I NEED TO FIND THE ** ATI X1800 XT ** RIGHT AWAY, SHIPPED FEDEX NEXT DAY! AT ANY COST!

[phr0m]

ooooo xmax we love you!!!!!!!!!!!!









and man this is a hell of a thread 7 pages!!!!

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Originally posted by: xMax
I know you guys think im crazy and retarted. The fact is that this whole field is not my specialty.

that tells alot about how you should listen to 99% of the posters in this thread shouldnt it?

 

[xMax]

AznAnarchy99, how did you post your rig like that. i tried doing the'my anandtech' thing where i fill out the information on my rig as it then automatically appears at the bottom of each of my posts as a link. But thats not the good one. The good one is the one you have, where all the information is displayed straight out. Thats the proper way, and the user should have the option of being able to paste it whenever he or she wants to.

Anyhow...This thread should really end.

im going to start a new one because the mobo(Intel D955XBK) and RAM(Corsair 5400UL) that i orderd may be out of stock, which means i may have to take a different selection.

My friend reccomended the Asus P5WD2 premium as the backup choice. I figure, if it take this board, which is an enthusiast board that overclocks well, then i might as well get the corsair 8000UL series, the fastest ones on the market, and then get some ridiculous phase shift cooling system.

Its absurd really. I dont need this power, but i figure, if ive gone this far, why the hell not spend another few hundred bucks on this phaseshift cooling thing and really get a macdaddy computer. Its like, if your a dope dealer and you control 90% of some region, and if you can control all of it, then why not.

Im gonna go take a look at those cooling systems to see what they are all about...

Ill be back.

Max

 

[AznAnarchy99]

click on profile, and put the info into the signature box at the bottom.

 

[Pete]

And maybe be nice to others and separate your components with commas or the ever-trendy slashes rather than line breaks. E.g.:

A64-X2 3800+ @ 2.6GHz 1.5V / DFI LANParty UT SLI-DR / Geil DDR500 512MB x 2 / Audigy 2 ZS / WD 250GB SATA / etc.

When your sig is 10x longer than your actual post, consider consolidating your sig.

 

[MDE]

It may be hard to believe, but AMD is better than Intel, just accept it and move on. There's proof all over the place, just look for it. Read some of Anandtech's CPU articles and catch up on a couple years of happenings.

 

[xMax]

i think it is true. AMD has surpassed Intel. Nonetheless, its not like its surpassed it be leaps and bounds. Getting the top AMD or the top Intel will still get you two powerhouse systems that will be toe to toe.

My cpu has already been bought, and with the motherboard im getting, that has the fast bus speed and supports the fast 667mhz ram, then i should be perfectly ok.

Im probably going to pass on overclocking.

Max

 

[phr0m]

if thats an ee p4 it has unlocked multi and should overclock realy easily

 

[xMax]

Sounds interesting. In fact, every product ive ordered is available except for my motherboard, the Intel D955XBK. This means i may have to resort to a different mobo. Im considering the Asus P5WD2. The only thing i havent figured out is the difference between the premium and non-primium versions. So far, it seems to be about connectivity. And if that were the only difference, then i would prefer the one that has less features since i dont like having a board with all kinds of stuff that i know i will not use.

Im going to have to start a new post for this subject.

Max

 

[Matthias99]

Although it pains me to wade into this thread, in case anyone wants some actual head-to-head CPU performance numbers:

THG's recently updated CPU charts (including the Pentium EE 840 on a 1066FSB 955X motherboard... which gets destroyed by most of the high-end Athlon64s in the real-world benches, although it runs Sandra's synthetic tests real fast).

 

[xMax]

First off, AMDs are the highest performance systems for games, since that is one of their core objectives. Secondly, you will notice that the top AMD system had the TOP AMD chip, the TOP AMD supporting motherboard, and the TOP AMD supporting RAM. And we are talking about single core processors, since thats what i need for my single application, and the discussion was about what was best for me.

This is the top AMD system on the THG charts

AMD 64 FX-57 2800/200
NF4
DDR 400

Without reference to the the graphics card, thats the top single core AMD system.

The top single core Intel single core system would be something like this

Intel P4 3.73 EE
Asus P5WD2 Premium (i955)
Corsair DDR2 (667)

But on THGs chart, the P4 3.73 was only coupled with an i925 motherboard, not the i955 board, and was given DDR2 533 RAM, not 667.

So why did the Flagship AMD chip get the top motherboard and the top RAM, while the Flagship Intel Processor, the P4 3.73, got the lower performance i925 mobo with the lower performance DDR2 533.

Thats not exactly a fair test.

