I Love Immigrants

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

This is complete lunacy. You have no other perspective than illegal aliens="sugar, spice and everything nice", while at the same time painting anything to with the citizens of the US, or the rational goal of protecting our borders, with a broad brush dipped in sewage. The sad thing is that I knew from the childish, hyper-emotional, brain-dead nature of the initial post that you wouldn't tolerate any contrary opinons, much less hard fact.

Next you'll be calling anyone here who disagrees with you "baby Hitler's", or some other such twaddle. :disgust:

Protecting borders is a different story then workers, it was said before in aother thread, mexicans did not knock over the WTC, they BUILT it. The fearmongering is pointed once again at the easiest to scapegoat.

And yes, our immigrant population are a good thing, matter of fact there is real hope for america in them just as all our immigrants who came here to work hard.

And yes, the discrimination and hate to our most taken advantage of working class and scapegoating our problems on them is worthy of nothing less then being paintd with a broad brush dipped in sewage as you so eloquently put it.

If you dont want to be part of america, then ship the statue back already and lets just be a country of dying white population until we get taken out mostly by our own stupidity and greed to others.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

You are not "suffering" look at OP, I for one have plenty and do not feel I am "suffering" I am sure if you looked into what is really going on it is greed of the insurance industry that has been rampant latley and not our immigrants who pay taxes too mainly, another red herring to make you feel used and justify discrimination.

Speak for yourself, I'm suffering and have been for a long time. The last thing we need in my area is more cheap labor. Either they come here legally or they don't come here at all and by legally I mean they will eventually become full fledged American citizens.

Guest workers??? Why don't they call it what it really is, workers afraid to question anything there told.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

You are not "suffering" look at OP, I for one have plenty and do not feel I am "suffering" I am sure if you looked into what is really going on it is greed of the insurance industry that has been rampant latley and not our immigrants who pay taxes too mainly, another red herring to make you feel used and justify discrimination.

Immigrants pay sales tax, so you say they pay taxes ROFL. Whatever you say dude.

Yes litigation/malpractice, people getting FATTER, and people popping a pill for every little problem they have in life have all contributed to higher premiums. But to say that immigration doesn't ADD to this increase is just plain ignorance.

First come, first serve. Wait in line, if others did it, why can't you? My mom did.

And yes, I am suffering. My school loans and rent aren't getting any cheaper.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

This is complete lunacy. You have no other perspective than illegal aliens="sugar, spice and everything nice", while at the same time painting anything to with the citizens of the US, or the rational goal of protecting our borders, with a broad brush dipped in sewage. The sad thing is that I knew from the childish, hyper-emotional, brain-dead nature of the initial post that you wouldn't tolerate any contrary opinons, much less hard fact.

Next you'll be calling anyone here who disagrees with you "baby Hitler's", or some other such twaddle. :disgust:

Protecting borders is a different story then workers, it was said before in aother thread, mexicans did not knock over the WTC, they BUILT it. The fearmongering is pointed once again at the easiest to scapegoat.

That's about as strong an argument as saying our country was built by the Chinese building our railroads, and blacks with slave labor. Try again.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

You are not "suffering" look at OP, I for one have plenty and do not feel I am "suffering" I am sure if you looked into what is really going on it is greed of the insurance industry that has been rampant latley and not our immigrants who pay taxes too mainly, another red herring to make you feel used and justify discrimination.

Immigrants pay sales tax, so you say they pay taxes ROFL. Whatever you say dude.

Yes litigation/malpractice, people getting FATTER, and people popping a pill for every little problem they have in life have all contributed to higher premiums. But to say that immigration doesn't ADD to this increase is just plain ignorance.

First come, first serve. Wait in line, if others did it, why can't you? My mom did.

Yes, they contribute billions in taxes and do not even ask for refunds, so actually it is you using peoples money and then spitting in their face as they toil endlessly behind the scenes spoiling a bunch of spoiled americans like you now that you got yours.

You already got your citizenship and think you are superior class somehow? hah.

