I NEED VISTA DRIVERS FOR NVIDIA 8800GTX :!

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

I never said nothing has changed. I said this is the first release after the pre-release, don't twist my words.

Yes you did:

They didn't change anything, they finally released it.

'finalizing` != `changing or updating`.

 

[BlizzardOne]

bloody hell.

read your own post

first you say they finalized it.

then you say this lil gem;

compare to pre-releases:
tons of changes, updates, and still has issues.

and now, finalizing isn't changing or updating.

what next? finalizing has nothing to do with hardware??

D3D10 has nothing to with Vista??

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
bloody hell.

read your own post

first you say they finalized it.

then you say this lil gem;

compare to pre-releases:
tons of changes, updates, and still has issues.

and now, finalizing isn't changing or updating.

what next? finalizing has nothing to do with hardware??

D3D10 has nothing to with Vista??

Ok lets clear this inane argument up.

D3D 10 had pre-release with multiple changes that were available only to MS staff (I would assume). Beggerking and I are saying that this December SDK release is the Final Release. Any changes that are made are not updates as you are implying as no one else had access to them. They are just changes from the Pre-Release to the Final Release.

I honestly don't know how this relates to the topic at hand.

-Kevin

 

[ta8689]

 

[BlizzardOne]

Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
bloody hell.

read your own post

first you say they finalized it.

then you say this lil gem;

compare to pre-releases:
tons of changes, updates, and still has issues.

and now, finalizing isn't changing or updating.

what next? finalizing has nothing to do with hardware??

D3D10 has nothing to with Vista??

facts:
1.
In MS iterative development process:

Finalize = a major milestone, its the birth of a new product
updates = a step , changes made to an already existing product

therefore vista beta != vista aka finalize != update

2.
DX10 was in beta

3.
how does d3d10 have anything to do with vista? please explain?

edit: go read a book or something.. stop trolling + fuding.

edit2: reply to your previous post, dx9 driver for vista != dx10 driver.

 

[Ateo]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

They are ahead of schedule with drivers for other graphics cards, big deal?
Ahead means that they are out BEFORE the Windows Vista launch.

I hope I do not need to call Microsoft in the morning and ask them for the RELEASE date for Windows vista in order for this none-issue to die?

I would take it that the link to Microsoft's own webpage, stating PREORDER for Windows Vista should suffice...unless there is another agenda here?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

A. Geforce 8 is a completely different Architecture. Not based on any of the previous ones.
B. Nvidia deemed it was time to begin a new Unified Driver set because of the huge differences.
C. DX 10 is supported on the Geforce 8 series, not any of the previous series, therefore code needs to be written for that.

Xtknight or BFG can probably explain "why" far better than me as they have more intricate knowledge of software coding.

-Kevin

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: Ateo

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

They are ahead of schedule with drivers for other graphics cards, big deal?
Ahead means that they are out BEFORE the Windows Vista launch.

I hope I do not need to call Microsoft in the morning and ask them for the RELEASE date for Windows vista in order for this none-issue to die?

I would take it that the link to Microsoft's own webpage, stating PREORDER for Windows Vista should suffice...unless there is another agenda here?

Well according to some folks here, Vista isn't released yet, so nVidia doesn't need to release drivers for Vista yet.

Yet nVidia does have drivers for all recent nVidia cards (read last 5 years +) except the one generation that claims to be Vista Ready!

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: Ateo

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

They are ahead of schedule with drivers for other graphics cards, big deal?
Ahead means that they are out BEFORE the Windows Vista launch.

I hope I do not need to call Microsoft in the morning and ask them for the RELEASE date for Windows vista in order for this none-issue to die?

I would take it that the link to Microsoft's own webpage, stating PREORDER for Windows Vista should suffice...unless there is another agenda here?

Well according to some folks here, Vista isn't released yet, so nVidia doesn't need to release drivers for Vista yet.

Yet nVidia does have drivers for all recent nVidia cards (read last 5 years +) except the one generation that claims to be Vista Ready!

Ok so they are a step ahead of the game with the other drivers and video cards because their drivers do not need the attention that I listed in my previous post. What are you getting at?

-Kevin

 

[beggerking]

dude, see edit2.

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: beggerking
edit2: reply to your previous post, dx9 driver for vista != dx10 driver.

No sh!t, sherlock.

If they can get a driver out before Vista for the GeForce 7, why not the GeForce 8?

how does d3d10 have anything to do with vista? please explain?

I'm mocking you and your hardware has nothing to do with software rant many moons ago

Add why read a book? This is far more entertaining! :laugh:

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: beggerking
edit2: reply to your previous post, dx9 driver for vista != dx10 driver.

No sh!t, sherlock.

If they can get a driver out before Vista for the GeForce 7, why not the GeForce 8?

how does d3d10 have anything to do with vista? please explain?

I'm mocking you and your hardware has nothing to do with software rant many moons ago

Add why read a book? This is far more entertaining! :laugh:

guess you just don't get it..

THERE ARE NO DX10 OUT! Geforce7 dnt have the hardware for it. These are dx9 driver for vista.

edit : That was taken out of context , yet no one can explain how software has anything to do w. hardware (physically). Can u?

