I NEED TO FIND THE ** ATI X1800 XT ** RIGHT AWAY, SHIPPED FEDEX NEXT DAY! AT ANY COST!

[xMax]

Finally some good news. Im definitely going with that Asus board as Asus themselves told me its the fastest one for my CPU, and since my computer buddy reccomended it, as he really knows his stuff and wouldnt lie to make a profit.

Anyhow, the way i see it, if this SI-120+ 120mm is not as good as the ZALMAN CNPS9500LED, and since the ZALMAN is only 70$, AND since ive already spent over 3000$, then why not spend that extra 70$ to overclock my system nicely and have total peace of mind knowing that my system will do the job, even if its overkill.

The only reason i would get the CPU cooler is because with my RAM running at 266 x2, whihc is really 533, which means with a slight overcloking of the mobo and CPU, i will be able to use the full potential of the 667.

Again, for 70$, why not!

 

[DRAGoNX515]

Why not you say? SI-120 $44, 120mm fan $12,
Lets do math: 44+12= $57

So for $20 less than a 9500, you can get better cooling. Take my word for it, I have opened multiple threads on which CPU cooler is the best, and it is the SI-120 (and TT Typhoon, but thats a pain in the ass to install, so just forget about that one).

And if you want your ram to run at 667, like it's suppost to, you don't have to OC your bus speed, just change the ram divider in the mobo bios.

 

[xMax]

Excellent. I will take your word on it. I assumed the 9500 was the better one because i was told it was the best by my computer buddy. But i guess he may be wrong in this matter.

However, i dont even think im going to take the CPU cooler since if getting my RAM to run at 667, and if that somehow produces the 1:1 ratio, then i dont need the cooler.

Sounds good to me.

But i thought it was my CPU and mobo that had to be driven to the same level as the RAM running at 667. I guess thats all it comes down to. Wether i need a cooler to get my whole system to a 1:1 ratio. If i dont, then my system is complete. If i do, then i need a cooler.

 

[ddogg]

lol i thought u wanted an X1800XT at any price available....!! through your posts it shows you must be some immature kid just learning about computers, talk less n listen more!!

 

[Capt Caveman]

I can't believe you are spending over $3k on a system when you have no clue what you're buying. And yes, there is a SI-120 which is a better option than the XP-120 due to clearance issues. If you did any research, you would also know that for a less money an Intel 670 is a faster cpu that runs cooler. You'd think after getting all the crap you've received in this thread you would have done some more research or go to a more Intel friendly forum like ocforums.com, abxzone.com or xtremesystems.org to get advice. And all of them would tell you that you're wasting your money for what you're trying to do.

For half the money you've spent, the majority of pc enthusiasts on this forum and other's could build a faster system. And if you did your research, you'd know that the Asus P5WD2 Premium is the top mobo out there til the 975x boards come out. Plus, you can't overclock w/ an Intel motherboard if that's what you were planning on. To think that a motherboard that runs 1066fsb makes it the best board, shows that you just like being taken by simple marketing. The same goes for ram speed when you don't know how latencies, timings, etc have just as much effect on system performance.

Based on what you're doing, you won't notice the difference between your $3k plus system and a $800 Dell.

Edit: Don't try and overclock your system, based on the way you think, you'll fry your new system thinking that if you keep on raising your voltages your system will run faster.

You created this thread b/c you wanted to buy an ATI X1800XT no matter what the cost but instead bought a X1800XL, For $100 more, you should have bought a X1800XT since you've already put so much into your system. But that's b/c you spent so much money on your cpu when a $150 cpu overclocked can outperform it.

 

[DRAGoNX515]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
I can't believe you are spending over $3k on a system when you have no clue what you're buying. And yes, there is a SI-120 which is a better option than the XP-120 due to clearance issues. If you did any research, you would also know that for a less money an Intel 670 is a faster cpu that runs cooler. You'd think after getting all the crap you've received in this thread you would have done some more research or go to a more Intel friendly forum like ocforums.com, abxzone.com or xtremesystems.org to get advice. And all of them would tell you that you're wasting your money for what you're trying to do.

