We're all on borrowed time. I say make the most of it while you're here.
I rode to work yesterday, froze my ass off too... didn't die.
We are all on borrowed time but why help speed up the process eh
We're all on borrowed time. I say make the most of it while you're here.
I rode to work yesterday, froze my ass off too... didn't die.
We are all on borrowed time but why help speed up the process eh
I don't think you understand what the term "relatively" means...
ZV
I love anti-motorcycle people.
I love motorcycle people.
They are always asking everyone to watch out for them. They have slogans like "Being a Biker is Not Illegal", "Loud Pipes Save Lives", "DILLIGAF", "YOLO", and "Look Twice Save a Life", etc.
Like we are not already trying to avoid an accident! Like they have targets on their backs and car drivers get points for running them over.
Bike riders are at a significant disadvantage of their own choosing. They move fast and are hard to see, especially at night. A car's dual headlights set them apart from all the other lights, while a single light just kinda blends into the background clutter.
When you bike riders do get in a wreck you have nothing to protect you but you choose to ride anyhow. Well good for you. Riding is fun and exciting (I know, had a bike myself when I was younger), but you must know you are choosing to take a risk.
All the idiots on their cellphones are a known constant. The only question is what you do about it.
Well, we're all going to die. I'd rather go doing something I love than live my entire life never having tried things because of fear.
A car's dual headlights set them apart from all the other lights, while a single light just kinda blends into the background clutter.
Most of the drivers on the road are simply depending on everyone else to avoid them; very few seem to take any active interest in avoiding accidents.
ZV
This.
Ignorance is bliss.
I was riding passenger once with someone when they took a right turn at a red light, right into traffic, was nuts, people were hitting brakes to avoid her. When I questioned her about it she said "Oh, they'll slow down for me". I was like WTF and never rode with her again. But this seems to be a common philosophy amongst many drivers... this "oh, they'll see me" or "everyone else should be paying attention to what Im doing." Its stupid. Its like bumping into somebody while walking and saying "Watch where Im going dammit!". Its really bad where I live because half the people on the road drive these huge friggen lifted trucks that would squish the average sedan if they'd happen to be in a collision. Having a horn is mandatory with a small car around here.
They never seem to pass up an opportunity to tell you how dangerous riding a motorcycle is...
Really? You think I'm completely unaware of the dangers of riding a motorcycle?
Usually it is someone who has never ridden a motorcycle of course. They just know someone who was killed on one once. That's the extent of their knowledge on the subject.
In case you couldn't tell, I rode my motorcycle to work today. First time I've ridden to work in about a month because it has been so chilly here.
Anyone else get this kind of static from people they work with?
Is it really "anti-motorcycle" people or just a personal choice? I know several people who ride, I've never come tell them "hey!, bikes are dangerous!", it's your business and your life, do what you like and enjoy yourself, shit, I'd probably ride myself if I could afford one, used bikes in FL are WAY overpriced..
A car is much larger and easier to see day or night, even with a burnt out headlight. A car also has running lights so the off side is not completely dark.If you have that much trouble picking out a car with a burnt out headlight then perhaps your vision just isn't good enough for you to safely drive at night.
If the background was dark you have a point, however not all motorcycles have 1000 lumen HID headlights. Some have only a single dim headlight.I've always found motorcycles much easier to see at night because it's difficult to miss 1,000 lumens from a point source on a dark background. Then again, I live in an unincorporated area, so we actually have darkness at night.
I guess what I meant was that I am always trying to avoid accidents, can't speak for everyone else.As for the rest of your post, I'm sorry, but most people simply aren't actively trying to avoid accidents. Most of the drivers I see on a daily basis are obviously distracted. I see people go straight from turn-only lanes on a weekly basis. I've had people change lanes into my Volvo (not a small car, pretty hard to miss) because they weren't paying attention (bastard fled the scene too). On no fewer than 5 occasions this summer I had people pull out directly in front of my 951, a bright red car that ought to be almost impossible to overlook. In fact, in my 15+ years of riding motorcycles, I've had orders of magnitude more close calls from people who didn't see my car than from people who didn't see my bike.
Most of the drivers on the road are simply depending on everyone else to avoid them; very few seem to take any active interest in avoiding accidents.
ZV
If the background was dark you have a point, however not all motorcycles have 1000 lumen HID headlights. Some have only a single dim headlight.
The point here is still the same. If all these distracted drivers are a known constant what matters is what you do about it. If you can't change the world, you must change how you respond to the world. One way is to get a 4 wheel vehicle with some metal around you. Maybe some seat-belts, airbags, anti-lock brakes and most important 4 wheels so you won't tip over. My car has never thrown me on the ground but some of my 2 wheeled vehicles have...
The other way is to put yourself at more risk by riding around on a fun but dangerous motorcycle. A vehicle that lacks a crumple zone (your face is a crumple zone on a bike) and lacks most or all those other safety features I mentioned...
Odds are much higher you will die walking, as a passenger in a car, or any of dozens of accidental deaths:
http://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm
Yeah, that isn't really what happened.
The thread started with a post claiming to "love" anti-motorcycle people while acknowledging that motorcycles are dangerous and that motorcycle riders already know this: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34513954&postcount=1
Then we got a lesson about bread: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34516597&postcount=46
Then we get told that cars are more dangerous than motorcycles: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34517302&postcount=67
Then we are told the same thing again:
So it seems some of you riders know riding is dangerous and accept the risk but perhaps wish the streets were safer and if this is the case I have little to argue about.
OTOH it seems some of you riders believe that because some riders get off lucky, riding is not any more dangerous that driving or walking. If this is you than you need a reality check.
I'm pretty sure not all of you are. Did you not read WM2's posts?
Actually I just did. It shows that walking, being a car passenger, falls, passenger in a pickup, and death due to accidental injury among others are more dangerous than a riding a motorcycle.
exactlyNo, they show that more people die in those manners.
Without correcting the death rate to deaths per hour of use, those numbers don't tell us anything about the relative danger of those events.
ZV
No, they show that more people die in those manners.
Without correcting the death rate to deaths per hour of use, those numbers don't tell us anything about the relative danger of those events.
ZV