I Love Immigrants

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Becasue no human is illegal, think about it long and hard Dave. Think about that as a american and throughout history of our country,

And if you are calling me a republican you are a fool, I have never voted for a con and very rarely voted for a dem. (I can think of 3 off the top of my head and only one of them was for president becasue bush is so bad.)

Yeah sure, let's bring all of Mexico in here. :roll:

You afraid of those savvy latin lovers all over our pure wimmin huh? Sorry! :laugh:

Wow you actually had a point till this drivel diarrhea of the mouth. Now noone will take you seriously.

I'm all for working hard and changing your life, but not sneaking across borders. It's cowardly to have someone else support you, it's blatant stealing, intentional or not. And I'll be damned if my taxes go to supporting some illegal immigrant, if anything my taxes should be going to a better system to deter (and kill if necessary) illegals at the border.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot



Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

"Racist" laws? Where does the law specifically target a specific race? The illegal aliens are violating a broad immigration law.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Gand1
ANd does no one here want to approach the health care issues? If half this countries own people are having problems affording health care and are taxing hospital emergency rooms, what will 12 mill more people do to the hospitals then? You know none of the illegals have health care.

The illegals have no health care yet they clog emergency rooms aroung here when they become ill or injured. And emergency room care is the most expensive medical care there is.

As 1EZduzit mentioned above, it's not immigration that people are against. It's ILLEGAL immigration that the vast majority of Americans are against.

What part of I-L-L-E-G-A-L don't you people understand?

Simple there is no I-L-L-E-G-A-L humans saying so is a hypocritical stance that is being thrown around to play off peoples jealousy.

that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. They are illegal immigrants because they're de facto trespassing on the U.S. land.

Saying things like "there are no illgal humans" is akin to the supertrooper's line "you can't own water, man. It's god's water". Sounds great when you're high, but then you come down and realize it doesn't even come close to making any sense.

Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

Hah you just totally flew off on some faux-racist hippie tangent. Come back when you have something intelligent to say...

faux-hippie? no I am a american and it is you all who are acting like spoiled brats with our country.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot



Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

"Racist" laws? Where does the law specifically target a specific race? The illegal aliens are violating a broad immigration law.

Yes, the immigration laws are set up to mainly give access to western europeans since quotas were introduced, with no regard for migration. Nothing less then KKK insipired racial superiority, why do you think we are in such a situation in the first place? They are unrealistic and unamerican to the core.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: EatSpam
I'd be hurting if I lost my job. Just because I'm white, doesn't mean I'm rich or that I got rich off the backs of someone less fortunate.

Err... yea it kinda does. You would be rich even if you lost your job because you would own more wealth in posessions than most people in this world will ever earn in thier lives. And all Americans and Europeans (to some degree) got rich off the back of empire and slavery.

I can't help it that we have an overvalued currency. And don't worry, I'll get mine. Guys like Steeplerot and George W. Bush are working tirelessly to fvck over white middle class types like myself.

So because you label yourself middle class you think you own this continent and it gives you the right to deny history and justify racist laws, sure.

This forum is pretty pathetic sometimes, you all really need to lay off the tv and use your own heads sometimes, every one of you all are taking the most selfish xenophobic hardline stance being played there is.

I never claimed to own the continent, but this is my country, by virtue of the Constitution. I'd like to see you walk into China or Mexico and declare that they don't own their country like you do here. They'd probably throw you in prison. We, along with all the other nations of the world, have this concept called sovereignty, you know.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Gand1
ANd does no one here want to approach the health care issues? If half this countries own people are having problems affording health care and are taxing hospital emergency rooms, what will 12 mill more people do to the hospitals then? You know none of the illegals have health care.

The illegals have no health care yet they clog emergency rooms aroung here when they become ill or injured. And emergency room care is the most expensive medical care there is.

As 1EZduzit mentioned above, it's not immigration that people are against. It's ILLEGAL immigration that the vast majority of Americans are against.

What part of I-L-L-E-G-A-L don't you people understand?

Simple there is no I-L-L-E-G-A-L humans saying so is a hypocritical stance that is being thrown around to play off peoples jealousy.

that's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. They are illegal immigrants because they're de facto trespassing on the U.S. land.

Saying things like "there are no illgal humans" is akin to the supertrooper's line "you can't own water, man. It's god's water". Sounds great when you're high, but then you come down and realize it doesn't even come close to making any sense.

Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

Hah you just totally flew off on some faux-racist hippie tangent. Come back when you have something intelligent to say...

faux-hippie? no I am a american and it is you all who are acting like spoiled brats with our country.

Good for you,I happen to be a czech citizen and a LEGAL immigrant in the U.S. I'm really no different than all legal immigrants from cuba, but i guess those old white men's racist laws are only racists toward mexican hispanics and not cubans.