For half the money you've spent, the majority of pc enthusiasts on this forum and other's could build a faster system. And if you did your research, you'd know that the Asus P5WD2 Premium is the top mobo out there til the 975x boards come out. Plus, you can't overclock w/ an Intel motherboard if that's what you were planning on. To think that a motherboard that runs 1066fsb makes it the best board, shows that you just like being taken by simple marketing. The same goes for ram speed when you don't know how latencies, timings, etc have just as much effect on system performance.

Based on what you're doing, you won't notice the difference between your $3k plus system and a $800 Dell.

Edit: Don't try and overclock your system, based on the way you think, you'll fry your new system thinking that if you keep on raising your voltages your system will run faster.

You created this thread b/c you wanted to buy an ATI X1800XT no matter what the cost but instead bought a X1800XL, For $100 more, you should have bought a X1800XT since you've already put so much into your system. But that's b/c you spent so much money on your cpu when a $150 cpu overclocked can outperform it.

Yup, an Opteron 165 OCed to 2.7/2.8 will beat your system, and it's like $800 cheaper. But anyway at least it'll perform ALMOST as fast. But you already bought all the stuff so there's no changing that now. Your processor can get kind of hot with the stock cooler, so even it you arn't OCing, you should go for an aftermarket cooling system.
Just make sure, if you get the SI-120, you get the LGA775 retention brackeck for the mobo (which is sold seperatly).

 

[xMax]

I couldnt find the X1800 XT, or else i would have bought it. And im letting the technicians who work at the store im buying the computer at overclock my system. And they agreed that they will be responsible.

But dont you get it man. To completely rule out specs makes buying anything without resorting to going to forum just about impossible. The specs have to tell at least half the truth. The other half should be handled by discussions and research. But how was i supposed to know that this is not an intel friendly forum or that there weas such a thing. And this forum has done me so well for all other questions that ive posted.

But anyhow, my mistake is simple. I am not supposed to be here. I was supposed to follow my logic by simply taking the top system as that would guarantee that my animations will run properly. And this has to be correct since everybody in here is telling me that i could have achieved what i want with a much cheaper computer.

And so, everything is perfect. I dont care what money i spent, as long as my system will work for my objective, then i am complete.

The only thing that i want is a full 1:1 ratio functioning system between the CPU, Motherboard, and RAM.

But im going to guess that the P4 3.73 (1066 FSB), with the Asus P5WD2, along with the Corsair 5400UL (667), will be at a 1:1 ratio, unless somebody here mentions that it is not. At which point, i will get a cpu fan and then im complete. In this case, with getting my system to run at 1:1, it would simply be a matter of luxury.

Although i am curious as to how fast the Graphics card, since its probably not going to run at the same ratio as the rest of the system, assuming it is 1:1. But there is no need to open up such a discussion for graphics cards with pixel pipelines memory interface and clock speed and memory speed would make for a very difficult almost impossible discussion.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: xMax
Finally some good news. Im definitely going with that Asus board as Asus themselves told me its the fastest one for my CPU, and since my computer buddy reccomended it, as he really knows his stuff and wouldnt lie to make a profit.

Anyhow, the way i see it, if this SI-120+ 120mm is not as good as the ZALMAN CNPS9500LED, and since the ZALMAN is only 70$, AND since ive already spent over 3000$, then why not spend that extra 70$ to overclock my system nicely and have total peace of mind knowing that my system will do the job, even if its overkill.

The only reason i would get the CPU cooler is because with my RAM running at 266 x2, whihc is really 533, which means with a slight overcloking of the mobo and CPU, i will be able to use the full potential of the 667.

Again, for 70$, why not!

You're certainly good at wasting money. BTW, WTH do you need to play back uncompressed video at such a low framerate? This seems like a very odd task and I'm surprised that you have so much money to waste for such an odd task.

