I need a quality 802.11n router... ideas?

trend

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Hey, I just bought a 802.11n mini pci-e card for my laptop.. now I need to find a great 802.11n wireless router..

What have worked for you'll? I have heard that some netgears 802.11n are not faster than 802.11g.


 

nweaver

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Originally posted by: trend
Hey, I just bought a 802.11n mini pci-e card for my laptop.. now I need to find a great 802.11n wireless router..

What have worked for you'll? I have heard that some netgears 802.11n are not faster than 802.11g.


Match the card brand with the router brand. Netgears work fine, I tested them with Dell laptops and got some good speeds/range.
 

KenAF2

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Remember, 802.11n is yet finalized yet. It's still in the standardization process. Until the 802.11n standard is complete, it is a good idea to buy 802.11n adapters and routers from the same vendor to ensure full compatibility. You should also look for products that conform to the 802.11n Draft 2.0, so they've got the best chance to support the final 802.11n standard.

The best 802.11n router on the market, without question, is the D-Link DIR-655. As you can see on SmallNetBuilder.com's benchmarks below, it significantly outperforms the Buffalo linked above:

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/component/option,com_chart/Itemid,189/chart,119/

The DIR-655 ($99 from Frys.com) also conforms to the 802.11n Draft 2.0 specification, whereas the Buffalo does not yet do so.

If you use p2p, no other 802.1n router is even close to the DIR-655 in performance; with the v1.03 firmware, the DIR-655 supports 400 simultaneous connections passing data, an increase from 120 in firmware v1.02. Most other 802.11n routers, like those from Buffalo, are limited to 64 connections.
 

JackMDS

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There is No credible 802.11n Router since the 802.11n standard are Not out.

There is a bunch of devices tagged as preN N draft and "send me to the moon".

Any of these devices should be avoided until the standard comes out.

The more the impatient consumers buy this Junk the more time it would take to the real standard to come out.
People who are around this forums for a while know my like of the Buffalo 802.11g line
In contrast to the 802.11g, the Buffalo pre-N is not different than the other preNs and should be avoided as well.
 

trend

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Great info guys!.. Well the mini pci-e card I am putting in my laptop has a broadcom chip on it (it was a card extract from a dell.. which shuold work).

I guess my best bet is to go to best buy and try out the d-link one, and if it gives me a big boost.. Maybe those results are rigged.. but atleast I will start at the top, and see what happens

thanks!
 

kevnich2

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Like Jack said, the 802.11n line of wireless should be avoided right now until it's standardized (I'm guessing sometime in 2008). The G line of buffalo are a great line of products. They didn't go cheap with the parts and they can be flashed with a variety of different firmwares depending on your taste. Out of the box they work just fine, but the other firmware out there offer much more options. Hardware wise, it's a great line of products.
 

KenAF2

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The 802.11n products support 802.11g just like standard 802.11g routers, so you don't lose anything. A number of 802.11n products even support 802.11g MIMO. Suggesting that 802.11n hardware is inferior is a gross distortion, when the opposite is generally true. The 802.11n products almost always feature faster processors and more capable radios.

They didn't go cheap with the parts and they can be flashed with a variety of different firmwares depending on your taste.
Buffalo's 802.11g products provide excellent wireless coverage, and support DD-WRT, but to suggest they don't use cheap parts is inaccurate.

The Buffalo 802.11g products are based on the Broadcom BCM5352, which is just about the cheapest SoC solution on the market for 802.11g networking. Solutions based on that chip don't even use a dedicated ethernet switch controller, as it is integrated and shares the same cpu. Broadcom itself advertises this solution for routers with "the lowest bill of materials cost in the industry."

The only area where 802.11g products "outperform" most 802.11n products is in DD-WRT compatibility. DD-WRT still doesn't fully support the next-generation chipsets (with superior performance) found in most 802.11n routers. As one example, compare the specifications on the Broadcom BCM5352 for low-cost 802.11g routers to the Broadcom BCM4705 intended for 802.11n routers.

Once DD-WRT fully supports next-generation chips like the BCM4705, nobody will be buying those older and much slower BCM5352-based solutions, except those looking to spend under $50 on a router. I agree there is a demand for low-cost routers, but this isn't Fatwallet.com; this is Anandtech where some members spent $500 on a quad-core Intel cpu, $50-$75 on a heatsink (or $150+ on a watercooling setup), $300-$600 on a graphics card, plus hundreds of dollars on case mods.

 

JackMDS

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Originally posted by: KenAF2
The 802.11n products support 802.11g just like standard 802.11g routers, so you don't lose anything.
You lose money since they cost two (or more) times more than a decent 8021.11g.

 

UDT89

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where can i find a wireless N router that has the broadcom chip in it?

i have their N card in my lappy built in, and already was disappointed with my netgear router which i returned.

 

imported_Husky55

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The latest issue of PC MAG has a review of the latest Draft N version2 routers with different chispsets.

The WIFI org is testing the draft N chipsets and will be releasing their results shortly.

I have owned several PreN and DraftN routers. They greatly improve the range and speed. My Dell Draft N wifi card 1500 works well with G and PreN and DraftN routers.

@KenAF2,

Thanks for a very informative post. The D-Link DIR-655 is indeed a very good router with an extra USB2 port and gigabit switch based on all reports.

