i made the kessel run in under 12 parsecs

[DigDog]

why do we assume the parsec line in star wars was a mistake?

parsecs is a unit of distance. so what?

"i made the kessel run in under 12 parsecs"

"i made the kessel run in under 40 light years"

Han Solo managed to do the complicated kessel run, which is full of imperial blockades, in under 40 light years of distance. meaning he did many straight-to-target jumps, coming out of hyperspace behind asteroids, or nearly in range of many star-destroyers, while other blockade runners make the same run in 60, 80, or even 100 light years.. jumping to shit systems like degobah, where there's nothing, not even a cheap ass refuelling station. thus taking much longer, both in distance, and in time.

yes, hyperjumps take time. takes time for the engines to prepare, for the astronavigation computer to do the calculations, and for the capacitors to recharge. and according to canon, hypertravel actually takes time, thats why they say "we are about to come out of hyperspace", while Luke is doing the blast shield training. besides that, travelling in a straight line, avoiding various gravity wells, is harder than you'd imagine, all credit to the falcon's onboard computers, and Solo's experience.

but the millennium falcon did it in under 40 parsec, without getting busted.


seriously, i was like 10 when i heard this line(re-release), and i had no problem understanding it.
necro me: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2372252

 

[olds]

Really?

 

[Nashemon]

That's the way I've always understood it too. Yes, parsec is distance. It's taking shortcuts. You don't just shave off time, you shave mileage. Do people really still argue this?

 

[DigDog]

Do people really still argue this?

oh boy.
you must have some nice social-media blocking app on your browser.

 

[IronWing]

Why would we assume a movie director would be thinking anything at all along these lines when the entire Star Wars backstory was written after the movie was released? It's like starting with the New Testament and then writing an Old Testament to support the writings of the new. Lucas needed a brag line for Hans. It was never intended to be given a second thought. It's a movie, it isn't real. It isn't important. This isn't Middle Earth, fer Christ's sake.

 

[noobsrevenge]

oh boy.
you must have some nice social-media blocking app on your browser.

OR.... his head isnt up his arse to where he seeks arguing about such pettiness.

 

[jlee]

It was explained in books that the run distance was impressive because it was skirting a black hole, and the ship was fast enough to travel that close to a black hole (thereby shortening distance vs going around it). However, who knows now that all the EU stuff is thrown out.

 

[Sonikku]

Always made sense to me.

 

[IronWing]

Side question: In the reissues, did Lucas tweak the cantina scene to have the bounty hunter draw? In the original, Hans clearly shot first.

 

[Sonikku]

In the original, Han shot only.

 

[clamum]

That's the way I've always understood it too. Yes, parsec is distance. It's taking shortcuts. You don't just shave off time, you shave mileage. Do people really still argue this?

It was explained in books that the run distance was impressive because it was skirting a black hole, and the ship was fast enough to travel that close to a black hole (thereby shortening distance vs going around it). However, who knows now that all the EU stuff is thrown out.

That was my understanding as well. I don't get the big deal about this.

 

[IronWing]

In the original, Han shot only.

Agreed.

 

[DigDog]

I'll have you know that even Neil DeGrasse-Tyson felt the need to complain about the parsec being "misused" as a unit of time and not of distance. So yeah, it's a big thing.

Also, i do not know these "remastered editions" you speak of; Han shoots Greedo, and that's that.

 

[angminas]

By its lack of importance, this thread has made me feel more important by comparison, which means the thread was actually important due to its lack of importance.

 

[Rakehellion]

Welcome to 30 years ago.

 

[IronWing]

Welcome to 30 years ago.

It's like arguing the necessity and morality of the Vietnam War. Some issues will never be resolved until the generation that lived through the events are long dead.

 

[Homerboy]

I'll have you know that even Neil DeGrasse-Tyson felt the need to complain about the parsec being "misused" as a unit of time and not of distance. So yeah, it's a big thing.

Also, i do not know these "remastered editions" you speak of; Han shoots Greedo, and that's that.

He shoots him in both versions.
It's who shot first that is in "debate".

 

[ImpulsE69]

Is a chicken eating an egg cannibalism?

 

[Childs]

I think you forgot that Ben was asking if it was a fast ship:

Han: Chewie here tells me you're looking for passage to the Alderaan system.
Ben: Yes, indeed, if it's a fast ship.
Han: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?
Ben: Should I have?
Han: It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. I've outrun Imperial star ships. Not the local bulk cruisers, mind you. I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. Shes fast enough for you, old man.

