I need to get control of a domain name from the current registrant.

[rbhawcroft]

A retailer that doesnt seem to be trading and was only a one outlet business is pretty uncontactable, and has a domain name I want for my fledgling business. It is avnetworks.com if you do a whois for av-networks.com you will see the details. I intend to Trade Mark the name of the product line (AV Networks) and to use the website, as it is associated to the name of my product line. This registrant isn't using it and admin control for av-networks.com is with his old ISP, and avnetwork.com with a brokerage asking a min of 700usd. How can I force this person to hand the domain name control over for little or no money? Please help.

 

[fr]

I don't think you will be able to force the owner to give it to you.

 

[Daniel]

Originally posted by: rbhawcroft
This registrant isn't using it and admin control for av-networks.com is with his old ISP, and avnetwork.com with a brokerage asking a min of 700usd. How can I force this person to hand the domain name control over for little or no money? Please help.

You are probably out of luck, they own it legally, and know it is worth something, so you trademarking the name after the fact and trying to get it from them for free really doesn't sound like it would fly.

 

[WombatWoman]

If this person owned the domain name before you acquired your trademark, I doubt that you can "force" him to do anything. Nor do I think you should be able to do so. Make an offer. Negotiate.

 

[rbhawcroft]

isnt there a legal position, that they are holding a name and have no intention of letting someone use it.

 

[Soulflare]

Originally posted by: rbhawcroft
isnt there a legal position, that they are holding a name and have no intention of letting someone use it.

No.

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: WombatWoman
If this person owned the domain name before you acquired your trademark, I doubt that you can "force" him to do anything. Nor do I think you should be able to do so. Make an offer. Negotiate.

there is no way i am paying more then the cost to register for the domain name. Ill try and use trademark law and make his defence/ time cost him more than its worth, it if he doesnt hand it over.

 

[PlatinumGold]

isnt there a legal position, that they are holding a name and have no intention of letting someone use it.

So if i own land and have NO INTENTION of using it, u can force me to give it to you??

what world are you living in??

 

[aphex]

Someone took the name i wanted (aphex.net) for a freakin search portal... Assmongers... Theres nothing i can do though...

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: rbhawcroft

Originally posted by: WombatWoman
If this person owned the domain name before you acquired your trademark, I doubt that you can "force" him to do anything. Nor do I think you should be able to do so. Make an offer. Negotiate.

there is no way i am paying more then the cost to register for the domain name. Ill try and use trademark law and make his defence/ time cost him more than its worth, it if he doesnt hand it over.

i get the feeling that the time you spend doing that won't be worth saving the 700 bucks

 

[rbhawcroft]

so if atandt own the only telephone exchange that you can access and just say we wont connect you is that ok?

well this guy isnt leveraging money out of me for nothing. cybersquatting is despicable, and Im not going to tolerate putting money into a name/ brand recognition only to have that investment ameliorated by this guy.

 

[rbhawcroft]

well when VISA went to register in australia they found the vomiting infant sickness association, which was a squat site, and wasnt a business, anyway defunt businesses cant claim any business interest in the name, he isnt even paying for hosting.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold


what world are you living in??

make a counter offer or pick a different domain

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold




make a counter offer or pick a different domain

id pay him upto 100usd no problem, but not 700. i wont use a different name for the business, I can force his hand with a legal proceeding even if it comes to nothing for me it will cost him some time and money, and if I do it in the UK its even more hassle for him.

 

[WombatWoman]

I just checked, and the domain name bullyingbastard.com is available.

 

[Adul]

yhou really cant do anything legally. he owns it and you don't. Make him an offer and see if he bites. Otherwise find something else.

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: WombatWoman
I just checked, and the domain name bullyingbastard.com is available.

i'll squat on it then

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: aphexII
Someone took the name i wanted (aphex.net) for a freakin search portal... Assmongers... Theres nothing i can do though...

you have a business aphex dont you? its a shame that local businesses cant use local domain endings, because like I said this was just a one shop business I think.

 

[rbhawcroft]

I have emailed him, but his information is out of date as well. If he want more than 100usd then ill force him into court and maybe he will say ok, because I cant see that he could win.

 

[bsobel]

I have emailed him, but his information is out of date as well. If he want more than 100usd then ill force him into court and maybe he will say ok, because I cant see that he could win.

You have zero understanding of the law. You have absolutely no rights to the domain, zero, nada, none. Not only that but your already telling us how you going to go bully the guy over $600. Your a joke.

Originally posted by: WombatWoman
If this person owned the domain name before you acquired your trademark, I doubt that you can "force" him to do anything. Nor do I think you should be able to do so. Make an offer. Negotiate.

there is no way i am paying more then the cost to register for the domain name. Ill try and use trademark law and make his defence/ time cost him more than its worth, it if he doesnt hand it over.

I hope you don't get it. If you do, I'll try and start a boycott and make sure everyone knows how you stole the name. Your a slimebag.

Bill

 

[bsobel]

Oh good, avnetworkssucks.com and av-networkssucks.com is available. Maybe one of us should go grab it and make the home page link to this thread...

 

[WombatWoman]

Originally posted by: rbhawcroft
I have emailed him, but his information is out of date as well. If he want more than 100usd then ill force him into court and maybe he will say ok, because I cant see that he could win.

Those who file frivolous lawsuits are often held accountable for the costs of same. If you intend to proceed with this, I suggest that you seek the advice of an attorney, not a geek forum like this one.

 

[PlatinumGold]

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I hope you don't get it. If you do, I'll try and start a boycott and make sure everyone knows how you stole the name. Your a slimebag.

Bill

i'm with you bill.

rbhawcroft. i find your attitude more despicable than "Cybersquatting". first of all, the owners here aren't cybersquatting. they actually were at one point trying to run a business. they didn't do it knowing that you were going to trademark the name (it's not like registering ford.com or GM.com, a well known name.

also as far as he's concerned he's marketed the name for his product and you are going to benefit from that marketing. HE has every right to try and sell it on the open market, the fact that you invested money on your little product line w/o doing your DUE DILIGENCE first does not give you the right to bully him.

YOUR DISGUSTING.

 

[rbhawcroft]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: rbhawcroft

there is no way i am paying more then the cost to register for the domain name. Ill try and use trademark law and make his defence/ time cost him more than its worth, it if he doesnt hand it over.

I hope you don't get it. If you do, I'll try and start a boycott and make sure everyone knows how you stole the name. Your a slimebag.

Bill

well cheers. you could see it that he is a squatter and using the fact that he has the domain name to force money out of me, and anyway you dont own a domain name you rent the right for it to reference your web site, and he isnt using it.

 

[WombatWoman]

Originally posted by: bsobel
Oh good, avnetworkssucks.com is available. Maybe one of us should go grab it and make the home page link to this thread...

LOL! Don'tcha just love free enterprise?