I must have unconsciously been working on figuring out why the right wing has lost it's mind over Obama

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Moonie = Bill???

9-27-09Bill Clinton speaks of vast, right-wing conspiracy

WASHINGTON ? Bill Clinton says a vast, right-wing conspiracy that once targeted him is now focusing on President Barack Obama.

The ex-president made the comment in a television interview when he was asked about one of the signature moments of the Monica Lewinsky affair over a decade ago. Back then, first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton used the term "vast, right-wing conspiracy" to describe how her husband's political enemies were out to destroy his presidency.

Bill Clinton was asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" whether the conspiracy is still there. He replied: "You bet. Sure it is. It's not as strong as it was because America has changed demographically. But it's as virulent as it was."

Clinton said that this time around, the focus is on Obama and "their agenda seems to be wanting him to fail."

Craig234 said ~a year ago that he thought they made a concerted attack on clinton as payback for nixon. It might be giving too much credit but elephants supposedly have long memories.

All just a huge game for the rich that control everything so I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I'm going to suggest something everyone knows as being the theme of Moonbeam's OP.

Self Esteem! When does a person know they have true self esteem? It is not based on how much you make at your job or how well you can cuss or any of the 'attributes' that one thinks are indicators of True Self Esteem UNLESS, as an example, when someone tries to put you down right here in P&N and your response is not in kind but, rather, seeks to discuss what ever the point is relative to the OP or subsequent posts and omits any reference to the attempted put down... or failing finding a point and only seeing the put down you ignore it and move on. The need to respond to a put down is an indicator of one's own need!

Think about it.. or not..

This can and does work sometimes. It's fruitless if the person is an imbecile, though. You think that people would laud a politician who doesn't respond to each and every attack?

In each attack is or are points to be countered. That is fine to do. It is a debate after all. But, if one started to resort to vile slams of no debatable import I think I'd love to be in the other guys shoes. Histrionic behavior is not the sign of strength. It makes no points. It is actually a disorder... I'll get a description...

"Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others."


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[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I'm going to suggest something everyone knows as being the theme of Moonbeam's OP.

Self Esteem! When does a person know they have true self esteem? It is not based on how much you make at your job or how well you can cuss or any of the 'attributes' that one thinks are indicators of True Self Esteem UNLESS, as an example, when someone tries to put you down right here in P&N and your response is not in kind but, rather, seeks to discuss what ever the point is relative to the OP or subsequent posts and omits any reference to the attempted put down... or failing finding a point and only seeing the put down you ignore it and move on. The need to respond to a put down is an indicator of one's own need!

Think about it.. or not..

This can and does work sometimes. It's fruitless if the person is an imbecile, though. You think that people would laud a politician who doesn't respond to each and every attack?

In each attack is or are points to be countered. That is fine to do. It is a debate after all. But, if one started to resort to vile slams of no debatable import I think I'd love to be in the other guys shoes. Histrionic behavior is not the sign of strength. It makes no points. It is actually a disorder... I'll get a description...

"Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others."

Ok - although, the response to a probing slam, especially an obviously inappropriate one, can be very telling about what you're dealing with. I might also start with these after I've lost respect for the other guy.

Interesting about hpd. There is a high probability that a past girlfriend had this (and maybe one or two others). Knowing this would have saved me a lot of wasted time and effort.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I'm going to suggest something everyone knows as being the theme of Moonbeam's OP.

Self Esteem! When does a person know they have true self esteem? It is not based on how much you make at your job or how well you can cuss or any of the 'attributes' that one thinks are indicators of True Self Esteem UNLESS, as an example, when someone tries to put you down right here in P&N and your response is not in kind but, rather, seeks to discuss what ever the point is relative to the OP or subsequent posts and omits any reference to the attempted put down... or failing finding a point and only seeing the put down you ignore it and move on. The need to respond to a put down is an indicator of one's own need!

Think about it.. or not..

This can and does work sometimes. It's fruitless if the person is an imbecile, though. You think that people would laud a politician who doesn't respond to each and every attack?

In each attack is or are points to be countered. That is fine to do. It is a debate after all. But, if one started to resort to vile slams of no debatable import I think I'd love to be in the other guys shoes. Histrionic behavior is not the sign of strength. It makes no points. It is actually a disorder... I'll get a description...

"Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others."

Ok - although, the response to a probing slam, especially an obviously inappropriate one, can be very telling about what you're dealing with. I might also start with these after I've lost respect for the other guy.

Interesting about hpd. There is a high probability that a past girlfriend had this (and maybe one or two others). Knowing this would have saved me a lot of wasted time and effort.