All you have is paper and a loophole, they have papers too and far less benefits then you have, you make this country look selfish and how we have forgetten what made this country strong becasue of your selfishness.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

You are not "suffering" look at OP, I for one have plenty and do not feel I am "suffering" I am sure if you looked into what is really going on it is greed of the insurance industry that has been rampant latley and not our immigrants who pay taxes too mainly, another red herring to make you feel used and justify discrimination.

Immigrants pay sales tax, so you say they pay taxes ROFL. Whatever you say dude.

Yes litigation/malpractice, people getting FATTER, and people popping a pill for every little problem they have in life have all contributed to higher premiums. But to say that immigration doesn't ADD to this increase is just plain ignorance.

First come, first serve. Wait in line, if others did it, why can't you? My mom did.

Yes, they contribute billions in taxes and do not even ask for refunds, so actually it is you using peoples money and then spitting in their face as they toil endlessly behind the scenes spoiling a bunch of spoiled americans like you.

If you want to split hairs, I'd wager that the sales tax they pay is less than Federal + State tax. Wanna bet? My best friend is an accountant. Pick any amount of money they spend in a year.

Also, we have a term for people who duck out on paying taxes... and yes, people go to prison for it.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

You are not "suffering" look at OP, I for one have plenty and do not feel I am "suffering" I am sure if you looked into what is really going on it is greed of the insurance industry that has been rampant latley and not our immigrants who pay taxes too mainly, another red herring to make you feel used and justify discrimination.

Immigrants pay sales tax, so you say they pay taxes ROFL. Whatever you say dude.

Yes litigation/malpractice, people getting FATTER, and people popping a pill for every little problem they have in life have all contributed to higher premiums. But to say that immigration doesn't ADD to this increase is just plain ignorance.

First come, first serve. Wait in line, if others did it, why can't you? My mom did.

Yes, they contribute billions in taxes and do not even ask for refunds, so actually it is you using peoples money and then spitting in their face as they toil endlessly behind the scenes spoiling a bunch of spoiled americans like you.

If you want to split hairs, I'd wager that the sales tax they pay is less than Federal + State tax. Wanna bet? My best friend is an accountant. Pick any amount of money they spend in a year.

Also, we have a term for people who duck out on paying taxes... and yes, people go to prison for it.

It is far too hard to find under the table jobs, most pay taxes like you do in reality.
You obviously do not know many immigrants and how they work, a big problem as all you people talking this trash have no clue about the subject except rumors from tv.

Except they do not file returns like you have the luxury of doing.

 

[spunkz]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

You are not "suffering" look at OP, I for one have plenty and do not feel I am "suffering" I am sure if you looked into what is really going on it is greed of the insurance industry that has been rampant latley and not our immigrants who pay taxes too mainly, another red herring to make you feel used and justify discrimination.

LOL @ discrimination. trying to make yourself look like the good guy, trying to end discrimination. good thing you only use this argument with illegal immigrants, though. next thing you know you'll be protesting discrimination against child molestors.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
OP, how do you explain this thread:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1840300&enterthread=y

Where hospitals are losing MILLIONS from treating illegals? As if our medical premiums weren't high enough, this is undoubtedly contributing to why my premium went up over THIRTY PERCENT this year. Many other companies have reported in the 35-40% increase in medical premiums. Why should I suffer b/c of fcking illegals? Wake up dude...

You are not "suffering" look at OP, I for one have plenty and do not feel I am "suffering" I am sure if you looked into what is really going on it is greed of the insurance industry that has been rampant latley and not our immigrants who pay taxes too mainly, another red herring to make you feel used and justify discrimination.

LOL @ discrimination. trying to make yourself look like the good guy, trying to end discrimination. good thing you only use this argument with illegal immigrants, though. next thing you know you'll be protesting discrimination against child molestors.

Ok oreilly talking point man, we know you have a child molestation trip but I am not interested.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Think about it, you all are buying some crazy lines from tv or some crap, you are blatenently acting like you own this country and old racist laws should never be questioned and have no problem discriminating using the mas a justification, all of you need to step back from figures and crap spewed from a bunch of old racist white men on your tv and think for yourselves for a minute.

