I love CPAC

[fskimospy]

If there's a location for more thoroughly distilled insanity than CPAC I'm not aware of it. This year's panels include:

"Does the U.S. Congress Matter Anymore? Executive Orders AND the Hopelessness of EVER Curtailing Federal Spending"

"IRS Targeting Scandal: Protecting the Voice of the People, Sponsored by Tea Party Patriots"

"Healthcare After ObamaCare: A Practical Guide for Living When No One Has Insurance and America Runs Out of Doctors (Part 1)"

"What's the Deal with Global Warming?"

"Rocky Mountain High: Does Legalized Pot Mean Society's Going Up In Smoke?"

"When the Fed Stops Building and the Mint Stops Printing: Rebuilding the American Economy After a Real Crash"

And yes, those are the real panel names.

It is an amazing mix of delusion, paranoia, and ignorance, but it also provides some pretty good insight into just how the ultra right views things. That insight is frightening. How do you engage with people who think the ACA will lead to the end of insurance and no more doctors in the US? How do you even get back to some basic understanding of reality for them?

 

[michal1980]

just when you were making sense your back in moonbeam land.

 

[brycejones]

just when you were making sense your back in moonbeam land.

So you think the OP is reading to much into these topics? Is there a special decoder ring we should be using?

 

[fskimospy]

just when you were making sense your back in moonbeam land.

Yeah, those topics are totally normal and not insane.

What?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

just when you were making sense your back in moonbeam land.

So you think CPAC is moonbeam land? Ding ding ding....correct answer!

http://www.cpac.org/schedule-events

Because those are the names of their talks.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

 

[Newell Steamer]

Future CPAC panels:

"Have the women in your life had 'multi-cultural' experiences?"

"Rape and other made up things by liberals"

"Vaccinations - how the government uses them to further water down the hardworking genes of America"

"Knock-knock-knocking on death's door: How asking for directions is actually the 1st step in a plotted home invasion"

"Loud music - ear cancer related deaths are serious,.. don't allow yourself to be exposed. Free pizza to follow."

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ha I just checked in on CPACs live feed and I heard "Republicans and Black Ministers have similar views on redemption.....we should express that more"

 

[Moonbeam]

It is an amazing mix of delusion, paranoia, and ignorance, but it also provides some pretty good insight into just how the ultra right views things. That insight is frightening. How do you engage with people who think the ACA will lead to the end of insurance and no more doctors in the US? How do you even get back to some basic understanding of reality for them?

I will comment on your questions. If by engage you mean have a rational-seeking discussion of matters like the ACA, I believe they are deep into the thicket of madness, and can't be reached. But that is because they do not want to be reached. They have chosen the safety of madness over the pain of reality. They have identified with a style of programmed thought that was once a past cultural norm, and comforts the ego in substitution for lost feelings or real self respect. I believe this culture is part of the culture of civil war defeat, the bitter recriminations and self assurance that is created by losing a war. War destroys, and a civil war destroys unity, the sense that we are all one American people.

But the history of this, while it would make a fascinating study, deserving of more time, effort, and scholarship and insight than I have, is also a huge topic rather unmanageable here.

The point I want to make, is that however ones sense of self loathing is created, the methodology is being put down as children, and being made to feel inferior to somebody else, such that the qualities of that somebody else, the perfect example of what one is supposed to be becomes amorphously assimilated as an idea. I say vague because no real standard for what the normal ideal person a child is supposed to become exists. You get punished for this behavior and punished for that and just grow up with the fear you will fail to be some illusive ideal person.

The important point is that once a child understands that it can and does deviate from perfection, creating the wrath of its parents, it abandons its natural personhood and seeks to please by conforming to some magical illusive ideal. The child loses its true self and becomes a token being, a member of some external standard from which it can draw security. We conform to survive and we have to in order to end our psychic torment.

So the important thing about this, is that the insanity you see in CPAC types isn't actually their fault nor is it something they can willfully change. In order to really change, they have both to see the process that created them and re-experience the pain that created their delusional condition. The generally accepted way I see this happening is for people to bottom out. I think we can see that happening today. It's why you say, 'the insight is frightening'.

The deeper into madness they sink, the more they will terrify each other and thus themselves. And the more terrified they become the faster they will sink. Hopefully, it's a plague that burns itself out as culture death. And every child born in a mad culture is born fresh. There are always those who escape the program and inhabit the real world and take the red pill.

As to "How do you even get back to some basic understanding of reality for them?", I believe you do that by doing it yourself. The only person any of us can change is ourselves, and as I pointed out, it ain't easy. It requires that you love the other because in the other we see what we are terrified to see in ourselves. When one loves the other one can love oneself. And I also believe that those rare folk who truly do love the other, to them and them alone, is given the knowledge of what to do. I myself have no idea.

I try to provide a mirror in which our insanity is reflected. I try to help people see how they feel by how they feel about me. I try to turn ape shit into a few dozen roses I can sell on my little garden plot I have here. This post may bring a few contributions.

It is very encouraging to me that you have the questions you do. They badly need answers.

 

[feralkid]

"When the Fed Stops Building and the Mint Stops Printing: Rebuilding the American Economy After a Real Crash"

So the last one they put us through was just a practice crash?

 

[brycejones]

So the last one they put us through was just a practice crash?

Yes, since there was no armed revolution it wasn't a real crash.

 

[Moonbeam]

So the last one they put us through was just a practice crash?