:thumbsup:
 

JackMDS

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Do you really believe that many people here want to stop progress?

Is it so hard to realize that hard-core Network/Wireless people are ?dying? to the 802.11n to come out as a standard and improve our Wireless Network capabilities.

Howvever between these wishes and the industry practices there is a Huge gap.

The preN wave is clearly thriving on the Psychology of the consumers market and Not on good technology.

Some of the arguments here are a good example to what Marketing is using to lure people. It uses tidbits that are true but Not very relevant to the Issues.

The preN issue is a pure Wireless issue and has nothing to do with other components of the Router.

Yeah the D-link rated higher on the page that you mentioned. However, on what? On WAN to LAN, an issue that has nothing to do with Wireless and mainly caters to the BT craze.

The WIFI certification it is mainly a seal for compatibility and adhering to standard and has nothing to do with Wireless performance per-se, there are Wireless (performer) clunkers that have WIFI certification.

Having USB2 port, and a None Jumbo Frame Switch does not imply any thing on the Wireless capacity either.
 

trend

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Great idea on the dlink dir-655!

I was in BestBuy yesterday and picked one up for $129!! other great part was they were not suppose to even have it.

I get about 8MB/s sustained transfer rate 20foot away.. Which is perfect, it fixes my wireless TV > laptop issue.

thanks guys!
 

GEOrifle

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Originally posted by: trend
Great idea on the dlink dir-655!

I was in BestBuy yesterday and picked one up for $129!! other great part was they were not suppose to even have it.

I get about 8MB/s sustained transfer rate 20foot away.. Which is perfect, it fixes my wireless TV > laptop issue.

thanks guys!

Thise SH*TY DIR-655 doesen't worked for second day, i spoked to TECH guys there and they don't know what to do, it just can't go online . I was going to RMA for refund and there NEWEGG is charging 15% , decided to replace it, let see what i'll get back.
Wasted $130 for nothing, better was use my old wired one.

 

KenAF2

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Originally posted by: GEOrifle

Thise SH*TY DIR-655 doesen't worked for second day, i spoked to TECH guys there and they don't know what to do, it just can't go online . I was going to RMA for refund and there NEWEGG is charging 15% , decided to replace it, let see what i'll get back.
Wasted $130 for nothing, better was use my old wired one.
I replied to your post in the thread you made:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2059648&enterthread=y
 

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As opposed to Draft 1.0, you're safe with any N router that draft 2.0 certified. Draft 2.0 is really just a formality. Pretty much every comment/issue received by the members have been satisfied by 2.0. If there are changes in the next draft, draft 2.0 routers only need a firmware fix to be compliant. Draft 1.0 routers needed a hardware change in order to be compliant...that's why they are not recommended.
 

JackMDS

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Originally posted by: opuntia
As opposed to Draft 1.0, you're safe with any N router that draft 2.0 certified. Draft 2.0 is really just a formality. Pretty much every comment/issue received by the members have been satisfied by 2.0. If there are changes in the next draft, draft 2.0 routers only need a firmware fix to be compliant. Draft 1.0 routers needed a hardware change in order to be compliant...that's why they are not recommended.
Give me a link to oneManufacturer that obligate himself to firmware upgrade only.

 

JackMDS

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Originally posted by: opuntia
Here's this article http://www.wifinetnews.com/archives/007328.html
There are more...

This article was written in January 19, 2007, today is July 16, and there is NO agreed Standard.

Quote from the Article: "The vote today indicates that there?s a very strong direction for 802.11n, and I expect within a matter of weeks that we?ll see waves of firmware upgrades for existing products, real availability of Draft 2.0 chipsets?Airgo wasn?t the only one working in anticipation of this accepted draft?and a timetable for the Wi-Fi Alliance to certify Draft 2.0-compliant devices".

Well, it is Not weeks since the article was written, It is Months.


So it speaks for itself.

 

nweaver

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indeed, draft anything is just that. I won't roll out anything draft, I think it's daft
 

JackMDS

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It is really sad, because this guy did not get to the teleprompter reader Tech Support.


Because of his position in the NY Times PC he talks to the engineers and real tech people.
There is No way in the world that they do not know the truth, yet they choose to forgo the truth and tell him to reinstall windows and use IPref.

Wireless is cool and can do a lot, and there is no reason for the constant lying and deceiving that is done by the industry.

I rather know the truth and the solution ahead even if it cost me a little more, rather going through the charade that most users go through.

The consumers Entry Level Wireless "Peddlers" are selling Mini Coopers claiming that you can do with it the same that you can do if you own a Lamborghini, and a Bulldozer.
 

HVAC

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Jack knows what the hell he is talking about.

Everybody running around buying pre-spec stuff reduces the market's drive to finalize the spec. If everybody took the attitude that they should not buy pre-spec equipment, the market would say "Holy crap, we better finalize this spec because the 11g spec stuff is starting to approach commodity pricing and threatening our profit margins!" The present market condition is heavenly from the manufacturers' point of view. They get market lock-in (gotta buy our card to go with our router!) and can obsolete pre-spec designs with ease (just complain to spec committee about some obscure issue and get the spec changed AGAIN).

Then you have to go out and buy even more stuff when the spec finally arrives and hotspots start using it.

So buy your pre-spec stuff, but do it with your eyes open about how it affects you and others.
 
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