This is complete lunacy. You have no other perspective than illegal aliens="sugar, spice and everything nice", while at the same time painting anything to with the citizens of the US, or the rational goal of protecting our borders, with a broad brush dipped in sewage. The sad thing is that I knew from the childish, hyper-emotional, brain-dead nature of the initial post that you wouldn't tolerate any contrary opinons, much less hard fact.

Next you'll be calling anyone here who disagrees with you "baby Hitler's", or some other such twaddle. :disgust:

Protecting borders is a different story then workers, it was said before in aother thread, mexicans did not knock over the WTC, they BUILT it. The fearmongering is pointed once again at the easiest to scapegoat.

Sorry dude, I don't get what you're saying here. What do you mean by "protecting borders is a different story than workers?" I never once said that I blamed Mexican's for 911. I don't think anyone else did either. For me, this is about stopping the unchecked flood of illegal aliens, and all the baggage they bring with them. Fear-mongering? There are at least 12-million foreign nationals in the US who have the audacity to DEMAND that they be given a free ride to citizenship and that born/naturalized citizens take NO steps to bar ANOTHER 12 million (or more) from entering. I don't see any mongering as needed. Anyone with a brain, and two warm brain cell?s, should be automatically afraid.

And please, don't call me a racist. Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Steeplerot]

They are nothing less then workers already paying taxes mostly and taking care of us behind the scenes, they are workers who are not equally represented, spin whatever law you want to justify it but this is a fact and the only justification for it is discrimination, saying its "illegal" is pointless, what is done is done and we already have benifited from using them for years, there is no reasonable choice then to finish what has already been permitted to be done and grant citizenship. There is no going back realisticlly, pressing this issue is only a slap in the face to those who work hard for us all these years, people are not going to sit in squallor while there is oppurtunity for their families a few miles north, to think YOU wouldnt do such a thing is fantasy.

 

[TGS]

The problem with immigrants is that we have people that will employ them without proper documentation. I could care less and actually applaud the people that do the extensive labor related jobs. What really is mind blowing is how we don't crack down on businesses that are the direct reason why illegals come to our country, the jobs are ready and more than willing to pay under the table. Immigration is already in a sad state of affairs, but mostly due to the fact that anyone can come to this country and find a job getting paid under the table.

Rounding people up into prisons is the most ridiculous idea that people are spouting out. Think about it.. we want to spend money to house, feed, and cloth these people now... Wow genius. No, we need to seriously streamline the immigration process. Do a good background check from the country they are immigrating from. If the check misses something the immigrating country knew about then they get deported at the imigrating countries expense. Or we start slapping tariffs or trade restrictions on goods and services between our countries.

What we need is a system that gets people into the country in the safest manner we can come up with, line up employeers that *need* workers, and get those people into tax paying jobs. We need a *serious* crack down on untaxed income. If they are paying all the taxes deemed neccesary then who cares after that point.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: TGS
The problem with immigrants is that we have people that will employ them without proper documentation. I could care less and actually applaud the people that do the extensive larbor related jobs. What really is mind blowing is how we don't crack down on business that are the direct reason why illegals come to our country, the jobs are ready and more than willing to pay under the table. Immigration is already in a sad state of affairs, but mostly due to the fact that anyone can come to this country and find a job getting paid under the table.

Rounding people up into prisons is the most ridiculous idea that people are spouting out. Think about it.. we want to spend money to house, feed, and cloth these people now... Wow genius. No, we need to seriously streamline the immigration process. Do a good background check from the country they are immigrating from. If the check misses something the immigrating country knew about then they get deported at the imigrating countries expense. Or we start slapping tariffs or trade restrictions on goods and services between our countries.

What we need is a system that gets people into the country in the safest manner we can come up with, line up employeers that *need* workers, and get those people into tax paying jobs. We need a *serious* crack down on untaxed income. If they are paying all the taxes deemed neccesary then who cares after that point.

