I Love Immigrants

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
There is no proof that this costs anyone anything extra if you work in the taxes they pay under the table, its another lame excuse.
Nobody buys it except those looking for a excuse to hate and scapegoat the poor.

See my first post on page 1:

5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. Some bargain, eh?

This punctuates the numbers that my accountant buddy ran. Some major ownage going on in this thread.

I wouldn't be opposed to arresting everyone at these immigration rallies and doing background checks for deportation.

If you think KKK related hate groups provide you with good souces then yeah, hate groups propaganda sure pwn me, but but, your not racists, but you sure love klansmen type sources to back up your arguements to be racists :roll:

You were already owned by my math earlier. It is fact that an illegal who earns 25K is ducking $4,000 in State and Federal taxes. Sales tax makes up for less than 20% of that number. Ever heard of TAX EVASION? Look up Al Capone, maybe you've heard of him, he was a criminal charged with it.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot


And now that the majority that settled with no restrictions are white its ok to lock it down and label the migrant people native to the area as illegal, sure..

False. There were limits for how many people can come in for a long time now! This is not something 'new'. And the number has only grown.

True:
1921, look it up. eastern european immigration was pretty much done by then, they pulled the plug on immigration when "undesireable and less racially superior" western europeans and mexicans started coming in.

"undesireable and less racially superior" - totally subjective.

And Europeans are still trying to immigrate now. Are we being racist against these white Europeans who are trying to enter the country now too?

There was no line european immigrants waited for to come in before 1921, it was a free for all, mexicans come here "illegally" becasue they are not allowed to legally.

How many times are you going to go in a circle, like a dog chasing it's own tail? Anyone is allowed to enter the United States on a First Come First Serve basis. It doesn't matter if you're Mexican, European or from Mars.

That matters none at all, fact is our immigration first come first serve are flawed to the point of millions coming in to work, this is a flawed system and artifical cap placed on immigration based off old laws. It was not like this until the racist law.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon


You were already owned by my math earlier. It is fact that an illegal who earns 25K is ducking $4,000 in State and Federal taxes. Sales tax makes up for less than 20% of that number. Ever heard of TAX EVASION? Look up Al Capone, maybe you've heard of him, he was a criminal charged with it.

Your math is garbage and already dismissed it, what you fail to realize is they pay MORE taxes then you do as they do not get back refunds, so either keep up with the program or stay in denial.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
There is no proof that this costs anyone anything extra if you work in the taxes they pay under the table, its another lame excuse.
Nobody buys it except those looking for a excuse to hate and scapegoat the poor.

See my first post on page 1:

5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. Some bargain, eh?

Your source is a known hate group and the founder John Tanton has been part of anti-latino causes and KKK type organazations for decades. I would rather take advice from a klansman out front about it.

You really need to get info from better sources, your not getting the whole picture obviously, and your attitude reflects where you get this stuff.

Fine, if you won't take the facts from there, then choose another:

Washinton Times
Washinton Post

or just use google

From first link: Exactly what I said about taxes

Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy.
"Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.

Wrong. It does take into account the taxes they sometimes pay:

Mr. Stein noted that state and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but do not match expenses. The total of such payments was estimated in the report to be about $1.6 billion per year.

So that's a deficit of a little over $8 billion dollars!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: kalrith

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
There is no proof that this costs anyone anything extra if you work in the taxes they pay under the table, its another lame excuse.
Nobody buys it except those looking for a excuse to hate and scapegoat the poor.

See my first post on page 1:

5. Illegal aliens absolutely do not contribute more than they cost. Certainly the millions in prison and on welfare aren't contributing a dime to our economy, and the ones who are working often are paid in cash with no deductions for taxes at all. The ones who use fraudulent social security numbers and qualify to pay taxes and social security have so many deductions for dependents that they pay little if any taxes. We have seen them pay less than $100 in taxes and get back $4,000 refunds (thanks to earned income tax credits and multiple dependents). The Center for Immigration Studies estimates that the average Mexican illegal alien costs U.S. taxpayers a whopping $55,000 each. Some bargain, eh?

Your source is a known hate group and the founder John Tanton has been part of anti-latino causes and KKK type organazations for decades. I would rather take advice from a klansman out front about it.

You really need to get info from better sources, your not getting the whole picture obviously, and your attitude reflects where you get this stuff.

Fine, if you won't take the facts from there, then choose another:

Washinton Times
Washinton Post

or just use google

From first link: Exactly what I said about taxes

Gerardo Gonzalez, director of the National Latino Research Center at California State at San Marcos, which compiles data on Hispanics, was critical of FAIR's report yesterday. He said FAIR's estimates did not measure some of the contributions that illegal aliens make to the state's economy.
"Beyond taxes, these workers' production and spending contribute to California's economy, especially the agricultural sector," he said, adding that both legal and illegal aliens are the "backbone" of the state's $28 billion-a-year agricultural industry.