So Han is using parsecs as a measurement of speed time. Not that its a big deal. Kinda funny that they continued this in Force Awakens. You could always make the case that parsecs means something different in this galaxy.

 

[shortylickens]

I made your mother cum in less than 12 strokes.


What were you thinking?

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[jlee]

I think you forgot that Ben was asking if it was a fast ship:

Han: Chewie here tells me you're looking for passage to the Alderaan system.
Ben: Yes, indeed, if it's a fast ship.
Han: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?
Ben: Should I have?
Han: It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. I've outrun Imperial star ships. Not the local bulk cruisers, mind you. I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. Shes fast enough for you, old man.

So Han is using parsecs as a measurement of speed. Not that its a big deal. Kinda funny that they continued this in Force Awakens. You could always make the case that parsecs means something different in this galaxy.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37918131&postcount=11

The Expanded Universe puts forth the most interesting and thorough explanation to the "parsec problem": the Kessel Run was normally an 18-parsec route. A popular travel route for smuggling operations, the Kessel Run went around the Maw, a cluster of black holes.

Han's claim to have made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs was therefore not just a boast about his ship's speed, but also his skills and daring as a pilot. Han shaved a third of the distance -- and precious time -- off the normal route by flying dangerous close to the black holes.

This explanation is detailed in A.C. Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy. In "At the Crossroads: The Spacer's Tale," the bounty hunter BoShek beats Han's record, although this feat isn't as impressive because he didn't have a cargo in tow. Don't worry -- our fearless bounty hunter retook the record in the comic strip The Second Kessel Run.

Of course, there's the possibility that Lucas screwed it up - but I prefer that explanation.

 

[Childs]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37918131&postcount=11

He didnt qualify it with distance. Any ship can travel the distance, Han is specifically talking about speed before and after the mention of parsecs. Its not like he said the Falcon made the Kessel Run in 3 days and under 12 parsecs. It doesnt matter if someone years later trys to make it logical, it was just a minor mistake when they made the film. I'm surprised Lucas didnt alter that line when he re-released A New Hope. If he is going to make Greedo shoot first, changing a word isnt a big deal.

Also, the part about the Falcon's reliability and pilot skill didnt come up until later. That would have been a good time to mention how far it can travel reliability and Han's piloting skill through Imperial territory. Then the revisionism would make more sense, but really, it doesnt matter if you just think of it as a simple production mistake. Devoting time to making sense of it seems silly, although I will admit later when I learned what a parsec was it was like finding out there was no

Spoiler

Santa

. :biggrin:

 

[IronWing]

Originally Posted by http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsg...-Say-He-Made-The-Kessel-Run-In-12-Parsecs.htm
The Expanded Universe puts forth the most interesting and thorough explanation to the "parsec problem": the Kessel Run was normally an 18-parsec route. A popular travel route for smuggling operations, the Kessel Run went around the Maw, a cluster of black holes.

Han's claim to have made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs was therefore not just a boast about his ship's speed, but also his skills and daring as a pilot. Han shaved a third of the distance -- and precious time -- off the normal route by flying dangerous close to the black holes.

This explanation is detailed in A.C. Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy. In "At the Crossroads: The Spacer's Tale," the bounty hunter BoShek beats Han's record, although this feat isn't as impressive because he didn't have a cargo in tow. Don't worry -- our fearless bounty hunter retook the record in the comic strip The Second Kessel Run.

Again, written after the fact to concoct a reality to justify Lucas' abuse of the plain meaning of a word.

 

[DigDog]

I think you forgot that Ben was asking if it was a fast ship:

Han: Chewie here tells me you're looking for passage to the Alderaan system.
Ben: Yes, indeed, if it's a fast ship.
Han: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?
Ben: Should I have?
Han: It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. I've outrun Imperial star ships. Not the local bulk cruisers, mind you. I'm talking about the big Corellian ships now. Shes fast enough for you, old man.

So Han is using parsecs as a measurement of speed. Not that its a big deal. Kinda funny that they continued this in Force Awakens. You could always make the case that parsecs means something different in this galaxy.

being anal, no. i've done the paris-dakar in less than 1000km. outrun imperial motorbikes.

see? it still works.

 

[Childs]

being anal, no. i've done the paris-dakar in less than 1000km. outrun imperial motorbikes.

see? it still works.

Doesnt work if someone asks you if your motorbike is fast. Thats like saying "Are you fast? Yes, I can run 100 meters!"