Under the table is not the issue, all mexicans I have known always have papers, it is actually very hard for them to find a job and not pay taxes, a walk around a latino neighborhood and you will see them milling about waiting in line, betcha there is a documentation mill running in there handing out SS cards so they can work.

You cant even do day labor in construction without ID and SS card anymore.

In reality they are working far longer hours then us and paying billions in tax, and you know what? They do it without complaining and thankful they have the oppurtunity to.

This whole issue being framed like this is shameful if you get to know these people working behind the scenes.

 

[TGS]

I mean documentation that will stand up to scrutiny. Anyone can get falsified papers if they wanted to. You have to think why are they getting falsified papers to begin with if that is goign to land them in jail, or deported when it is revealed.

Edit: Just for clarification, if someone *is* paying taxes they should be given citizen status immediately. Though I would like to see future immigrants have an easier path and not have to resort to getting illegal documentation to begin with.

Though I'm not trying to pin immigration issues directly on just documentation, I think the entire system needs to be modernized. Though along with my tax comment, is it right to reward the people that engaged in illegal activities to falsify papers? I don't think it is, but at the same rate do we fault the people because our system is not suited to process people in a timely fashion?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: TGS
I mean documentation that will stand up to scrutiny. Anyone can get falsified papers if they wanted to. You have to think why are they getting falsified papers to begin with if that is goign to land them in jail, or deported when it is revealed.

Becasue they have to and the way in reality our system is set up it is the way it has been, they are generally very thankful to have a job working 16 hours building our houses and cooking our food and it is worth the risk compared to what they came from.

These people are the engine that powers our country behind the scenes plain and simple, and they always live in fear of being pulled over, having there papers scrutinized and being arrested, but you have to get things done in life to make it, and the courage and dedication these people have is amazing, americans should be thankful not resentful imo.

Most americans take so much for granted of what they have, its a far different world just through those kitchen doors where these people toil cooking the food you eat at a restuaraunt.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
They are nothing less then workers already paying taxes mostly and taking care of us behind the scenes, they are workers who are not equally represented, spin whatever law you want to justify it but this is a fact and the only justification for it is discrimination, saying its "illegal" is pointless, what is done is done and we already have benifited from using them for years, there is no reasonable choice then to finish what has already been permitted to be done and grant citizenship. There is no going back realisticlly, pressing this issue is only a slap in the face to those who work hard for us all these years, people are not going to sit in squallor while there is oppurtunity for their families a few miles north, to think YOU wouldnt do such a thing is fantasy.

There's nothing "factual" about anything you've said here. It's an OPINION (a syrupy one at that), and nothing more. Frankly, you've ignored any facts offered to you and seem to have turned the way you "feel" (I love immigrants!!!) into a quasi-religion. Luckily most people seem (by the polls) to be able to at least partially grasp the nature of what's going on and are intent on making it right. At any rate, you just continue slandering and jaw-harping about how dastardly anyone who is who doesn't agree with you. With any luck you'll harden even more heads against the idea of America as an unrestricted 3rd world dumping ground.

I can't wait to see what you come up with next. How about a fantasy tale based on all people south of the border having had wings until the evil white man cut them all off.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
With any luck you'll harden even more heads against the idea of America as an unrestricted 3rd world dumping ground.

If you dont know that already then wake up, On the whole we are mostly the vermin that noone wanted from europe anyhow.

Funny how once the tables are turned some think we are superior somehow becasue of where we were born this generation :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[boss6021]

I would encourage anyone who is for illegal immigration to watch/read (if literate) The Grapes of Wrath. That is what your beloved America will be if this trend were to continue unchecked. So, if you love immigrants so much, go to Mexico and live your fantasy. Just don't do it at my job.