 

[DRAGoNX515]

The only ratio there is is between the CPU and RAM, there is none for PCI-E, or graphics card. That is a completly differnnt thing.

And for right now, don't worry about OCing you system, or 1:1 ratio, let it run as it is for now, then when you have all the parts, then we can worry about OCing them. It doesn't have to run 1:1 you know, thats what ram dividers are for!!!

 

[Capt Caveman]

Your whole problem is that you don't understand what you're even talking about. You know that nothing is running at 1:1 ratio b/c everything is running against a multiplier. And even if you could run your system at 1:1 ratio, it doesn't mean that's the best performance. In order to get 1:1, you may need to sacrifice your timings which can have a bigger performance boost. Plus, by overclocking you can raise any non-Intel 800fsb motherboards higher, even over 1066mhz. And there is no performance difference between the Asus P5WD2 and Asus P5WD2 Premium. The difference is in the features it offers. Of course, Asus is going to tell you to buy the Premium b/c they'll make more money off of you. Just like the folks at the computer shop you're buying your system, they're just getting you to believe that spending more money means better. If you did any research, you would know that the Intel 670 at almost $500 less outperforms your cpu.

Before you go by specs, you need to understand what they mean. You are a marketers dream.

As many folks have told you here(AMD and Intel owners), AMD makes a better product right now. We have no incentive like Asus or your computer shop to lie to you. If you do a froogle search, you'll find the X1800XT at many places. Heck, ewiz had them for $495 before selling out.

If you plan on having that computer shop overclock your system, you better hope that they guarantee their work b/c you void the warranties on all of your parts by overclocking.

 

[xMax]

I need a time out.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Your whole problem is that you don't understand what you're even talking about. You know that nothing is running at 1:1 ratio b/c everything is running against a multiplier. And even if you could run your system at 1:1 ratio, it doesn't mean that's the best performance. In order to get 1:1, you may need to sacrifice your timings which can have a bigger performance boost. Plus, by overclocking you can raise any non-Intel 800fsb motherboards higher, even over 1066mhz. And there is no performance difference between the Asus P5WD2 and Asus P5WD2 Premium. The difference is in the features it offers. Of course, Asus is going to tell you to buy the Premium b/c they'll make more money off of you. Just like the folks at the computer shop you're buying your system, they're just getting you to believe that spending more money means better. If you did any research, you would know that the Intel 670 at almost $500 less outperforms your cpu.

Before you go by specs, you need to understand what they mean. You are a marketers dream.

As many folks have told you here(AMD and Intel owners), AMD makes a better product right now. We have no incentive like Asus or your computer shop to lie to you. If you do a froogle search, you'll find the X1800XT at many places. Heck, ewiz had them for $495 before selling out.

If you plan on having that computer shop overclock your system, you better hope that they guarantee their work b/c you void the warranties on all of your parts by overclocking.

I couldn't agree more, QFT! And when you mentioned the intel owners, I happen to be one of them. They way current trends will be going, I will be getting and AMD based SOCKET M2 system.

 

[v8envy]

You know, I kinda feel sad for the guy. Spent 3 grand, and will get a lower performing box than a $1000 Dell. Philosophy and weird arguments aside, he's a poster child of why it's important to spend a few weeks doing research every time you plan a PC build.

And he won't even get to brag about his giant e-peen to any other computer enthusiasts. It'll be like whipping out a 3 incher, and then having everyone else unzip and slap their footlong down in comparison.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: xMax
Finally some good news. Im definitely going with that Asus board as Asus themselves told me its the fastest one for my CPU, and since my computer buddy reccomended it, as he really knows his stuff and wouldnt lie to make a profit.

Its that kind of thing that got you into, thinking that Intel is the better CPU manufacturer. I think we are seeing a pattern. Do you find yourself tugged two ways in the Bud vs. Miller media war. Do you believe that Toyota is like a rock, or f150s are built Ford Tough. For some reason you seem very impressionable. In Fact I have two organizations I think you would work well with One is a company called QuickStar and the other Is the Church of Scientology.

