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OK. I've caught up on Intel's current troubles from view of its stock values, suspension of dividends, lay-offs, and a severe cut in capital expenditures.
Then, there is the published news about the gen13 and gen 14 processors, their plan for "micro-code" fixes, and the problems gamers and others were having with the new CPUs.
Local word-of-mouth "intel" suggests that some sort of "corrosion" resulting from chip fabrication is causing problems; the published news suggests that the processors overvolt themselves. Back to the "word-of-mouth", I've been told to stay away from more recent AMD chips. Reminds me of the old rock song: "Nowhere to run to, Ba-a-a-aby! Nowhere to hi-i-ide!"
I am currently rocking three SKYLAKE or KABY LAKE "K" systems which are so far flawless. One of them is a "media-PC" feeding my Sony Bravia through one of the HDMI ports, and it also serves as a "backup server" for all the other PCs and laptops in the house. I have no problems at the moment. One SKY and the KABY system are each fitted with 64GB of DDR4-3200 RAM, which is put to good use. I won't explore the details, but my threads or posts about my use of RAM go back to around 2014.
I also have an LG "Gram" laptop which uses a Tiger Lake processor, fitted with 32GB of RAM. Obviously, it is the only Windows 11 system I have. To use Win 11 on the other three desktops would require using those hacks people touted a few years back, and I'm just not going to do it.
To continue my story here, I'd probably posted two years past to suggest an interest in building an Alder Lake system. And I think even then, people were telling me to use that processor and chipset versus the 13 gen CPU. But I must emphasize: I have no immediate NEED for a newer system, but in three years I'll be 80, I want to move on to Win 11 and beyond. I think it's TIME!
LET ME EMPHASIZE: THERE IS NO GREAT HURRY WITH THIS PROJECT. RIGHT NOW, I'M RESEARCHING PARTS BEFORE I EVEN BUY THEM. But I'd like to go "operational" by February or March 2025 -- a cautious schedule both to avoid snags and to accommodate having a few.
THERE IS NO NEED TO APPLY SOME SORT OF FRUGALITY RULE_OF_THUMB for a 77-year-old who does less and less gaming and more serious computing as time passes. Money is not a serious object as long as it isn't spendthrift and totally unnecessary. I don't want a mid-range motherboard or processor, or even lower-end parts. I incline toward the high-end, even if I don't NEED them.
Right now, I'm considering an i9-12900K Alder Lake processor which I see available for $317. I could scale back this ambition to an i7 model.
For the motherboard, I see reviews and indications of the ASUS ROG Strix Z690-E, but I'm not ruling out an ASUS TUF board. I saw an ROG Strix Z690 review from 2022 suggesting the board was "pricey" at around $400, but I find it now for $230.
I am seeking recommendations and opinions here. The last PC I built was the Kaby Lake with an ASUS Z170 workstation board. Right away, you tell me "that's all old parts!", but except for the processor itself, these were spare parts I acquired for chump-change when my original SKYLAKE blew its USB controller and would no longer boot. And I built the Kaby rig in spring, 2022. So some aspects of my building experience are not so "rusty" -- only the technology is old.
Then, there is the published news about the gen13 and gen 14 processors, their plan for "micro-code" fixes, and the problems gamers and others were having with the new CPUs.
Local word-of-mouth "intel" suggests that some sort of "corrosion" resulting from chip fabrication is causing problems; the published news suggests that the processors overvolt themselves. Back to the "word-of-mouth", I've been told to stay away from more recent AMD chips. Reminds me of the old rock song: "Nowhere to run to, Ba-a-a-aby! Nowhere to hi-i-ide!"
I am currently rocking three SKYLAKE or KABY LAKE "K" systems which are so far flawless. One of them is a "media-PC" feeding my Sony Bravia through one of the HDMI ports, and it also serves as a "backup server" for all the other PCs and laptops in the house. I have no problems at the moment. One SKY and the KABY system are each fitted with 64GB of DDR4-3200 RAM, which is put to good use. I won't explore the details, but my threads or posts about my use of RAM go back to around 2014.
I also have an LG "Gram" laptop which uses a Tiger Lake processor, fitted with 32GB of RAM. Obviously, it is the only Windows 11 system I have. To use Win 11 on the other three desktops would require using those hacks people touted a few years back, and I'm just not going to do it.
To continue my story here, I'd probably posted two years past to suggest an interest in building an Alder Lake system. And I think even then, people were telling me to use that processor and chipset versus the 13 gen CPU. But I must emphasize: I have no immediate NEED for a newer system, but in three years I'll be 80, I want to move on to Win 11 and beyond. I think it's TIME!
LET ME EMPHASIZE: THERE IS NO GREAT HURRY WITH THIS PROJECT. RIGHT NOW, I'M RESEARCHING PARTS BEFORE I EVEN BUY THEM. But I'd like to go "operational" by February or March 2025 -- a cautious schedule both to avoid snags and to accommodate having a few.
THERE IS NO NEED TO APPLY SOME SORT OF FRUGALITY RULE_OF_THUMB for a 77-year-old who does less and less gaming and more serious computing as time passes. Money is not a serious object as long as it isn't spendthrift and totally unnecessary. I don't want a mid-range motherboard or processor, or even lower-end parts. I incline toward the high-end, even if I don't NEED them.
Right now, I'm considering an i9-12900K Alder Lake processor which I see available for $317. I could scale back this ambition to an i7 model.
For the motherboard, I see reviews and indications of the ASUS ROG Strix Z690-E, but I'm not ruling out an ASUS TUF board. I saw an ROG Strix Z690 review from 2022 suggesting the board was "pricey" at around $400, but I find it now for $230.
I am seeking recommendations and opinions here. The last PC I built was the Kaby Lake with an ASUS Z170 workstation board. Right away, you tell me "that's all old parts!", but except for the processor itself, these were spare parts I acquired for chump-change when my original SKYLAKE blew its USB controller and would no longer boot. And I built the Kaby rig in spring, 2022. So some aspects of my building experience are not so "rusty" -- only the technology is old.
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