I need a reason for abortion being legal

[ShawnD1]

I'm very pro-abortion, but someone pointed out that almost every problem related to unwanted babies can be solved by putting babies up for adoption.
I can't afford to raise a baby --> adoption
I don't want my baby to be born in the year of the dragon - -> adoption
I was raped --> adoption
I don't want a baby --> adoption
Centipedes in my vagina --> adoption


The only stuff left is convenience. Being pregnant sucks. Is that what this is about? It interferes with school, it interferes with work, it makes it harder to find random men to sleep with, it means buying a whole new set of clothes, etc. Is that what it comes down to?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I have popcorn and a lawnchair.

 

[soundforbjt]

What if the pregnancy will kill the mother?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

I'm very pro-abortion, but someone pointed out that almost every problem related to unwanted babies can be solved by putting babies up for adoption.
I can't afford to raise a baby --> adoption
I don't want my baby to be born in the year of the dragon - -> adoption
I was raped --> adoption
I don't want a baby --> adoption
Centipedes in my vagina --> adoption


The only stuff left is convenience. Being pregnant sucks. Is that what this is about? It interferes with school, it interferes with work, it makes it harder to find random men to sleep with, it means buying a whole new set of clothes, etc. Is that what it comes down to?

Very narrow minded. Solution for rape is adoption? Really? You clearly don't have a daughter. I know no father who I have spoken to on this very issue that would put their child through carrying to term, birthing then giving up a baby in that situation, including me. The trump of rape is more than enough don't you think?

 

[Jaepheth]

The Blood God needs more blood;
the Skull Throne needs more skulls.

 

[ShawnD1]

Very narrow minded. Solution for rape is adoption? Really? You clearly don't have a daughter. I know no father Whome I have spoken to on this very issue who would put their child through carrying to term, birthing then giving up a baby in that situation, including me.

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

Lots of other things are like that. Welding without a mask even when they are readily available implies that you don't care if you go blind. Driving without a seatbelt means you don't care if you live or die. Not being on birth control tells the world you're willing to accept the consequences of being raped. It's not like rape is a rare thing. Women know how incredibly common it is. It's very likely that you know several people who have been raped. I'm not even 30 and I know at least 3 women who have admitted it. It's as common as crashing a car, and we wear seatbelts because we know how common that is.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

Lots of other things are like that. Welding without a mask even when they are readily available implies that you don't care if you go blind. Driving without a seatbelt means you don't care if you live or die. Not being on birth control tells the world you're willing to accept the consequences of being raped. It's not like rape is a rare thing. Women know how incredibly common it is. It's very likely that you know several people who have been raped. I'm not even 30 and I know at least 3 women who have admitted it. It's as common as crashing a car, and we wear seatbelts because we know how common that is.

That is the dumbest thing I've seen you say. Your analogies are ridiculous. If your child is not sexually active, not exposing her self to risk, it's not their fault. And rape is NEVER their fault. So my daughter, if she is older and married and wants to have a family with her husband she should still use birth control in case she's raped?

Stupid.

 

[soundforbjt]

What if the pregnancy will kill the mother?

You're ignoring my point.

 

[mrCide]

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

Lots of other things are like that. Welding without a mask even when they are readily available implies that you don't care if you go blind. Driving without a seatbelt means you don't care if you live or die. Not being on birth control tells the world you're willing to accept the consequences of being raped. It's not like rape is a rare thing. Women know how incredibly common it is. It's very likely that you know several people who have been raped. I'm not even 30 and I know at least 3 women who have admitted it. It's as common as crashing a car, and we wear seatbelts because we know how common that is.

This is so fucking stupid no one else should even bother responding to you.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

Lots of other things are like that. Welding without a mask even when they are readily available implies that you don't care if you go blind. Driving without a seatbelt means you don't care if you live or die. Not being on birth control tells the world you're willing to accept the consequences of being raped. It's not like rape is a rare thing. Women know how incredibly common it is. It's very likely that you know several people who have been raped. I'm not even 30 and I know at least 3 women who have admitted it. It's as common as crashing a car, and we wear seatbelts because we know how common that is.

All forms of contraception have a failure rate.

 

[shortylickens]

I need a reason not to ban this troll.

 

[ShawnD1]

So my daughter, if she is older and married and wants to have a family with her husband she should still use birth control in case she's raped?

Just think of it as practice. After having the rape baby, she will know what to expect the next time she gets pregnant.

If your child is not sexually active, not exposing her self to risk, it's not their fault.

Maybe not the child's fault since they generally don't make big choices like that on their own, but it would be the parents fault. Your kids won't explicitly tell you when they start screwing people, and it might happen as early as 12-13 if they're popular and get invited to parties. It's your job as a parent to be on top of this.

 

[etrigan420]

You're ignoring my point.

Well he's obviously trolling with his response to MomentsofSanity's post...

In response to the question as to why it should be legal:

Because it's fuckin' sweet. That's why.

Oh, and to quench the liberals / progressives desire for the blood of the unborn.

Hail Satan.

 

[NeoV]

"Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy. "

If that blatant statement of pure and utter ignorance doesn't warrant a ban, I don't know what does.

Having also read your comments about being the parents of 12-13 year old girls - please don't ever re-produce, the gene pool is watered down enough as it is

 

[feralkid]

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

I'll take Misogyny 101, Alex.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Edit: screw it. Not even worth my time.

 

[ElFenix]

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

wow.


just.


wow.