Good luck with your machine, it is overkill for what you need. But remember just because it is overkill doesn't mean youdo at least some research to make sure your buying the best product at that Price point.

 

[Chesebert]

Originally posted by: v8envy
You know, I kinda feel sad for the guy. Spent 3 grand, and will get a lower performing box than a $1000 Dell. Philosophy and weird arguments aside, he's a poster child of why it's important to spend a few weeks doing research every time you plan a PC build.

And he won't even get to brag about his giant e-peen to any other computer enthusiasts. It'll be like whipping out a 3 incher, and then having everyone else unzip and slap their footlong down in comparison.

Its great when you have few weeks..but when the "hot deal" gets going...its now or never...LOL....I got the 165, C3D, PSU, mobo all decided in 1 hr......You would have to call that impulse buy in retail settings...damn u hot deal forum. ...off topic..sorry

 

[bamacre]

edit: notices long ass thread.

After reading through the first 4 pages, I really just don't care anymore.

 

[Abhi]

I love this thread...

p.s. Recently changed from Intel to AMD myself

 

[xMax]

haha.. im a nut!

But Goku, you made my day!

I did a froogle search (google rules), and found and bought my beloved true ATI X1800 XT. It cost me 595$ american. Which i guess is actually average or maybe 10 or 20 dollars more expensive than average. The shipping, of course, being that it has to be sent to canada, and sent UPS WORLDWIDE EXPRESS, cost 77$. So yeah, thats an arm and a leg. But money is not an issue right now. Time is the mother******.

So now all that remains is the motherboard. Its either going to be the Intel D955XBK or the Asus P5WD2 Premium or non premium version.

Ive recontacted Asus, and this time they said that the premium is actually the exact same motherboard as the non-premium version with the only difference being all these added connectivity features, which i completely dont need. With that said, then my options come down to either Intels own or the Asus non premium board.

At this point in time, if anybody really knows which of these two motherboards has the higher performance, then im all ears. There is one thing that i have noticed, and that is that the Asus board seems to support native DDR2 RAM speed at 800mhz. That is, the Intel board supports 533/677, while the Asus board supports 533/677 and 800 in native form.

If this is so, then that means that i should go with the Asus.

And if i do go with the Asus, then there will only be one remaining option, CPU cooler.

Im definitely not going with any liquid cooling. Im thinking along the lines of air coolers.

I have to find out which is the best one out there. So far there is the ZAlMAN CNPS9500LED or the SI-120, which according to Dragonx515 is actually better and cheaper. The only problem i have with this cooler is that its not specialized for the LGA775 socket, but instead for all sorts of sockets, including AMD. And from what i know, usually, a product is better when its specialized and not general. So i need to think this through now. Help would be nice.

Max

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: xMax
haha.. im a nut!

But Goku, you made my day!

I did a froogle search (google rules), and found and bought my beloved true ATI X1800 XT. It cost me 595$ american. Which i guess is actually average or maybe 10 or 20 dollars more expensive than average. The shipping, of course, being that it has to be sent to canada, and sent UPS WORLDWIDE EXPRESS, cost 77$. So yeah, thats an arm and a leg. But money is not an issue right now. Time is the mother******.

So now all that remains is the motherboard. Its either going to be the Intel D955XBK or the Asus P5WD2 Premium or non premium version.

Ive recontacted Asus, and this time they said that the premium is actually the exact same motherboard as the non-premium version with the only difference being all these added connectivity features, which i completely dont need. With that said, then my options come down to either Intels own or the Asus non premium board.

At this point in time, if anybody really knows which of these two motherboards has the higher performance, then im all ears. There is one thing that i have noticed, and that is that the Asus board seems to support native DDR2 RAM speed at 800mhz. That is, the Intel board supports 533/677, while the Asus board supports 533/677 and 800 in native form.

If this is so, then that means that i should go with the Asus.