Right after that it says, "In August, a similar study by the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, said U.S. households headed by illegal aliens used $26.3 billion in government services during 2002, but paid $16 billion in taxes, an annual cost to taxpayers of $10 billion."

Oh goody they're only costing us $10 billion a year. That makes me so happy!!!

Center for Immigration Studies is a hate group that mainstream media has been using lately go look them up on google, their founder has quite a dodgy past.

Sorry you say Center for Immigration Studies you might as well be saying the KKK, and guess where almost ALL this mainstream medias info comes from? yep Center for Immigration Studies. Trace the paths of where this stuff is coming from.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon


You were already owned by my math earlier. It is fact that an illegal who earns 25K is ducking $4,000 in State and Federal taxes. Sales tax makes up for less than 20% of that number. Ever heard of TAX EVASION? Look up Al Capone, maybe you've heard of him, he was a criminal charged with it.

Your math is garbage and already dismissed it, what you fail to realize is they pay MORE taxes then you do as they do not get back refunds, so either keep up with the program or stay in denial.

Who cares the amount they're paying in taxes if the amount they're using in government services exceeds it by $10 billion a year. That's $10 billion that has to be made up by the legal citizens of the U.S.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot


And now that the majority that settled with no restrictions are white its ok to lock it down and label the migrant people native to the area as illegal, sure..

False. There were limits for how many people can come in for a long time now! This is not something 'new'. And the number has only grown.

True:
1921, look it up. eastern european immigration was pretty much done by then, they pulled the plug on immigration when "undesireable and less racially superior" western europeans and mexicans started coming in.

"undesireable and less racially superior" - totally subjective.

And Europeans are still trying to immigrate now. Are we being racist against these white Europeans who are trying to enter the country now too?

There was no line european immigrants waited for to come in before 1921, it was a free for all, mexicans come here "illegally" becasue they are not allowed to legally.

How many times are you going to go in a circle, like a dog chasing it's own tail? Anyone is allowed to enter the United States on a First Come First Serve basis. It doesn't matter if you're Mexican, European or from Mars.

That matters none at all, fact is our immigration first come first serve are flawed to the point of millions coming in to work, this is a flawed system and artifical cap placed on immigration based off old laws. It was not like this until the racist law.

Of course it matters because it proves you entirely wrong. You are trying to argue the system is 'racist', that it does not allow Mexicans specifically to cime in. If it's first come first serve, it doesn't matter WHO you are. Why can't you admit this blatantly obvious fact?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: SP33Demon


You were already owned by my math earlier. It is fact that an illegal who earns 25K is ducking $4,000 in State and Federal taxes. Sales tax makes up for less than 20% of that number. Ever heard of TAX EVASION? Look up Al Capone, maybe you've heard of him, he was a criminal charged with it.

Your math is garbage and already dismissed it, what you fail to realize is they pay MORE taxes then you do as they do not get back refunds, so either keep up with the program or stay in denial.

Someone who acts like they're "paying" taxes with a forged document is not paying anything. And when our law enforcement system catches up with business that try to pass off forged doc's, then illegals will be "paying" for it in prison (see Bubba).

Keep spreading your tax evasion and forgery opinions, I'm sure everyone will agree. We're not laughing at you, we're laughing with you.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot


And now that the majority that settled with no restrictions are white its ok to lock it down and label the migrant people native to the area as illegal, sure..

False. There were limits for how many people can come in for a long time now! This is not something 'new'. And the number has only grown.

True:
1921, look it up. eastern european immigration was pretty much done by then, they pulled the plug on immigration when "undesireable and less racially superior" western europeans and mexicans started coming in.

"undesireable and less racially superior" - totally subjective.

And Europeans are still trying to immigrate now. Are we being racist against these white Europeans who are trying to enter the country now too?

There was no line european immigrants waited for to come in before 1921, it was a free for all, mexicans come here "illegally" becasue they are not allowed to legally.

How many times are you going to go in a circle, like a dog chasing it's own tail? Anyone is allowed to enter the United States on a First Come First Serve basis. It doesn't matter if you're Mexican, European or from Mars.

That matters none at all, fact is our immigration first come first serve are flawed to the point of millions coming in to work, this is a flawed system and artifical cap placed on immigration based off old laws. It was not like this until the racist law.

Of course it matters because it proves you entirely wrong. You are trying to argue the system is 'racist', that it does not allow Mexicans specifically to cime in. If it's first come first serve, it doesn't matter WHO you are. Why can't you admit this blatantly obvious fact?