I've been married for about a million years to one... hehehehe seems that long anyhow. But I'm nutty too. Guess it all evens out.
As the description indicates it, HPD, manifests in various behaviors. One common in P&N, I'd wager is: You could show someone eight ways to sunday that the point you're making is absolutely correct and they'll quick like a bunny get mad and go on some tangent to find something they can be right about. I usually use the Aerodynamic example of; "It makes no sense to try to teach a pig to fly. It only frustrates you and ticks off the pig"

I really think Moonbeam's constant self hate dialogs are extremely informative if those who could be informed would kick back and try to understand.
Folks say he is "Bat shit insane". He could write 10 peer reviewed thesis' on this subject matter and probably a Academic Text as well. Ya can't tell how deep the well is till you bend a bit and look down into it. He's not only looked down into it but jumped in and climbed back out... Who is gonna drink that water now that he's waddled about in it? Guess that don't matter... His well. We each have to find our own well and most have to dig till they find the water.

Edit: I think I should add that 'Impressionistic' as they use in the description of HPD means the person relies fully on their impression of something rather than reason or fact.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I'm going to suggest something everyone knows as being the theme of Moonbeam's OP.

Self Esteem! When does a person know they have true self esteem? It is not based on how much you make at your job or how well you can cuss or any of the 'attributes' that one thinks are indicators of True Self Esteem UNLESS, as an example, when someone tries to put you down right here in P&N and your response is not in kind but, rather, seeks to discuss what ever the point is relative to the OP or subsequent posts and omits any reference to the attempted put down... or failing finding a point and only seeing the put down you ignore it and move on. The need to respond to a put down is an indicator of one's own need!

Think about it.. or not..

This can and does work sometimes. It's fruitless if the person is an imbecile, though. You think that people would laud a politician who doesn't respond to each and every attack?

In each attack is or are points to be countered. That is fine to do. It is a debate after all. But, if one started to resort to vile slams of no debatable import I think I'd love to be in the other guys shoes. Histrionic behavior is not the sign of strength. It makes no points. It is actually a disorder... I'll get a description...

"Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others."

Ok - although, the response to a probing slam, especially an obviously inappropriate one, can be very telling about what you're dealing with. I might also start with these after I've lost respect for the other guy.

Interesting about hpd. There is a high probability that a past girlfriend had this (and maybe one or two others). Knowing this would have saved me a lot of wasted time and effort.

I've been married for about a million years to one... hehehehe seems that long anyhow. But I'm nutty too. Guess it all evens out.
As the description indicates it, HPD, manifests in various behaviors. One common in P&N, I'd wager is: You could show someone eight ways to sunday that the point you're making is absolutely correct and they'll quick like a bunny get mad and go on some tangent to find something they can be right about. I usually use the Aerodynamic example of; "It makes no sense to try to teach a pig to fly. It only frustrates you and ticks off the pig"

I really think Moonbeam's constant self hate dialogs are extremely informative if those who could be informed would kick back and try to understand.
Folks say he is "Bat shit insane". He could write 10 peer reviewed thesis' on this subject matter and probably a Academic Text as well. Ya can't tell how deep the well is till you bend a bit and look down into it. He's not only looked down into it but jumped in and climbed back out... Who is gonna drink that water now that he's waddled about in it? Guess that don't matter... His well. We each have to find our own well and most have to dig till they find the water.

I rekon, if most folk put to type what is really in their head, you might be right. To much thinkin takes place between the thought and the movement of the fingers for it to be,,,, real.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay
I'm going to suggest something everyone knows as being the theme of Moonbeam's OP.

Self Esteem! When does a person know they have true self esteem? It is not based on how much you make at your job or how well you can cuss or any of the 'attributes' that one thinks are indicators of True Self Esteem UNLESS, as an example, when someone tries to put you down right here in P&N and your response is not in kind but, rather, seeks to discuss what ever the point is relative to the OP or subsequent posts and omits any reference to the attempted put down... or failing finding a point and only seeing the put down you ignore it and move on. The need to respond to a put down is an indicator of one's own need!

Think about it.. or not..

This can and does work sometimes. It's fruitless if the person is an imbecile, though. You think that people would laud a politician who doesn't respond to each and every attack?

In each attack is or are points to be countered. That is fine to do. It is a debate after all. But, if one started to resort to vile slams of no debatable import I think I'd love to be in the other guys shoes. Histrionic behavior is not the sign of strength. It makes no points. It is actually a disorder... I'll get a description...

"Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others."

Ok - although, the response to a probing slam, especially an obviously inappropriate one, can be very telling about what you're dealing with. I might also start with these after I've lost respect for the other guy.

Interesting about hpd. There is a high probability that a past girlfriend had this (and maybe one or two others). Knowing this would have saved me a lot of wasted time and effort.

I've been married for about a million years to one... hehehehe seems that long anyhow. But I'm nutty too. Guess it all evens out.
As the description indicates it, HPD, manifests in various behaviors. One common in P&N, I'd wager is: You could show someone eight ways to sunday that the point you're making is absolutely correct and they'll quick like a bunny get mad and go on some tangent to find something they can be right about. I usually use the Aerodynamic example of; "It makes no sense to try to teach a pig to fly. It only frustrates you and ticks off the pig"

I really think Moonbeam's constant self hate dialogs are extremely informative if those who could be informed would kick back and try to understand.
Folks say he is "Bat shit insane". He could write 10 peer reviewed thesis' on this subject matter and probably a Academic Text as well. Ya can't tell how deep the well is till you bend a bit and look down into it. He's not only looked down into it but jumped in and climbed back out... Who is gonna drink that water now that he's waddled about in it? Guess that don't matter... His well. We each have to find our own well and most have to dig till they find the water.

I rekon, if most folk put to type what is really in their head, you might be right. To much thinkin takes place between the thought and the movement of the fingers for it to be,,,, real.

I'd have to think on that awhile before I can comment. But I can say, I've thought that most Internet forum postings were too quick to the trigger. But, then I speak to folks who take hours to compose stuff or their post is so long and well reasoned it had to take time I begin to wonder. I've actually looked at some stuff folks have posted to see how long they took between posts to generate it... Some either have their page long posts already composed waiting for the opportune time to unleash it or they have it bottled up ready to go in their mind.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay
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"Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others."

Ok - although, the response to a probing slam, especially an obviously inappropriate one, can be very telling about what you're dealing with. I might also start with these after I've lost respect for the other guy.

Interesting about hpd. There is a high probability that a past girlfriend had this (and maybe one or two others). Knowing this would have saved me a lot of wasted time and effort.

I've been married for about a million years to one... hehehehe seems that long anyhow. But I'm nutty too. Guess it all evens out.
As the description indicates it, HPD, manifests in various behaviors. One common in P&N, I'd wager is: You could show someone eight ways to sunday that the point you're making is absolutely correct and they'll quick like a bunny get mad and go on some tangent to find something they can be right about. I usually use the Aerodynamic example of; "It makes no sense to try to teach a pig to fly. It only frustrates you and ticks off the pig"

The one huge problem with trying to apply hpd to p&n posters using the above definition is the "easily influenced by others" part. I probably don't need to elaborate.

I really think Moonbeam's constant self hate dialogs are extremely informative if those who could be informed would kick back and try to understand.
Folks say he is "Bat shit insane". He could write 10 peer reviewed thesis' on this subject matter and probably a Academic Text as well. Ya can't tell how deep the well is till you bend a bit and look down into it. He's not only looked down into it but jumped in and climbed back out... Who is gonna drink that water now that he's waddled about in it? Guess that don't matter... His well. We each have to find our own well and most have to dig till they find the water.

I guess it's ok to talk about moonie in front of his back. He can be perfectly logical and, in the next breath, a moonbat. One thing he never is is boring. I agree with some of what he says - won't try at assign a percentage. His thoughts on self hate was a twist I had not initially thought to attribute as broadly as he does. As more time goes by, I think he might be on to something. This is undoubtedly the basis of racism - a self-induced, crippling mental disease.

As for his well (or anyone's), if one doesn't dig their own, they are probably just a sycophant.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: LunarRay
...
"Histrionic personality disorder (HPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking, including an excessive need for approval and inappropriate seductiveness, usually beginning in early adulthood. These individuals are lively, dramatic, enthusiastic, and flirtatious. They may be inappropriately sexually provocative, express strong emotions with an impressionistic style, and be easily influenced by others."

Ok - although, the response to a probing slam, especially an obviously inappropriate one, can be very telling about what you're dealing with. I might also start with these after I've lost respect for the other guy.

Interesting about hpd. There is a high probability that a past girlfriend had this (and maybe one or two others). Knowing this would have saved me a lot of wasted time and effort.