You are not asking a question. You are projecting a delusional belief. You already think you know the answer and are looking only for it. You are not capable of a rational discussion because your tea cup is full of shit.

 

[Atreus21]

If there's a location for more thoroughly distilled insanity than CPAC I'm not aware of it. This year's panels include:

"Does the U.S. Congress Matter Anymore? Executive Orders AND the Hopelessness of EVER Curtailing Federal Spending"

"IRS Targeting Scandal: Protecting the Voice of the People, Sponsored by Tea Party Patriots"

"Healthcare After ObamaCare: A Practical Guide for Living When No One Has Insurance and America Runs Out of Doctors (Part 1)"

"What's the Deal with Global Warming?"

"Rocky Mountain High: Does Legalized Pot Mean Society's Going Up In Smoke?"

"When the Fed Stops Building and the Mint Stops Printing: Rebuilding the American Economy After a Real Crash"

And yes, those are the real panel names.

It is an amazing mix of delusion, paranoia, and ignorance, but it also provides some pretty good insight into just how the ultra right views things. That insight is frightening. How do you engage with people who think the ACA will lead to the end of insurance and no more doctors in the US? How do you even get back to some basic understanding of reality for them?

This might come as a surprise, but only the bolded one really makes me roll my eyes.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

and here is another, I challenge anyone to try this at their next work function:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/06/cpac-latest-developments/?hpt=hp_t2

 

[feralkid]

You are not asking a question. You are projecting a delusional belief. You already think you know the answer and are looking only for it. You are not capable of a rational discussion because your tea cup is full of shit.

Believing that Republican policies contributed to the recent tanking of our economy is a delusional belief?





?

 

[Fern]

Shrug, all those topics seem, well, topical. Maybe you object to the way they're phrased?

The only topic that stands out for it's absence is Russia/Ukraine/Crimea, but I assume they put together their agenda prior to that flaring up.

Fern

 

[thraashman]

Future CPAC panels:

"Have the women in your life had 'multi-cultural' experiences?"

"Rape and other made up things by liberals"

"Vaccinations - how the government uses them to further water down the hardworking genes of America"

"Knock-knock-knocking on death's door: How asking for directions is actually the 1st step in a plotted home invasion"

"Loud music - ear cancer related deaths are serious,.. don't allow yourself to be exposed. Free pizza to follow."

A few more.

"Standing ground. How to kill unarmed minorities and not get convicted of murder."

"Why using veterans and victims of military sexual assault as hostages to get our way is a good idea."

"Benghazi. Why it's ok to lie about if the lie makes Obama look bad."

"Illegally leaking classified information. Good for me if it's bad for Obama." - hosted by Darrell Issa

"Attacking Russia and why WW3 might be good for the economy." co-hosted by John McCain and Lindsey Graham

"The Keystone pipeline and why the environment can just go fuck itself."

"Squeezing blood from a stone. How the lower 50% just don't give enough."

"Diets are good for you, Americans eat too much anyway. Why cutting food stamps is good for the poor."

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I wish the GOP would focus on more important high gain issues. To me gun control, ACA, min wage, can someone choose not to serve a gay person are all distractions the high gain issues are mental health, keeping guns in the correct peoples hands, how can healthcare be improved, what are we/can we be doing to spur long term job growth.

stuff for both parties:
Jobs
Tax reform
What went wrong with the IRS (I know Congress didn't do its job properly to begin with but lets understand no more dodging and finger pointing)
Campaign reform/how has Citizens United changed our elections and is this what voters want

 

[HomerJS]

Remember when CPAC had a forum to fight the stereotype conservatives are racist and racism broke out?!! Stellar!

As a side note I would pay to attend CPAC to watch Neil DeGrasse Tyson vs creationalists/intelligent designers.

Oh the blank stares and looks of bewilderment along with disapproval.

 

[thraashman]

Remember when CPAC had a forum to fight the stereotype conservatives are racist and racism broke out?!! Stellar!

As a side note I would pay to attend CPAC to watch Neil DeGrasse Tyson vs creationalists/intelligent designers.

Oh the blank stares and looks of bewilderment along with disapproval.

I don't know if it was in that forum but my favorite was something that I think happened last year. Where someone in a panel made a comment about how blacks should have been thankful to slave owners for all the free food and housing they were given.

 

[DominionSeraph]

A few more.

"Standing ground. How to kill unarmed minorities and not get convicted of murder."

Correction:
Standing ground: How to deal with "those types" who aren't where they belong.

Standing ground pt. 2: How to assert your right of free movement.

 

[Atreus21]

"Standing ground. How to kill unarmed minorities and not get convicted of murder."

Boy. You guys just aren't going to let this go. If the OP is interested in labeling us as deluded, he might apply the same eye to you guys' complete obsession with this.

 

[thraashman]

Boy. You guys just aren't going to let this go. If the OP is interested in labeling us as deluded, he might apply the same eye to you guys' complete obsession with this.

If some of the more insane on the right would stop defending it every time a white man guns down an innocent black kid. Go read up on the Jordan Davis thread and you'll see what true delusion is.

 

[Vic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXU8w336oGs

 

[Atreus21]

If some of the more insane on the right would stop defending it every time a white man guns down an innocent black kid. Go read up on the Jordan Davis thread and you'll see what true delusion is.

I don't know much about the Jordan Davis shooting. I thought you were talking about Trayvon.