And lets see how the tests will run with intels new i975 mobo coming out in jan/feb. This goes without mentioning their new P4 4ghz that is to come out soon.

What does all this mean. Well, the truth is that AMD has seriously steped up its game and for the moment, in all those unfair charts, AMD seems to be better. but when two companries are toe to toe like this, each one will keep taking the lead when their new product comes out.

Anyhow, im sick and tired of this thread.

But one thing is for sure; AMD Athlon is such a dull name. Compare that to Intel Pentium.

Maybe im just a sore loser, but i do have some solid arguments.

 

[bluegreenturtle]

My god, I feel dumber just for having read this thread.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: xMax
First off, AMDs are the highest performance systems for games, since that is one of their core objectives. Secondly, you will notice that the top AMD system had the TOP AMD chip, the TOP AMD supporting motherboard, and the TOP AMD supporting RAM. And we are talking about single core processors, since thats what i need for my single application, and the discussion was about what was best for me.

This is the top AMD system on the THG charts

AMD 64 FX-57 2800/200
NF4
DDR 400

Without reference to the the graphics card, thats the top single core AMD system.

The top single core Intel single core system would be something like this

Intel P4 3.73 EE
Asus P5WD2 Premium (i955)
Corsair DDR2 (667)

But on THGs chart, the P4 3.73 was only coupled with an i925 motherboard, not the i955 board, and was given DDR2 533 RAM, not 667.

So why did the Flagship AMD chip get the top motherboard and the top RAM, while the Flagship Intel Processor, the P4 3.73, got the lower performance i925 mobo with the lower performance DDR2 533.

Thats not exactly a fair test.

And lets see how the tests will run with intels new i975 mobo coming out in jan/feb. This goes without mentioning their new P4 4ghz that is to come out soon.

What does all this mean. Well, the truth is that AMD has seriously steped up its game and for the moment, in all those unfair charts, AMD seems to be better. but when two companries are toe to toe like this, each one will keep taking the lead when their new product comes out.

Anyhow, im sick and tired of this thread.

But one thing is for sure; AMD Athlon is such a dull name. Compare that to Intel Pentium.

Maybe im just a sore loser, but i do have some solid arguments.

How about an OpterOWN is that a better name.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: xMax
First off, AMDs are the highest performance systems for games, since that is one of their core objectives. Secondly, you will notice that the top AMD system had the TOP AMD chip, the TOP AMD supporting motherboard, and the TOP AMD supporting RAM. And we are talking about single core processors, since thats what i need for my single application, and the discussion was about what was best for me.

You asked for benches, I tried to supply them.

But on THGs chart, the P4 3.73 was only coupled with an i925 motherboard, not the i955 board, and was given DDR2 533 RAM, not 667.

So why did the Flagship AMD chip get the top motherboard and the top RAM, while the Flagship Intel Processor, the P4 3.73, got the lower performance i925 mobo with the lower performance DDR2 533.

Thats not exactly a fair test.

The article is a combination of some new tests and some older ones (running the same benchmarks on different hardware). When they tested the 3.73EE, they only had the i925 motherboard available, and now that they have the 955, they only have the slower processor. It's as close a test as I've seen with such a large number of processors.

You can nitpick the exact hardware configurations if you want, but I think most people would draw the conclusion that the dual-core AMD processors are leading almost all the time, especially in terms of price/performance.

And lets see how the tests will run with intels new i975 mobo coming out in jan/feb. This goes without mentioning their new P4 4ghz that is to come out soon.

I'm a little unclear on what their new motherboard/chipset is going to bring to the table -- it doesn't seem like the 955 is all that much faster than the 925 in most situations, even with the increase in RAM speed. The only place it really shines is with some of the synthetic tests, and some of the video encoding -- and those are pretty heavily dependent on memory bandwidth.

A clockspeed boost would help close the gap in some of areas, but going 3.73->4.0 is not going to pull them ahead in a lot of those benchmarks. those

But one thing is for sure; AMD Athlon is such a dull name. Compare that to Intel Pentium.

 

[xMax]

Opteron is a better name than Athlon.

But this thread must end now. I will not be coming back because its waisting my time and the time of anybody who is looking at it.

My decision has been made, my product has been ordered, my system is overkill either way, as i prefer the Intel Product line over the AMD product line. Even if, for the present moment, AMD has a slight edge over Intel. And thats assuming this is true since as of yet i havent seen the P4 3.73 perform on an i955 1066 motherboard with high quality 667 DDR2 RAM.

I must move on now.