I've been married for about a million years to one... hehehehe seems that long anyhow. But I'm nutty too. Guess it all evens out.
As the description indicates it, HPD, manifests in various behaviors. One common in P&N, I'd wager is: You could show someone eight ways to sunday that the point you're making is absolutely correct and they'll quick like a bunny get mad and go on some tangent to find something they can be right about. I usually use the Aerodynamic example of; "It makes no sense to try to teach a pig to fly. It only frustrates you and ticks off the pig"

The one huge problem with trying to apply hpd to p&n posters using the above definition is the "easily influenced by others" part. I probably don't need to elaborate.
I get your drift!

I really think Moonbeam's constant self hate dialogs are extremely informative if those who could be informed would kick back and try to understand.
Folks say he is "Bat shit insane". He could write 10 peer reviewed thesis' on this subject matter and probably a Academic Text as well. Ya can't tell how deep the well is till you bend a bit and look down into it. He's not only looked down into it but jumped in and climbed back out... Who is gonna drink that water now that he's waddled about in it? Guess that don't matter... His well. We each have to find our own well and most have to dig till they find the water.

I guess it's ok to talk about moonie in front of his back. He can be perfectly logical and, in the next breath, a moonbat. One thing he never is is boring. I agree with some of what he says - won't try at assign a percentage. His thoughts on self hate was a twist I had not initially thought to attribute as broadly as he does. As more time goes by, I think he might be on to something. This is undoubtedly the basis of racism - a self-induced, crippling mental disease.

As for his well (or anyone's), if one doesn't dig their own, they are probably just a sycophant.

I talk to Moonie all the time and for like almost 5 years we play WoW together It's ok to talk about him. I think IF I didn't know him well I'd not. Anyhow, ya see Moonerator tries to paint himself as a nobody but that context is not to be confused with the message. He has little ego to sate and self building starts with a foundation but that is really not the start. You have to find site first.. hehehehe. He says he knows one cuz he is one or was one and I think my well example is sort of to do with that. He searched for quite some time, as he has said, looking for 'why'. When you find that 'why' you want to shout from the mountain tops to everyone on earth. Not that the battle is won but how to fight the fight is determined.
I used to think Ok, this person is acting out of their Critical Parent or Child ego state etc... then I though well... different people's personality (Myers-Briggs types) ought to result in different outflow from their ego states then I started to try and figure out what if this and that until I figured out that the mind of the individual conjurs stuff independent of its reasoning process. IOW, somewhere in the mind we have stuff that makes no sense if we could analyze it. How on earth can a person be a bigot? Why would they feel that need? It can't be cuz we are an INFP type or acting from our Adult or Child ego.. something else is in control. But what is there that we're aware of and I suggest nothing... That we're aware of... But something is at work cuz just the bigot bit makes no sense to be that way. It is kinda irrational and we are always rational, right? hehehehehe So Moonster says you can't know it and therefore, can't accept it as being true. But if for one few hours a bigoted person sat down and probed the reason why they feel that way they may be able to touch the tip of it all. They don't have to Love a someone but compassion instead of hate... Why hate? Moonbeam said in OP that his medicine was to cure the need cuz Obama was being nice... That is profound! it means the bigot may be a bigot to be hated by others and Obama is being nice... hmmmm so Moonbeam sends them some hate... Why does that make sense...

Oh well, time to wake up Moonbeam... the sun is asleep so he should be awake now.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yo, LR, been out for Chinese with my Mom for her birthday.

Nice stuff you posted here. I'm too full to think of anything to say, hehe.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Yo, LR, been out for Chinese with my Mom for her birthday.

Nice stuff you posted here. I'm too full to think of anything to say, hehe.

You take your Mom out but not me... ha... I'm not having any more birthdays so there.. you missed your chance.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

It's a lot simpler than that.

A majority of right wingers are actually quite racist and don't want a great person in the Oval Office.

 

[fleabag]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's a lot simpler than that.

A majority of right wingers are actually quite racist and don't want a great person in the Oval Office.

Of course you'd say that, isn't that what idiot jimmy carter is saying too? Yeah just call anybody you don't like "racist" and you'll get your way! I'm sure this mentality has been working great for the dems for the past 60 years and they're sticking with it until things change.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: fleabag

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It's a lot simpler than that.

A majority of right wingers are actually quite racist and don't want a great person in the Oval Office.

Of course you'd say that, isn't that what idiot jimmy carter is saying too? Yeah just call anybody you don't like "racist" and you'll get your way! I'm sure this mentality has been working great for the dems for the past 60 years and they're sticking with it until things change.

Actually, these days, it's sufficient to ostracize someone just by calling him a republican. That's a label no one with any self-respect wants.