 

[Gamingphreek]

No sh!t, sherlock.

If they can get a driver out before Vista for the GeForce 7, why not the GeForce 8?

He just said it as did I. The Geforce 7 series and prior do not support DX 10. The Geforce 8 series does, therefore they need to recode the drivers for DX 10 as it handles Pixel Shading and Calculations in a different manner than DX 9.

'm mocking you and your hardware has nothing to do with software rant many moons ago

Add why read a book? This is far more entertaining!

If you have to explain your mock, then it isn't very good.....I don't recall him ever saying that either.

-Kevin

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

A. Geforce 8 is a completely different Architecture. Not based on any of the previous ones.
B. Nvidia deemed it was time to begin a new Unified Driver set because of the huge differences.
C. DX 10 is supported on the Geforce 8 series, not any of the previous series, therefore code needs to be written for that.

Xtknight or BFG can probably explain "why" far better than me as they have more intricate knowledge of software coding.

-Kevin

Fair points, however XP drivers exist for the 7 seriesm and they were able to make Vista drivers to support that easily enough.

They also have XP drivers that support the 8 series, which in no way, shape or form taps into the DX10 capabilities of G80. Why not atleast release a driver that atleast provides support for the 8 series, under Vista to atleast utilize up to DX9.0c capabilities (i.e what the XP driver provides)?

Atleast then people can use something other than the generic Vista VGA driver.. Sure people will complain that they don't fully support DX10 etc, but atm, there's virtually zero DX10 software - but atleast they'll be able to use their shiny new 8800 GTX in conjunction with Vista.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Remember the 9700pro back in the day?

 

[Ateo]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Well according to some folks here, Vista isn't released yet, so nVidia doesn't need to release drivers for Vista yet.

Yet nVidia does have drivers for all recent nVidia cards (read last 5 years +) except the one generation that claims to be Vista Ready!

I am one of those folks?
Why?
Because Microsoft says so:
Yet, again link to Microsoft and Windows Vista PREORDER!!!

And what do you care about that they still havn't a driver for a UNRELEASED product?
But to cut through the chase here, I will call Microsoft first thing in the morning and get their view on the release of Windows Vista.

The question then remains if you will take their word for it?
Because if Microsoft says that Windows vista hasn't launched offically yet, only a troll/shill would pursue this topic anymore untill the actuall release of Windows Vista.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

A. Geforce 8 is a completely different Architecture. Not based on any of the previous ones.
B. Nvidia deemed it was time to begin a new Unified Driver set because of the huge differences.
C. DX 10 is supported on the Geforce 8 series, not any of the previous series, therefore code needs to be written for that.

Xtknight or BFG can probably explain "why" far better than me as they have more intricate knowledge of software coding.

-Kevin

Fair points, however XP drivers exist for the 7 seriesm and they were able to make Vista drivers to support that easily enough.

They also have XP drivers that support the 8 series, which in no way, shape or form taps into the DX10 capabilities of G80. Why not atleast release a driver that atleast provides support for the 8 series, under Vista to atleast utilize up to DX9.0c capabilities (i.e what the XP driver provides)?

Atleast then people can use something other than the generic Vista VGA driver.. Sure people will complain that they don't fully support DX10 etc, but atm, there's virtually zero DX10 software - but atleast they'll be able to use their shiny new 8800 GTX in conjunction with Vista.

They made 7 series for Vista because they did not have to incorporate DX 10 coding.

The XP Drivers for the 8800 series also do not support DX 10 in any way shape or form (AFAIK) because DX 10 will never be ported from Vista to XP.

Why not atleast release a driver that atleast provides support for the 8 series, under Vista to atleast utilize up to DX9.0c capabilities (i.e what the XP driver provides)?

Because XP isn't using DX 10. They cannot design a driver that only supports up to DX 9 or it will just simply not work with Vista.

Vista uses DX 10 - 8800 supports DX 10 - Drivers must support DX 10 or they will not work

XP uses DX 9 - 8800 series can still run DX 9 - Drivers must support DX 9 or they will not work.

Vista uses DX 10 - 7800 does not support DX 9 - Drivers do not have to support DX 10

XP uses DX 9 - 7800 series supports DX 9 - Drivers must support DX 9 or they will not work

(^ That is the way I understand the coding of the Direct X API)

-Kevin

 

[Mr Fox]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

A. Geforce 8 is a completely different Architecture. Not based on any of the previous ones.
B. Nvidia deemed it was time to begin a new Unified Driver set because of the huge differences.
C. DX 10 is supported on the Geforce 8 series, not any of the previous series, therefore code needs to be written for that.

Xtknight or BFG can probably explain "why" far better than me as they have more intricate knowledge of software coding.

-Kevin

Fair points, however XP drivers exist for the 7 seriesm and they were able to make Vista drivers to support that easily enough.

They also have XP drivers that support the 8 series, which in no way, shape or form taps into the DX10 capabilities of G80. Why not atleast release a driver that atleast provides support for the 8 series, under Vista to atleast utilize up to DX9.0c capabilities (i.e what the XP driver provides)?