And if i do go with the Asus, then there will only be one remaining option, CPU cooler.

Im definitely not going with any liquid cooling. Im thinking along the lines of air coolers.

I have to find out which is the best one out there. So far there is the ZAlMAN CNPS9500LED or the SI-120, which according to Dragonx515 is actually better and cheaper. The only problem i have with this cooler is that its not specialized for the LGA775 socket, but instead for all sorts of sockets, including AMD. And from what i know, usually, a product is better when its specialized and not general. So i need to think this through now. Help would be nice.

Max

xMaX

Why if money is no object are you getting "only" the second fastest Video card.

 

[mezrah]

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: xMax
haha.. im a nut!

But Goku, you made my day!

I did a froogle search (google rules), and found and bought my beloved true ATI X1800 XT. It cost me 595$ american. Which i guess is actually average or maybe 10 or 20 dollars more expensive than average. The shipping, of course, being that it has to be sent to canada, and sent UPS WORLDWIDE EXPRESS, cost 77$. So yeah, thats an arm and a leg. But money is not an issue right now. Time is the mother******.

So now all that remains is the motherboard. Its either going to be the Intel D955XBK or the Asus P5WD2 Premium or non premium version.

Ive recontacted Asus, and this time they said that the premium is actually the exact same motherboard as the non-premium version with the only difference being all these added connectivity features, which i completely dont need. With that said, then my options come down to either Intels own or the Asus non premium board.

At this point in time, if anybody really knows which of these two motherboards has the higher performance, then im all ears. There is one thing that i have noticed, and that is that the Asus board seems to support native DDR2 RAM speed at 800mhz. That is, the Intel board supports 533/677, while the Asus board supports 533/677 and 800 in native form.

If this is so, then that means that i should go with the Asus.

And if i do go with the Asus, then there will only be one remaining option, CPU cooler.

Im definitely not going with any liquid cooling. Im thinking along the lines of air coolers.

I have to find out which is the best one out there. So far there is the ZAlMAN CNPS9500LED or the SI-120, which according to Dragonx515 is actually better and cheaper. The only problem i have with this cooler is that its not specialized for the LGA775 socket, but instead for all sorts of sockets, including AMD. And from what i know, usually, a product is better when its specialized and not general. So i need to think this through now. Help would be nice.

Max

xMaX

Why if money is no object are you getting "only" the second fastest Video card.

It has begun!

 

[xMax]

Not this time Topweasel. The ATI X1800 XT is the fastest videocard on the planet right now. And this is not my opinion, but just about the opinion of every review that i have seen. It kills the Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX in all specs and benchmarck tests. The only thing that Nvidia card has more of than the ATI card is pixel pipelines with 24 as opposed to ATIs' 16. Besides that, the ATI card is the top card. You can take a look at this link right here.

Comparison of top ATI and ttop Nvidia Cards

This is just the specs, which obviously, as you all say, is not everything. For shootouts, you can find them everywhere, as i have, where the ATI card is simply the top card on the market right now.

Moving on...

the motherboard is the issue right now.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: xMax
Not this time Topweasel. The ATI X1800 XT is the fastest videocard on the planet right now. And this is not my opinion, but just about the opinion of every review that i have seen. It kills the Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX in all specs and benchmarck tests. The only thing that Nvidia card has more of than the ATI card is pixel pipelines with 24 as opposed to ATIs' 16. Besides that, the ATI card is the top card. You can take a look at this link right here.

Comparison of top ATI and ttop Nvidia Cards

This is just the specs, which obviously, as you all say, is not everything. For shootouts, you can find them everywhere, as i have, where the ATI card is simply the top card on the market right now.

Moving on...

Your link is out of date. The new 512MB 7800GTX is faster than the stock X1800XT. In any case, it's sort of irrelevant, since you don't appear interested in any of our advice.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: mezrah

Originally posted by: Topweasel

Originally posted by: xMax
haha.. im a nut!

But Goku, you made my day!