Mike

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: HardWarrior

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
They are nothing less then workers already paying taxes mostly and taking care of us behind the scenes, they are workers who are not equally represented, spin whatever law you want to justify it but this is a fact and the only justification for it is discrimination, saying its "illegal" is pointless, what is done is done and we already have benifited from using them for years, there is no reasonable choice then to finish what has already been permitted to be done and grant citizenship. There is no going back realisticlly, pressing this issue is only a slap in the face to those who work hard for us all these years, people are not going to sit in squallor while there is oppurtunity for their families a few miles north, to think YOU wouldnt do such a thing is fantasy.

There's nothing "factual" about anything you've said here. It's an OPINION (a syrupy one at that), and nothing more. Frankly, you've ignored any facts offered to you and seem to have turned the way you "feel" (I love immigrants!!!) into a quasi-religion. Luckily most people seem (by the polls) to be able to at least partially grasp the nature of what's going on and are intent on making it right. At any rate, you just continue slandering and jaw-harping about how dastardly anyone who is who doesn't agree with you. With any luck you'll harden even more heads against the idea of America as an unrestricted 3rd world dumping ground.

I can't wait to see what you come up with next. How about a fantasy tale based on all people south of the border having had wings until the evil white man cut them all off.

I'll agree with you completely there. I haven't seen one article or fact about what Steeplerot has said. All it has been is stuff like "all mexicans I have known always have papers". Well if opinion and experience equals fact, my neighbors were illegal immigrants. They lived next-door to me for five years before the police caught them and forced them to leave the country. And he did work an under-the-table cash-only job. He didn't pay taxes like the rest of us have to. So, to keep in step with Steeplerot's equating personal experience to the entire country--every immigrant in my neighborhood was an illegal one, so that must mean that every immigrant in the country is as well, and they all must work under-the-table jobs and skip taxes. I don't have any facts to back that up, but from my personal experience it must be true!

I am on the same side as the bulk of the posters in this thread--I am not racist, I have no problem with immigrants or immigration, but I am against ILLEGAL immigration. I know this might sound shocking, but I am against most things that are illegal *gasp* For example, I am all for the legal borrowing of a vehicle (with the owner's permission), but I am against illegal borrowing of a vehicle (that would be stealing for everyone except Steeplerot; she probably thinks I hate everyone who borrows a vehicle now, and nothing I can say or do will convince her otherwise!)

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
They are nothing less then workers already paying taxes mostly and taking care of us behind the scenes, they are workers who are not equally represented, spin whatever law you want to justify it but this is a fact and the only justification for it is discrimination, saying its "illegal" is pointless, what is done is done and we already have benifited from using them for years, there is no reasonable choice then to finish what has already been permitted to be done and grant citizenship. There is no going back realisticlly, pressing this issue is only a slap in the face to those who work hard for us all these years, people are not going to sit in squallor while there is oppurtunity for their families a few miles north, to think YOU wouldnt do such a thing is fantasy.

They are not paying TAXES. Why do you keep saying this? Sales tax is a minute drop in the bucket compared to state and federal, AND they're not putting in for Social Security. I just talked to my accountant bud, and told him the scenario.

Let's use 25K as an example. Let's say they spend EVERY PENNY. @6% sales tax, they are putting in $1500. They are still ducking out on $4,000 of State and Federal taxes More realistically, they will probably spend 12K, save the rest, and only pay $750. They also don't put in for Soc Sec or any other state/federal taxes for education and medical care. They are also costing us in the BILLIONS in lost dollars for hospitals alone. Again, wake up. Either do it the right way, or get the hell out of the country is what I say.

Edit: Also, some states have a lower than normal or nonexistent sales tax, Delaware for example. They are getting screwed.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CessnaFlyer

Sorry Dave, but it is the anti-immigration crowd that hates everything about what makes america so great, and history proves you wrong.

Another lie! We love America, and everything it stands for. It's not anti immigration, it's anti illegals!! Do you ever tell the truth?

Re-read my posts flyboy.

I'm not ant-immigration either, I'm anti-ILLEGAL immigration.

Steeple does not care that they are here ILLEGALLY.