We're not dealing with facts at all. Steeplerot hasn't given any. This reminds me of those debates in school when one side has all sorts of research and support for their side of the debate, and the other side has none so all they can do is try to discredit what the other side said. And just to clarify for the debate-impaired (aka Steeplerot), opinion and experience do not equal support.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot




Center for Immigration Studies is a hate group that mainstream media has been using lately go look them up on google, their founder has quite a dodgy past.

Sorry you say Center for Immigration Studies you might as well be saying the KKK, and guess where almost ALL this mainstream medias info comes from? yep Center for Immigration Studies. Trace the paths of where this stuff is coming from.

So now the Center for Immigration Studies is racist too? And let me guess, you have no facts or evidence to back this up either. Did Jesus speak to you and provide you with this privileged knowledge?

 

[her209]

Just think about it, if Mexico instituted the same open borders policy, maybe they would have a booming economy too! Question is, why haven't they done so? Are they racists or just stupid or both?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina

Of course it matters because it proves you entirely wrong. You are trying to argue the system is 'racist', that it does not allow Mexicans specifically to cime in. If it's first come first serve, it doesn't matter WHO you are. Why can't you admit this blatantly obvious fact?

It does not meet the needs of migratory workers and creates a subclass, and the whole limited immigration thing is nothing less then a double standard now that the country assimilated so many whites, the immigration system need to be increased drasticlly to keep these people from becoming a sub-class. The newer form of the law may on the surface seem to have dropped the blatent racism but still creates slaves.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot




Center for Immigration Studies is a hate group that mainstream media has been using lately go look them up on google, their founder has quite a dodgy past.

Sorry you say Center for Immigration Studies you might as well be saying the KKK, and guess where almost ALL this mainstream medias info comes from? yep Center for Immigration Studies. Trace the paths of where this stuff is coming from.

So now the Center for Immigration Studies is racist too? And let me guess, you have no facts or evidence to back this up either. Did Jesus speak to you and provide you with this privileged knowledge?

Go google them and John Tanton the main guy.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: her209
Just think about it, if Mexico instituted the same open borders policy, maybe they would have a booming economy too! Question is, why haven't they done so? Are they racists or just stupid or both?

They are not a country of immigrants, nor was their country founded off of free immigration to all, they are founded by conquest of natives, we just killed ours off to make room for white colonists.

 

[daniel49]

Its funny to see someone like steeplerot who is so far to the left that he makes PandN look centerist.
There seems to be this overwhelming sense of, "I and all white euro trash like me are evil because we oppress the world!"
"Therefore I must adopt this whipping boy mentality to atone for our sins"

Your logic is straight from Loony tunes and the more one hears you speak, the less one has to say to prove it.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Of course it matters because it proves you entirely wrong. You are trying to argue the system is 'racist', that it does not allow Mexicans specifically to cime in. If it's first come first serve, it doesn't matter WHO you are. Why can't you admit this blatantly obvious fact?

It does not meet the needs of migratory workers and creates a subclass, and the whole limited immigration thing is nothing less then a double standard now that the country assimilated so many whites, the immigration system need to be increased drasticlly to keep these people from becoming a sub-class.

So if we're all racist why do we even allow any immigration? Why didn't we just prohibit immigration entirely ever since we first formed the country, and why did we ever abolish slavery?

The newer form of the law may on the surface seem to have dropped the blatent racism but still creates slaves.

And now they're slaves?? I don't understand... I thought they are coming here willingly to work? Now we are forcing them to work and not paying them?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot




Center for Immigration Studies is a hate group that mainstream media has been using lately go look them up on google, their founder has quite a dodgy past.

Sorry you say Center for Immigration Studies you might as well be saying the KKK, and guess where almost ALL this mainstream medias info comes from? yep Center for Immigration Studies. Trace the paths of where this stuff is coming from.

So now the Center for Immigration Studies is racist too? And let me guess, you have no facts or evidence to back this up either. Did Jesus speak to you and provide you with this privileged knowledge?

I lol'd IRL!

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Steeplerot




Center for Immigration Studies is a hate group that mainstream media has been using lately go look them up on google, their founder has quite a dodgy past.

Sorry you say Center for Immigration Studies you might as well be saying the KKK, and guess where almost ALL this mainstream medias info comes from? yep Center for Immigration Studies. Trace the paths of where this stuff is coming from.

So now the Center for Immigration Studies is racist too? And let me guess, you have no facts or evidence to back this up either. Did Jesus speak to you and provide you with this privileged knowledge?

Go google them and John Tanton the main guy.