Goodbuy

 

[phr0m]

pentium means 5 wow cool name

 

[Matthias99]

In case xMax or anyone else is interested, here are some more numbers from XBitLabs:

Pentium D 840 versus competitors: article
Pentium XE 3.73 (on a 925XE running at 1066 bus) versus competitors: article

Some interesting results; basically, the P4s are better where they can use Hyperthreading extensively (as in PCMark), and in tasks where their extremely high memory bandwidth and clockspeed comes into play (such as some of the video encoding benchmarks). However, they're beaten handily in almost any multithreaded situation by the Athlon64 X2 4800+.

 

[Tangerines]

Originally posted by: xMax
Opteron is a better name than Athlon.

But this thread must end now. I will not be coming back because its waisting my time and the time of anybody who is looking at it.

My decision has been made, my product has been ordered, my system is overkill either way, as i prefer the Intel Product line over the AMD product line. Even if, for the present moment, AMD has a slight edge over Intel. And thats assuming this is true since as of yet i havent seen the P4 3.73 perform on an i955 1066 motherboard with high quality 667 DDR2 RAM.

I must move on now.

Goodbuy

Correction: AMD has a massive lead over Intel. And this is coming from a guy with a Pentium D 840.

Why can't you just accept that you're wrong?

 

[DRAGoNX515]

The Pentium EE 3.73 runs at 266x14 right? (266x4=1066FSB?)
Doesn't that mean the Ram running at DDR2 533 would be better for it since it would run in a 1:1 ratio, and DDR2 533 would also most likly have lower latencies than DDR2 667.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: xMax
im going to reread all this info. the problem is that i have an idea, but i guess what i really need is someone to litterally outline all the required computer features that i need for my exact specific application. So im going to see a computer technical guy who works at a computer store and see what he has to say. he is also a friend, so he wont lie and just try to load me up so he can make a buck

but the idea is that i definitely need a superfast hard drive, even though im going to run the animation from a ramdisk, which i believe works amazing through personal experience. but i suspect it doesnt actually load the entire animation into ram, since by inspecting the amount of available ram before and after loading and playing the animation, i noticed that the total size of the animation was not being completely loaded. oh...i get it, if the ram disk pretends to be a hard drive, and since windows media player plays anims from the drive by loading and unloading portions, then the same was happening with the ram disk. that makes sense. maybe.

anyways, 10 000rpm hard disk
fastest cpu just to be sure
800mhz or more fsb on the cpu
fastest ddr2 ram
fastest intel motherboard

but then there is the graphics card. i guess, i will just go with something like a sapphire x800 xt, since the computer technical friend of mine sells those, as i was looking for an ati, which ive given up on.

if i do that, then i cant possibly be missing a single component, for that card, and overclocked, will have it all. PERIOD. but that leaves me with only one question:

WOULD SUCH A BLOADED AND STOCKED CARD ACTUALLY SLOW MY COMPUTER DOWN?

i dont see why it should. i mean, if the cards features are not being used, then they are not being used. but im not sure. so if you guys can give one final comment on this last question, then i will leave stop bothering with my paranoid perfectionism.

but i will say thank you very much for clearing a few things. forums are just one of the most amazing features offered by the internet.

Max

Bleh, Alright list the specs of your current system. It appears that for your needs, all you need is a faster mobo/cpu and thats about it. Ignore these people, you don't need a dual core yada yada yada, for content less than 1080i/P, you can get away with less than a 3GHZ system. List the specs and we'll see the problem, your video card is not your issue, any video card Radeon and above will provide sufficient video acceleration. The Radeon 9800PRO has divx acceleration as well 2.1 IIRC but like I said, with a decent CPU, you should be fine. It's obvious the X850 card isn't the problem and it's your processing speed since it ran slow with it. Don't buy a new video card.

 

[imported_goku]

I just skimmed through the whole thread, this thread makes me cry. I can't believe it's filled which so many stupid people. No I'm not flaming the people saying AMD is better than intel because it is a fact, the extreme edition is pure garbage compared to the FX 57... But what is frustrating me is that people are recommending these rediculous systems, RAID 0 with 10K RPM WDC drives, FX/intel EE processors, DUAL CORE, it just sickens me. This guy isn't even doing HD video, he doesn't need anything more than a 3.06. It's <3.06 kid, 3.06 is your peak since thats HD requirement and your not doing HD, your doing less than HD. Please list your system specs.

 

[xMax]

The Pentium EE 3.73 runs at 533x2, or 266x4, or 1066x1. I have no idea what that means. First off, the P4 3.73 is single core. So i can imagine that dividing it by two would make sense for something like forward and back or two way. Or maybe the 1066 FSB has to be divided by two for dual channel RAM, and then by two again for two way. I really dont know how it works. From my perspectives, if the i955 motherboard supports 533 and 677, then how could 677 not be better. The only possible expanation is if the P4 has to be overclocked to be at a 1:1 ratio with the 667 RAM, in the advent that it is true that the RAM would not be on a 1:1 ratio with the CPU without CPU overclocking.

