it before you will be shocked at the cost. Do you have any idea why the premium is so outrageous?

 

[tdawg]

We are smarter. Take a look at the drivers out there currently. How many are looking down at the phone. Go out Saturday night or Sunday morning and count the drunks on the road. Now does the smart man make the choice of having a vehicle with crumple zones, airbags, 4 wheels, etc. or a motorcycle on two wheels that offers no protection to it's rider?
The chances that I would suffer a life altering injury went down dramatically the day I stopped riding.
Also try adding personal injury protection on your motorcycle policy. If you haven't done it before you will be shocked at the cost. Do you have any idea why the premium is so outrageous?

Premium really depends on the bike. If you get a 600cc or liter sportbike, you're going to pay a pretty penny for coverage, compared to a standard or sport touring bike. Also, for me, the heavy hitter on cost was really collision, not personal injury protection. Right now, my 04 r6 costs the same in monthly premiums as my 1997 subaru outback with the same coverage levels (neither have collision). My 01 suzuki sv650 was almost half the monthly premium as my car.

 

[Greenman]

We are smarter. Take a look at the drivers out there currently. How many are looking down at the phone. Go out Saturday night or Sunday morning and count the drunks on the road. Now does the smart man make the choice of having a vehicle with crumple zones, airbags, 4 wheels, etc. or a motorcycle on two wheels that offers no protection to it's rider?
The chances that I would suffer a life altering injury went down dramatically the day I stopped riding.
Also try adding personal injury protection on your motorcycle policy. If you haven't done it before you will be shocked at the cost. Do you have any idea why the premium is so outrageous?

So what scared you? There was obviously some event that put the fear into you. As I recall, you used to ride a liter bike and you were all about high performance.

 

[Zivic]

Actually, looking at the numbers for California (we can ride year round here and there are far greater numbers of us who ride) it would seem that you are totally and completely wrong. In fact, it looks much better at only 13% of total fatalities were motorcyclists.

anyone can find stats at anytime to back their argument. nothing new there. I simply commented on what was posted. We get it, you are a bad@ss you ride a bike. You are fearless.