Hey, I googled up the stuff I wanted to support... now its your turn!

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: her209
Just think about it, if Mexico instituted the same open borders policy, maybe they would have a booming economy too! Question is, why haven't they done so? Are they racists or just stupid or both?

They are not a country of immigrants, nor was their country founded off of free immigration to all, they are founded by conquest of natives, we just killed ours off to make room for white colonists.

Buhahaha... seriously, do you really believe what you just wrote? Oh, we can't let immigrants into our country because we aren't a nation founded on immigrants. Gimme a fvckin break.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Its funny to see someone like steeplerot who is so far to the left that he makes PandN look centerist.
There seems to be this overwhelming sense of, "I and all white euro trash like me are evil because we oppress the world!"
"Therefore I must adopt this whipping boy mentality to atone for our sins"

Your logic is straight from Loony tunes and the more one hears you speak, the less one has to say to prove it.

euro-trash huh? And what makes you think I am all white euro-trash? And how do you know I am not here speaking to you all about this becasue there is a rational non-racist POV you all are not obviously getting?

If you want to take info from mr john tanton blacks are:"a retrograde species of humanity." racist scum go for it, you all are two peas in a pod then, I am just saying you all are getting a very skewed picture from screwed up sources, this country has problems but its always the easiest way out to blame the poorest.

I am noones whipping boy although talking to what I feel are some of the most ignorant people of a white middle class forum of TV fed zombies sure feels like beating my head against a wall sometimes,

 

[BBond]

The problem that people fail to recognize is, if you allow people who came here ILLEGALLY to remain here, if you make them "legal" or give them amnesty or whatever you want to call it, you're going to encourage others to take the same route. In a nation that can no longer address the needs of its own citizens how do you expect us to address the needs of an influx of ILLEGAL immigrants expecting to come to America in the footsteps of the 12 MILLION who are already here ILLEGALLY.

This has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, racism, or anything other that the fact that these people entered America ILLEGALLY and allowing them to stay sends the WRONG message to every other person who wants to do the SAME.

People really need to check out the true reasons behind the influx of 12 million ILLEGAL immigrants entering our nation. They are here because the powers that be want to depress our already depressed wages further and they want these ILLEGALS votes when and if they can ever gain legal status. That's it. Period. And NONE of it is any good for American citizens who are struggling already.

 

[BadThad]

Here's an idea for all you libs that want to help the "poor" illegals in the USA: take your next paycheck, cash it, then hand it over to a group of illegals on the street corner. Please do that because I'm sick of paying for them to live illegally in this country...oh...and have Uncle Sam deduct that amount from my taxes because I'd rather donate to a worthwhile charity that helps non-criminals.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: her209
Just think about it, if Mexico instituted the same open borders policy, maybe they would have a booming economy too! Question is, why haven't they done so? Are they racists or just stupid or both?

No, Mexicans aren't racists; only the white elitests are.

Posted by Steeplerot, "It is plainly obvious to everyone but white elitests here that this is nothing less then a pure racist attack on our poorest people."

I assume that this means that everyone who's posted on this forum (besides Steeplerot, of course) is a white elitest. Oh yeah, and we all live in the East and the Midwest:

Posted by Steeplerot, "Wrong, only the mainly east coast and midwest whites not affected by this directly are the main ones who support this racist law, granted mainstream media is catered for you so you think you are some kind of majority, guess what, your not."

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: daniel49
Its funny to see someone like steeplerot who is so far to the left that he makes PandN look centerist.
There seems to be this overwhelming sense of, "I and all white euro trash like me are evil because we oppress the world!"
"Therefore I must adopt this whipping boy mentality to atone for our sins"

Your logic is straight from Loony tunes and the more one hears you speak, the less one has to say to prove it.

euro-trash huh? And what makes you think I am all white euro-trash? And how do you know I am not here speaking to you all about this becasue there is a rational non-racist POV you all are not obviously getting?

He wasn't implying that you are white euro trash, he's saying in a facetious manner that you view him as evil white euro trash.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: BBond

People really need to check out the true reasons behind the influx of 12 million ILLEGAL immigrants entering our nation. They are here because the powers that be want to depress our already depressed wages further

You hit the nail on the head there, although I think there is a level of good old government incompetence involved also.

Originally posted by: BBond
and they want these ILLEGALS votes when and if they can ever gain legal status. That's it. Period. And NONE of it is any good for American citizens who are struggling already.

As far as votes, the cons have really screwed themselves by making people of ALL colors hate them even more with this bill. (except easily influenced middle class scared whites and already racist peeps)

And what you say about immigration hurting americans struggling has never been proven nor does history remotely agree with you.