Strangely enough, though, I know of czech (white western eropeans) that got deported from the United States for overstaying visa and being here illegally. Man, those old racists laws sure can't make up their minds, huh?

Ooooh i know i know, maybe those old racist laws are actually only racist towards people that are illegally staying the US...regardless of their race. That seems to correlate the most with reality :roll:

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: EatSpam
I'd be hurting if I lost my job. Just because I'm white, doesn't mean I'm rich or that I got rich off the backs of someone less fortunate.

Err... yea it kinda does. You would be rich even if you lost your job because you would own more wealth in posessions than most people in this world will ever earn in thier lives. And all Americans and Europeans (to some degree) got rich off the back of empire and slavery.

I can't help it that we have an overvalued currency. And don't worry, I'll get mine. Guys like Steeplerot and George W. Bush are working tirelessly to fvck over white middle class types like myself.

So because you label yourself middle class you think you own this continent and it gives you the right to deny history and justify racist laws, sure.

This forum is pretty pathetic sometimes, you all really need to lay off the tv and use your own heads sometimes, every one of you all are taking the most selfish xenophobic hardline stance being played there is.

I never claimed to own the continent, but this is my country, by virtue of the Constitution. I'd like to see you walk into China or Mexico and declare that they don't own their country like you do here. They'd probably throw you in prison. We, along with all the other nations of the world, have this concept called sovereignty, you know.

And we did not get to where we are now by being world elitests, china is a totalitarian sh1thole, why even bother comparing? your false borders are not realistic obviously and now we have a bunch of economic refugees because of old racist laws, now are are a the point where we have to decide if we are going to be historiclly americans or if you going to support discrimination.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot



Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

"Racist" laws? Where does the law specifically target a specific race? The illegal aliens are violating a broad immigration law.

Yes, the immigration laws are set up to mainly give access to western europeans since quotas were introduced, with no regard for migration. Nothing less then KKK insipired racial superiority, why do you think we are in such a situation in the first place? They are unrealistic and unamerican to the core.

Care to elaborate? What you just explained is not racist, unless you think these European Nations are comprised of a single race? They have almsot as much diversity in their population as we do...

Are there quotas on specific countries like Mexico? If so, is their quoto significantly smaller than a European nation's?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: halik


Good for you,I happen to be a czech citizen and a LEGAL immigrant in the U.S. It's really no different than all legal immigrants from cuba, but i guess those old white men's racist laws are only racists toward mexican hispanics and not cubans.

Cubans they made a exception for as it fits into our imperialist agenda. We let all the gangsters corrupt buddies come here to hopefully let them go home once castro is gone to set shop back up, cubans are not "permenent" in the eyes of national policy, they are a pawn.

 

[SP33Demon]

There is nothing discriminatory about supporting thieves, like the OP clearly does. An illegal is a thief, plain and simple. There is nothing "honorable" about stealing.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot



Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

"Racist" laws? Where does the law specifically target a specific race? The illegal aliens are violating a broad immigration law.

Yes, the immigration laws are set up to mainly give access to western europeans since quotas were introduced, with no regard for migration. Nothing less then KKK insipired racial superiority, why do you think we are in such a situation in the first place? They are unrealistic and unamerican to the core.

Care to elaborate? What you just explained is not racist, unless you think these European Nations are comprised of a single race? They have almsot as much diversity in their population as we do...

Are there quotas on specific countries like Mexico? If so, is their quoto significantly smaller than a European nation's?

Quota act of 1921 and the KKK's influence regarding white "stock" of america.

http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/facult...dgson/Courses/so11/Race/quota_acts.htm

Our system is unrealistly set up based on a bunk report written by clansmen in the 1920's, a time when the original KKK minutemen patrolled the borders, and here we are again, this time people are not aware that they are defending the KKK's values themselves when they say "they are illegal" since so much time has passed.

Millions of people realize this and this forum has a lot of peeps buying the crap off tv fearing you with statistics to provide a cheap cover for discrimination.

 

[jlbenedict]

Did you know?

28.0% of all Federal inmates are non-US citizens.
31.7% of all Federal inmates are of Hispanic ethnicity
16.9% of all Federal inmates hold a native citizenship of the country of Mexico


** Statistics as of March 2006 **

 

[BBond]

This has nothing to do with racism and people recognize that fact. This has to do with the MASS breaking of EXISTING immigration law by people who happen to share a common border with the USA. That's why the reaction against this ILLEGAL invasion and theft of jobs and services is so strong. These ILLEGAL immigrants are hurting themselves more by claiming false racism as they did by ILLEGALLY marching through the streets of major US cities carrying the flags of other nations.

