I've been building systems since the 486DX days,, Used Intel almost exclusively for both myself and my customers. But if I had to build a new high end workstation, I'd use the 7800x3d w/ 64 gigs of CL30 ram. on an x870E based mobo w/ a thermalright phantom spirit 120 se cooler. I just built in Jan. a HTPC for my son w/ a i5 13600kf and wish I had paid more attention to the 13/14th gen problems. I did build an AMD Athlon system once but switched back to Intel. Nothing was wrong w/ the system , just wanted to stay w/ Intel + nvidia. I would not invest in a 12 gen cpu while there's a great alternative available.. 7800x3d + 4080 .