I did a froogle search (google rules), and found and bought my beloved true ATI X1800 XT. It cost me 595$ american. Which i guess is actually average or maybe 10 or 20 dollars more expensive than average. The shipping, of course, being that it has to be sent to canada, and sent UPS WORLDWIDE EXPRESS, cost 77$. So yeah, thats an arm and a leg. But money is not an issue right now. Time is the mother******.

So now all that remains is the motherboard. Its either going to be the Intel D955XBK or the Asus P5WD2 Premium or non premium version.

Ive recontacted Asus, and this time they said that the premium is actually the exact same motherboard as the non-premium version with the only difference being all these added connectivity features, which i completely dont need. With that said, then my options come down to either Intels own or the Asus non premium board.

At this point in time, if anybody really knows which of these two motherboards has the higher performance, then im all ears. There is one thing that i have noticed, and that is that the Asus board seems to support native DDR2 RAM speed at 800mhz. That is, the Intel board supports 533/677, while the Asus board supports 533/677 and 800 in native form.

If this is so, then that means that i should go with the Asus.

And if i do go with the Asus, then there will only be one remaining option, CPU cooler.

Im definitely not going with any liquid cooling. Im thinking along the lines of air coolers.

I have to find out which is the best one out there. So far there is the ZAlMAN CNPS9500LED or the SI-120, which according to Dragonx515 is actually better and cheaper. The only problem i have with this cooler is that its not specialized for the LGA775 socket, but instead for all sorts of sockets, including AMD. And from what i know, usually, a product is better when its specialized and not general. So i need to think this through now. Help would be nice.

Max

xMaX

Why if money is no object are you getting "only" the second fastest Video card.

It has begun!

I couldn't help myself, I knew it was wrong of me to attempt to destroy his understanding of computer hardware, but I just had to.

 

[xMax]

Why didnt anybody mention this. I cant believe this ****. Why didnt anybody mention that Nvidia just came out with a card.

****me.

Oh man. That really bytes.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: xMax
Not this time Topweasel. The ATI X1800 XT is the fastest videocard on the planet right now. And this is not my opinion, but just about the opinion of every review that i have seen. It kills the Nvidia GeForce 7800 GTX in all specs and benchmarck tests. The only thing that Nvidia card has more of than the ATI card is pixel pipelines with 24 as opposed to ATIs' 16. Besides that, the ATI card is the top card. You can take a look at this link right here.

Comparison of top ATI and ttop Nvidia Cards

This is just the specs, which obviously, as you all say, is not everything. For shootouts, you can find them everywhere, as i have, where the ATI card is simply the top card on the market right now.

Moving on...

the motherboard is the issue right now.

Actually Two things, the XT is marginally faster in some thing and marginally behind in others compared to a 7800GTX, which I consider a wash. In fact more sites gave it the benifit of the doubt due to the impending release of the 7800GTX 512mb which if you read carefully is more then just an increase in memory but also a increase in clock speed and memory speed. It is the Unquestioned and unmatched leader right now in everything.

Also one thing to keep in mind that Specs and Benchmarks done by everyone are at the Default speed of 430 for the GTX, where as very few run at that speed and most are at 460 or higher with one or two manufacturers running them at 490. As it stands no ATI manufacturer runs an x1800XT at anything higher then the speeds ATI released it at. Till we see more Retail vs. retail comaparisons between the 7800GTX and the x1800XT I don't think we will have a true Idea outside personal testing to figure out which is better then the other.

Like the GTX before it the GTX 512MB is already being sold by manufacturers at specs above the Nvida release at 550MHz, with BFG sitting at a 24 pipe ship running at 580 with its memory running at I believe 1750 (or is a strait 1800MHz). So again at over 100MHz slower the GTX was a close fight with with the X1800XT with faster memory 100MHZ+ core increase and twice as much memory, the fight is over (till the ATI PE version) and you are now getting the second fastest (by reviews) card which may be little faster if not actually slower then retail 7800GTXs that sell for $150 less.