 

[First]

This isn't really difficult to explain. Forcing a women to take a rape baby to full term (to say nothing of the moral awfulness of said behavior) is a financially, emotionally and physically draining process. Financially expensive (prenatal foods/vitamins, doctor's visits), emotionally difficult (hormonal changes, changes in brain chemistry) and physically taxing (self-explanatory I hope, lol). This isn't just "convenience", it's common sense and objectively difficult. To act like adoption is some quick 9 month process is patently false and easily documented with examples. Nothing particularly debatable here.

Sorry bro, but that's her own fault. Rape is not a choice, but birth control is. Choosing not to be on birth control implicitly means choosing pregnancy.

Lots of other things are like that. Welding without a mask even when they are readily available implies that you don't care if you go blind. Driving without a seatbelt means you don't care if you live or die. Not being on birth control tells the world you're willing to accept the consequences of being raped. It's not like rape is a rare thing. Women know how incredibly common it is. It's very likely that you know several people who have been raped. I'm not even 30 and I know at least 3 women who have admitted it. It's as common as crashing a car, and we wear seatbelts because we know how common that is.

I can't tell if this is a serious post. Are you actually saying all women should be on birth control in case they're raped? What about the women who can't take birth control because they interact dangerously with other medicine they take? (e.g. cancer meds, seizure meds, etc.). What about women against birth control for religious reasons? What about women on birth control that doesn't work?

 

[shira]

I'm very pro-abortion, but someone pointed out that almost every problem related to unwanted babies can be solved by putting babies up for adoption.
I can't afford to raise a baby --> adoption
I don't want my baby to be born in the year of the dragon - -> adoption
I was raped --> adoption
I don't want a baby --> adoption
Centipedes in my vagina --> adoption


The only stuff left is convenience. Being pregnant sucks. Is that what this is about? It interferes with school, it interferes with work, it makes it harder to find random men to sleep with, it means buying a whole new set of clothes, etc. Is that what it comes down to?

Let's use you same reasoning to argue against driving a car. It's NEVER necessary to drive a car. You can always get there by airplane, train, taxi, bus, bicycle, hitch-hiking, getting a friend to take you, or walking. Any inconvenience associated with those other options is just an inconvenience. It's NEVER necessary to drive a car. Conclusion: You should not drive a car.

Now, you may respond: "The negatives of driving a car aren't THAT bad. So why shouldn't I drive a car?" But if you go there, then I can equally say, "The negatives of a first-trimester or early 2nd-trimester abortion aren't that bad. So why shouldn't women be able to get abortions?"

Only mental defectives think that a zygote and a baby are the same thing, and I'm not going to allow their mental illness to prevent women from having access to something as inconsequential as an abortion.

 

[momeNt]

Better question is what reason FOR abortion cannot also be used for infanticide.

The only way you can't justify infanticide with abortion arguments is if you take the stance that the fetus can only be considered alive if it is viable outside of the mothers womb, but this in itself is also a curious argument because an infant is completely dependent on the mother, just as much as a fetus is.

Full disclosure: If I was a legislator I don't think I'd be willing to impose my views on society and ban abortion, I simply am just having trouble finding a logically coherent and consistent argument that satisfies both the right to life of the mother, fetus, infant, and the mother's liberty to choose to terminate her pregnancy. The consistency fails in my opinion in that an argument for abortion opens the door to infanticide, something I think most people would agree is something we should protect against.

 

[First]

^ Abortion doesn't open up the door for infanticide unless you have particularly poor reasoning skills. Then again, that would explain your support of Ron Paul and praxeology, so there's some "logical" consistency there, lol.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'm very pro-abortion, but someone pointed out that almost every problem related to unwanted babies can be solved by putting babies up for adoption.
I can't afford to raise a baby --> adoption
I don't want my baby to be born in the year of the dragon - -> adoption
I was raped --> adoption
I don't want a baby --> adoption
Centipedes in my vagina --> adoption


The only stuff left is convenience. Being pregnant sucks. Is that what this is about? It interferes with school, it interferes with work, it makes it harder to find random men to sleep with, it means buying a whole new set of clothes, etc. Is that what it comes down to?

Do we want to use the same definitions for those born as for those who are unborn? If so, then before week 25 a fetus is effectively as dead as any braindead born human being that hospitals harvest organs from every day of every week of ever month of every year.

That is one.

A womans body is hers and hers alone, what right do you think you have to make any decision over her body? Isn't it HERS?

That is two

And this is where i call it a day. Don't want to have an abortion, don't have one, it's your body.

 

[momeNt]

^ Abortion doesn't open up the door for infanticide unless you have particularly poor reasoning skills. Then again, that would explain your support of Ron Paul and praxeology, so there's some "logical" consistency there, lol.

I think it does personally, but I'm willing to hear your opinion, hopefully you can correct what I feel is something that I believe in that is logically inconsistent.

I support someone's wishes to get an abortion, I don't want social safety nets picking up the tab for children that people don't want. I would just like something supporting my feelings that is logically consistent that allows for abortion, but is defensible against arguments that it allows for infanticide.

So, if you're willing to help me, please do, I'll read your response.

edit: Is it just as simple as a woman does not owe the unborn fetus the protection and nourishment it requires to sustain its life, but when they give birth to a child they owe them the protection and nourishment the child requires to sustain life? Is that a logically consistent argument that allows abortion but doesn't allow infanticide?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I have popcorn and a lawnchair.

Get yourself a clotheshanger too, you could make good money if the retarded men who vow to take control over womens bodies as if they were transporter pods for a new generation get their wish.

 

[Hugo Drax]

What if the baby is gonna be a halfwit, like downs etc.. Abortion

Otherwise society has to pay. Lots of retarded babies have been aborted that would otherwise put a big strain on society and the taxpayer.