Nothing is going to change America's mind on this subject because, no matter how the ILLEGAL immigrants and their proponents try to frame it, it's a simple matter of people ILLEGALLY entering our country to take jobs and services that are not theirs to take.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BBond
This has nothing to do with racism and people recognize that fact. This has to do with the MASS breaking of EXISTING immigration law by people who happen to share a common border with the USA. That's why the reaction against this ILLEGAL invasion and theft of jobs and services is so strong. These ILLEGAL immigrants are hurting themselves more by claiming false racism as they did by ILLEGALLY marching through the streets of major US cities carrying the flags of other nations.

Nothing is going to change America's mind on this subject because, no matter how the ILLEGAL immigrants and their proponents try to frame it, it's a simple matter of people ILLEGALLY entering our country to take jobs and services that are not theirs to take.

It really does not matter, it is a issue of discrimination and racism plain and simple, there is one group that claims they are being attacked by new american workers and they are nothing less then WHITES here, usually from areas without a large immigrant population, it is painfully obvious that you all do not know how hard these people work to make new lives and cast them aside becasue you are scared of what you do not understand and this crap on TV plays your own jealousy of something that is being taken from you instead of looking at it rationally and the big picture.
There is no way possible they could even to this anyhow, we would royally screw our workforce, it is more fearmongering and playing the worst jealously card to stir up a distraction and trouble just like they do with the war. This is all a giant herring.

 

[jbaggins]

Americans benefit from the 'brain drain' of other countries. They brought over tens of thousands of talented Indian and other Asian engineers and doctors to this country, obviously having a negative effect on their native countries. The powers that be want THOSE immigrants.

But then they complain when they get the poor, sick, and weak. This nation was founded on those people. Even the statue of Liberty states " bring me your poor, weak, etc."

You can't get the creme de la creme of nations and then b*tch when you get the uneducated poor ones. With immigration is a mixed bag.

thats my .02

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot



Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

"Racist" laws? Where does the law specifically target a specific race? The illegal aliens are violating a broad immigration law.

Yes, the immigration laws are set up to mainly give access to western europeans since quotas were introduced, with no regard for migration. Nothing less then KKK insipired racial superiority, why do you think we are in such a situation in the first place? They are unrealistic and unamerican to the core.

Please stop pulling the race card. (bolded) This has NOTHING to do with race, wow people amaze me every day. Nobody has a problem with the race of an immigrant, the crux of the problem is that they got here illegally and are stealing from us. Do you know what stealing is?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot



Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

"Racist" laws? Where does the law specifically target a specific race? The illegal aliens are violating a broad immigration law.

Yes, the immigration laws are set up to mainly give access to western europeans since quotas were introduced, with no regard for migration. Nothing less then KKK insipired racial superiority, why do you think we are in such a situation in the first place? They are unrealistic and unamerican to the core.

Please stop pulling the race card. (bolded) This has NOTHING to do with race, wow people amaze me every day. Nobody has a problem with the race of an immigrant, the crux of the problem is that they got here illegally and are stealing from us. Do you know what stealing is?

Noone is stealing from anybody, whites here are the one getting the sweet deal, if anything the immigrants are the ones being taken advantage of and then have a racist group of people attack them for being loyal hardworking americans.

The whole "stealing from us" thing is the oldest klanner trick in the book to stir up ignitation in the whites against immigration and history shows immigration has NEVER hurt america..EVER.

Yet every time the klan get a foothold in public opinion throughout history they play this game with people fearmongering them into thinking someone is being ripped off -noone wants to be ripped off, everyone is always watching behind there back, but it is our greed for what is ours that make us loose our better judgement into what is the rational thing to do as americans.

 

[jbaggins]

There is absolutely no doubt that without non white anglo-saxon immigrants America would not be near what it is today. Immigration is the reason we are a highly successful nation. Think about it for a second: No Jews running our financial markets, no Indian doctors, no Indian/Chinese programmers in the Silicone Valley, no Mexican laborers, no Indian/Chinese engineers, no Black entertainment (music, sports, comedy). Man, this would be one DULL and EXPENSIVE nation without immigration.

 

[lozina]

Steeplerot, I think I see where you're coming from.

You are stuck on this idea of KKK influenced quotas and are arguing a case that has already been argued back in the 1960's. Basically, you are brining back an argument from history which has already been won. It is no longer like this today.

Please read this page

for the UPDATED immigration laws, specifically :

Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of October 3, 1965 (79 Statutes-at-Large 911)

Provisions:

1. Abolished the national origins quota system (see the Immigration Act of 1924 and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952), eliminating national origin, race, or ancestry as a basis for immigration to the United States.
2. Established allocation of immigrant visas on a first come, first served basis, subject to a seven-category preference system for relatives of U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens (for the reunification of families) and for persons with special occupational skills, abilities, or training (needed in the United States).

Amended by:

So again, what you are arguing for has already been fixed long time ago. Today it's a whole other issue. It's about illegal aliens who are in fact a drain on our society. Many of them are clogging up our prisons and draining our welfare system and our healthcare system. And they don't always come from Mexico.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot



Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

"Racist" laws? Where does the law specifically target a specific race? The illegal aliens are violating a broad immigration law.