So let's not only bring all of Mexico in but how bout Iran or all of the Middle East Countries too.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: TGS
I mean documentation that will stand up to scrutiny. Anyone can get falsified papers if they wanted to. You have to think why are they getting falsified papers to begin with if that is goign to land them in jail, or deported when it is revealed.

Becasue they have to and the way in reality our system is set up it is the way it has been, they are generally very thankful to have a job working 16 hours building our houses and cooking our food and it is worth the risk compared to what they came from.

These people are the engine that powers our country behind the scenes plain and simple, and they always live in fear of being pulled over, having there papers scrutinized and being arrested, but you have to get things done in life to make it, and the courage and dedication these people have is amazing, americans should be thankful not resentful imo.

Most americans take so much for granted of what they have, its a far different world just through those kitchen doors where these people toil cooking the food you eat at a restuaraunt.

I could argue that the white collar work I do is MORE important than an illegal immigrant cooking my food. Why do you think I get paid more? That's weaksauce and we owe them nothing.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

They are not paying TAXES. Why do you keep saying this?

Becasue you obviously have no clue, they pay same taxes as you when their check is cut in most cases, except can file no returns, now how is that hard to understand?

Sales tax which they pay too is local, and far less, not even debating that.

What is sad is there is no excuse to be selfish except you all have no clue what is going on outside of what some bigot tells you on tv.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
They are nothing less then workers already paying taxes mostly and taking care of us behind the scenes, they are workers who are not equally represented, spin whatever law you want to justify it but this is a fact and the only justification for it is discrimination, saying its "illegal" is pointless, what is done is done and we already have benifited from using them for years, there is no reasonable choice then to finish what has already been permitted to be done and grant citizenship. There is no going back realisticlly, pressing this issue is only a slap in the face to those who work hard for us all these years, people are not going to sit in squallor while there is oppurtunity for their families a few miles north, to think YOU wouldnt do such a thing is fantasy.

They are not paying TAXES. Why do you keep saying this? Sales tax is a minute drop in the bucket compared to state and federal, AND they're not putting in for Social Security. I just talked to my accountant bud, and told him the scenario.

Let's use 25K as an example. Let's say they spend EVERY PENNY. @6% sales tax, they are putting in $1500. They are still ducking out on $4,000 of State and Federal taxes More realistically, they will probably spend 12K, save the rest, and only pay $750. They also don't put in for Soc Sec or any other state/federal taxes for education and medical care. They are also costing us in the BILLIONS in lost dollars for hospitals alone. Again, wake up. Either do it the right way, or get the hell out of the country is what I say.

Edit: Also, some states have a lower than normal or nonexistent sales tax, Delaware for example. They are getting screwed.

I'm confused on the Social Security front.. I read an article that stated that $7-8 billion dollars of funds put into Social Security cannot be accounted for, due to W2's not matching social security numbers (undocumented wage earners) . Where are these large numbers coming from?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: HardWarrior
With any luck you'll harden even more heads against the idea of America as an unrestricted 3rd world dumping ground.

If you dont know that already then wake up, On the whole we are mostly the vermin that noone wanted from europe anyhow.

Funny how once the tables are turned some think we are superior somehow becasue of where we were born this generation :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You gotta stop with this elitism accusation BS. If anything, the people who immigrated here before have had it alot harder. As you pointed out there were strict quotas which were racist in the past but now that's gone and it's a completely FAIR first come, first serve system.

Think of this as like a bread line. People wanting to come into this country are people on a line waiting to get their bread. You have people who follow the rules who take a number and wait their turn. Then you have people who sneak around back and steal a piece of bread before all the people waiting on line. Or they create fraudulent documents to make the person handing out bread believe they deserve it now before it was really their turn.

So if anything, these illegal immigrants are destroying our immigration system. Think of how all the people who properly wait on line feel as these countless illegals are sneaking in while these law abiding decent folk are patiently waiting their turn. They must be getting fed up with our broken system!

You're coming in here saying we should reward people who commit crimes and try to circumvent our immigration process which in turn sends a message to the law abiding immigrants who are going through the legal process akin to: "Haha, suckers!"