I only know that having them in a 1:1 ratio is proper because the guy selling me my computer, who is also a friend, mentioned it.

But if the FSB on the chip, the bus speed on the motherboard, and the speed of the chip, are all on a 1:1 ratio, then what about the graphics card. I guess it would be lower. Because the ATI X1800 XL has a core clock speed of 500mhz, which is not exactly on a 1:1 ratio, unless i overclock the board. But this cannot make sense, it cannot be simply based on clock speeds. The X1300 PRO has a clock speed of 600, but it has 128 memory interface and runs at 4 pixels per clock, while the X1800 XL has a 256 memory interface and runs at 16 pixels per clock.

For me to understand what features would be required for playing back an uncompressed AVI animation would be very difficult, as i have already asked this question. And to base it entirely on clock speed is blind and would most likely lead to an incorrect assessment.

Im just fed up of this ****. My computer has been bought, and everybody on this site has already told me that my system is already overkill. So it just makes no sense for me to continue seeking understanding.

 

[xMax]

No matter what, i have to get a new motherboard. For i have an old Intel D850GB which uses RDRAM, not DDR1 or DDR2, running at 133mhz. But even if my old system needs a simple little upgrade, its far too late now. For i have already purchased my new computer.

So give me 5 minutes and i will list my fundamental objective along with my newly bought system, where only the motherboard may need to be replaced because its not in stock.

Actually, my system can be seen when you click on Rig.

But give a couple of minutes here.

 

[xMax]

Given that i am in an extreme hurry, and given that i have the money, and accepting that i like Intel and dont have feel like switching to AMD, then the only solution was to get the top system that i could get.

The construction of the system in my mind begins with the CPU, where i chose Intel and not AMD. And its too late now, and i dont believe that this would be an issue. After that i take the top motherboard, which i believed was the Intel D955XBK. But that board is not available, so the computer friend of mine reccomended the Asus P5WD2 Premium as the backup board. Ok. so i take that board. The RAM should be fine, since going to the Corsair 1066mhz 8000UL would only make sense if i was planning on overclocking with liquid cooling, which would most likely be absurd. Besides that the graphics card should be fine and the Raptor shoudl also be perfect. In fact, i may not even need the raptor since i will be running from a ramdisk. Recall, these are multiple short clip animations.

So my simple objective is to run these less than a minute long clips that are all 1600x1200 in resolution and in uncompressed AVI format, as they will be played back at 4 frames per second.

The way i see, ive gone this far, so i might as well go al the way and take that Asus motherboard. The only question is wether i would need to add a ZALMAN CNPS9500LED in order to overclock my system to attain a healthy 1:1 ratio with the RAM, which according to DragonX515 would be faster than my CPU and motherboard.

Thats my situation. I can never hurt to take the best system when you have to make sure that you need to get it right.

P.S. I did return the X850 XT because i got all my money back and because the mobo i have to get now is going to be PCI-e as the X850 Xt was AGP. So thats history.

 

[DRAGoNX515]

When I talk about multiplyers and ratios, this is what I mean:
CPU's: Your Pentium runs at a final speed of 3.72 (or just FAST, nice system though, good for gaming), the way a CPU reaches that speed, in your case is the bus speed, or 266 in your case, multiplyed by the multiplyer. Thats were 266*14 comes from.

FSB: You computer uses a 1066 FSB, this comes from Intels quad pumped FSB, or 266*4. Thats pretty simple right?

Bus Speed: Now when I talk about bus speed, it will determine the speed of both the CPU and RAM. In your case it's 266, but thanks to a Ram divider, you RAM doesn't run at 533, but 667 like it should. All the numbers are related somehow, even in AMD's Hyper Transport, were it's bus speed multiplied by Hyper Transport multiplyer.

RAM dividers: AKA Ram ratios, this determines the final speed of the RAM. If it's 1:1, then it takes your bus speed and basically multiplies it by 2, since it's ddr ram, but thanks to dividers, RAM can run at a different speed than the bus speed, Performance difference is negligible when comparing 533 at 1:1 or 667 at whatever divider it uses.

And I see you haven't choosen a mobo yet, Go for the Asus, it's some good sh!t. EVEN though it's an Intel, it's still a insainly fast machine, good for gaming too.

EDIT: you posted while I was writing this, my recommendation for a CPU cooler would be the SI-120+120mm fan (a decent one).