Yes, the immigration laws are set up to mainly give access to western europeans since quotas were introduced, with no regard for migration. Nothing less then KKK insipired racial superiority, why do you think we are in such a situation in the first place? They are unrealistic and unamerican to the core.

Please stop pulling the race card. (bolded) This has NOTHING to do with race, wow people amaze me every day. Nobody has a problem with the race of an immigrant, the crux of the problem is that they got here illegally and are stealing from us. Do you know what stealing is?

Noone is stealing from anybody, whites here are the one getting the sweet deal, if anything the immigrants are the ones being taken advantage of and then have a racist group of people attack them for being loyal hardworking americans.

The whole "stealing from us" thing is the oldest klanner trick in the book to stir up ignitation in the whites against immigration and history shows immigration has NEVER hurt america..EVER.

Yet every time the klan get a foothold in public opinion throughout history they play this game with people fearmongering them into thinking someone is being ripped off -noone wants to be ripped off, everyone is always watching behind there back, but it is our greed for what is ours that make us loose our better judgement into what is the rational thing to do as americans.

You keep bringing up the clan, this has nothing to do with race. Why do you keep bringing that up? This has nothing to do with a white vs minorities thing, hell I'm a minority. For example, there are 50,000 illegal Irish immigrants and I'm for making them felons if they can't go through the legal process of becoming a citizen.

Please explain how it's not stealing when the taxes I pay are going toward schooling and medical care for people who couldn't go through the legal process of becoming a citizen of the country?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina
Steeplerot, I think I see where you're coming from.

You are stuck on this idea of KKK influenced quotas and are arguing a case that has already been argued back in the 1960's. Basically, you are brining back an argument from history which has already been won. It is no longer like this today.

Please read this page

for the UPDATED immigration laws, specifically :

Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of October 3, 1965 (79 Statutes-at-Large 911)

Provisions:

1. Abolished the national origins quota system (see the Immigration Act of 1924 and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952), eliminating national origin, race, or ancestry as a basis for immigration to the United States.
2. Established allocation of immigrant visas on a first come, first served basis, subject to a seven-category preference system for relatives of U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens (for the reunification of families) and for persons with special occupational skills, abilities, or training (needed in the United States).

Amended by:

So again, what you are arguing for has already been fixed long time ago. Today it's a whole other issue. It's about illegal aliens who are in fact a drain on our society. Many of them are clogging up our prisons and draining our welfare system and our healthcare system. And they don't always come from Mexico.

It has been reformed from its roots but it is still a limited intake based system unrealisticly small, still doesent change the bigger problem and the effect is still with us. The 1921 act set the stage, and here we are now.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina
Steeplerot, I think I see where you're coming from.

You are stuck on this idea of KKK influenced quotas and are arguing a case that has already been argued back in the 1960's. Basically, you are brining back an argument from history which has already been won. It is no longer like this today.

Please read this page

for the UPDATED immigration laws, specifically :

Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of October 3, 1965 (79 Statutes-at-Large 911)

Provisions:

1. Abolished the national origins quota system (see the Immigration Act of 1924 and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952), eliminating national origin, race, or ancestry as a basis for immigration to the United States.
2. Established allocation of immigrant visas on a first come, first served basis, subject to a seven-category preference system for relatives of U.S. citizens and permanent resident aliens (for the reunification of families) and for persons with special occupational skills, abilities, or training (needed in the United States).

Amended by:

So again, what you are arguing for has already been fixed long time ago. Today it's a whole other issue. It's about illegal aliens who are in fact a drain on our society. Many of them are clogging up our prisons and draining our welfare system and our healthcare system. And they don't always come from Mexico.

It has been reformed from its roots but it is still a quota based system unrealisticly small, still doesent change the bigger problem and the effect is still with us.

It has a quota yes, but it is first come first serve basis.

There is no grounds for you to accuse it of being 'racist'.

And the currently ammended quote is quite large: 675,000 people

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

This is complete lunacy. You have no other perspective than illegal aliens="sugar, spice and everything nice", while at the same time painting anything to with the citizens of the US, or the rational goal of protecting our borders, with a broad brush dipped in sewage. The sad thing is that I knew from the childish, hyper-emotional, brain-dead nature of the initial post that you wouldn't tolerate any contrary opinons, much less hard fact.

Next you'll be calling anyone here who disagrees with you "baby Hitler's", or some other such twaddle. :disgust:

 

[SP33Demon]

OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

You are not "suffering" look at OP, I for one have plenty and do not feel I am "suffering" I am sure if you looked into what is really going on it is greed of the insurance industry that has been rampant latley and not our immigrants who pay taxes too mainly, another red herring to make you feel used and justify discrimination.