Atleast then people can use something other than the generic Vista VGA driver.. Sure people will complain that they don't fully support DX10 etc, but atm, there's virtually zero DX10 software - but atleast they'll be able to use their shiny new 8800 GTX in conjunction with Vista.

They made 7 series for Vista because they did not have to incorporate DX 10 coding.

The XP Drivers for the 8800 series also do not support DX 10 in any way shape or form (AFAIK) because DX 10 will never be ported from Vista to XP.

Why not atleast release a driver that atleast provides support for the 8 series, under Vista to atleast utilize up to DX9.0c capabilities (i.e what the XP driver provides)?

Because XP isn't using DX 10. They cannot design a driver that only supports up to DX 9 or it will just simply not work with Vista.

Vista uses DX 10 - 8800 supports DX 10 - Drivers must support DX 10 or they will not work

XP uses DX 9 - 8800 series can still run DX 9 - Drivers must support DX 9 or they will not work.

Vista uses DX 10 - 7800 does not support DX 9 - Drivers do not have to support DX 10

XP uses DX 9 - 7800 series supports DX 9 - Drivers must support DX 9 or they will not work

(^ That is the way I understand the coding of the Direct X API)

-Kevin

You Might want to rethink that whole post as it in Error... in a serious way... but I'll be nice and not rip you because of a mistake.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Mr Fox

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

How come nVidia has drivers for both Vista x86 and Vista x64 for all desktop solutions from TNT2 through to GeForce 7.

And these are for the final version of Vista (currently available through SOME channels), As it states:

These drivers are only compatible with Windows Vista RTM build 6000 and higher, and should not be used with other versions of Windows Vista.

Why not provide drivers for the 8 series?

Or is the 7900GTX considered low-end now, and suitable for use in a 'business machine'?

A. Geforce 8 is a completely different Architecture. Not based on any of the previous ones.
B. Nvidia deemed it was time to begin a new Unified Driver set because of the huge differences.
C. DX 10 is supported on the Geforce 8 series, not any of the previous series, therefore code needs to be written for that.

Xtknight or BFG can probably explain "why" far better than me as they have more intricate knowledge of software coding.

-Kevin

Fair points, however XP drivers exist for the 7 seriesm and they were able to make Vista drivers to support that easily enough.

They also have XP drivers that support the 8 series, which in no way, shape or form taps into the DX10 capabilities of G80. Why not atleast release a driver that atleast provides support for the 8 series, under Vista to atleast utilize up to DX9.0c capabilities (i.e what the XP driver provides)?

Atleast then people can use something other than the generic Vista VGA driver.. Sure people will complain that they don't fully support DX10 etc, but atm, there's virtually zero DX10 software - but atleast they'll be able to use their shiny new 8800 GTX in conjunction with Vista.

They made 7 series for Vista because they did not have to incorporate DX 10 coding.

The XP Drivers for the 8800 series also do not support DX 10 in any way shape or form (AFAIK) because DX 10 will never be ported from Vista to XP.

Why not atleast release a driver that atleast provides support for the 8 series, under Vista to atleast utilize up to DX9.0c capabilities (i.e what the XP driver provides)?

Because XP isn't using DX 10. They cannot design a driver that only supports up to DX 9 or it will just simply not work with Vista.

Vista uses DX 10 - 8800 supports DX 10 - Drivers must support DX 10 or they will not work

XP uses DX 9 - 8800 series can still run DX 9 - Drivers must support DX 9 or they will not work.

Vista uses DX 10 - 7800 does not support DX 9 - Drivers do not have to support DX 10

XP uses DX 9 - 7800 series supports DX 9 - Drivers must support DX 9 or they will not work

(^ That is the way I understand the coding of the Direct X API)

-Kevin

You Might want to rethink that whole post as it in Error... in a serious way... but I'll be nice and not rip you because of a mistake.

I said earlier that I might make a mistake. Please correct it if you can.

Additionally, I am sure that to run Vista with a DX 10 capable car, you must have DX 10 drivers.

-Kevin

 

[Ateo]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Remember the 9700pro back in the day?

Hey!
That wasn't "that" long ago, stop making me feel old *L*
*hides old Tseng card*

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Why not atleast release a driver that atleast provides support for the 8 series, under Vista to atleast utilize up to DX9.0c capabilities (i.e what the XP driver provides)?
.

why should they make a driver (DX9 xp driver for vista for 8800) that is going to be obsolite in less than 30 days? for business owners for a consumer card?

DX10 was just finalized and vista for consumers isn't even out yet...I really don't see the need for a driver...

it would be nice if they did, but since everything was in beta (dx10 and vista), its rather pointless.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I still don't think you could because nothing about the driver would be DX 10 compliant. I may be wrong however.

-Kevin

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
And this should really piss you off.

Keys...you linked to a paper-launched driver.

No, I didn't link to any driver. I linked to information about a tested working driver. That's all.
Don't care if it doesn't make it to public until Jan 30.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Creig


The reason is the big "Vista Ready" sticker on the front of the box and the availability of Vista Business edition.

Now we are getting somewhere. The sticker didn't say "Vista Business Edition Ready" by chance, did it?