I NEED VISTA DRIVERS FOR NVIDIA 8800GTX :!

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: josh6079
I've linked Vista retail sales in other threads that are now sold out but were once up for grabs, even the Home version.

This, for instance, is another site that is going to be selling legit versions of the OS tomorrow. - Click

I guess nVidia better release a driver by then.

Of course, depending on the place they're already late -

This place is selling the "Home Premium" version NOW and is in quantity, ready to ship.

They're offering either an upgrade kit for cheaper, the actual retail vesion (most expensive one), and an "upgrade education" instruction set (cheapest).

Quote from "beggerking":

"You can buy/preorder now, but they won't be shipped until Jan 30, 07."

Is this true Josh? If so, why didn't you mention this?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Now you're just twisting your own words to suit.

Are you doing a politically-oriented course at college by chance?

Actually, I think he just tried to clarify what he said above, to you. And you, a man amoung men, say he is twisting. Lot's o' weirdness in here today.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
Fair enough, to get back to the topic at hand:

Actually, it's not "Fair enough". It should be, "I'm sorry Kevin, I didn't understand what you meant."

Give it a try. It won't hurt as much as you think.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

Originally posted by: beggerking
edit2: reply to your previous post, dx9 driver for vista != dx10 driver.

No sh!t, sherlock.

If they can get a driver out before Vista for the GeForce 7, why not the GeForce 8?

how does d3d10 have anything to do with vista? please explain?

I'm mocking you and your hardware has nothing to do with software rant many moons ago

Add why read a book? This is far more entertaining! :laugh:

Many moons ago? Your join date says 11/4/2006. Were you banned or something? Or just a long time lurker. Or just needed a new identitiy for some reason or another. It doesn't matter to me either way. Just asking.

 

[BlizzardOne]

long, long, long time lurker

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne

I'm mocking you and your hardware has nothing to do with software rant many moons ago

Add why read a book? This is far more entertaining! :laugh:

after proving you wrong again, again, and then again.. now you are mocking me?

lol. what an idiot you are.

 

[josh6079]

You can buy/preorder now, but they won't be shipped until Jan 30, 07.

Obviously you didn't click on the second link. The Home Premium version is available now and will be shipped before Jan. 30th.

The first link is getting more of the Ultimate version in stock tomorrow and has not confirmed whether or not they will ship before or after Jan. 30th, so I don't know where you got that claim from.

The only other one released is Business which is not available to the avg consumer as we don't have access to business channels, and we don't own a business.

So? The ones that should be complaining are those who do have a business version and a G80, in which case nVidia *has* false advertised. That's the point, that's what people are complaining about. I don't honestly care that nVidia doesn't have a Vista driver but I'm not blind and can see why those who do care are complaining. That's all I'm saying, nVidia has used false advertising with their "Vista Ready" claims as has ATi to a limited extent. Why some of you have trouble seeing that is beyond me. Several even say that the business owners "have the right to complain" so I don't know what their objections continue to be.

IT IS NOT YET SUPPORTED BY MICROSOFT because it has not been released for consumer yet.

And what is a consumer?

They are for developing, testing, and demo only...

What can you "develop", "test", or "demo" without a display driver?

Why would the release it before the OS is released!?!?!?

Because they said it was ready for it and depending on the type of Vista you have, Vista IS released.

 

[Gamingphreek]

READ AND READ CAREFULLY

We spoke to NVIDIA to understand why there isn?t a 8800 Vista driver currently and why we won?t see one until Vista?s launch. NVIDIA?s GPU drivers these days are made up of approximately 20 million lines of code, which as a reference point is about the size of Windows NT 4.0.

Because G70 and G80 are radically different architectures, they each require a separate driver. Combine that with the fact that Windows Vista has completely changed the driver interface, similar in magnitude to what happened between Windows 3.1 and 95, and you?ve got a ?perfect storm? of conditions for driver development. The end result is that for Windows Vista, two 20M line drivers have to be completely re-written (one for G80 and one from all previous architectures). In other words, this isn?t a simple port, it?s a radical departure from the way things were written before.

There are other elements of Vista driver development that apparently require more work than before. DirectX 9, DX9 SLI, DX10 and DX10 SLI support is provided through four separate binaries, which increases the complexity of testing and the overall driver itself, whereas there was only a single driver in the past.

Interesting, it seems like me the College Student/Viral Marketer (By Night) was correct on this issue as was Beggerking and Keys etc...

-Kevin

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

You can buy/preorder now, but they won't be shipped until Jan 30, 07.

Obviously you didn't click on the second link. The Home Premium version is available now and will be shipped before Jan. 30th.

believe it or not I called right after I saw your post. glad long distance is free from my cellphone because I confirmed its a preorder.

And what is a consumer? .

non-developer.

They are for developing, testing, and demo only...

What can you "develop", "test", or "demo" without a display driver?

umm..try another videocard? or default win driver.

Bliz1.. oops, I mean, Josh, as usual, stop trolling. and read Gamingphreek's post above and educate yourself with it.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
READ AND READ CAREFULLY

We spoke to NVIDIA to understand why there isn?t a 8800 Vista driver currently and why we won?t see one until Vista?s launch. NVIDIA?s GPU drivers these days are made up of approximately 20 million lines of code, which as a reference point is about the size of Windows NT 4.0.

Because G70 and G80 are radically different architectures, they each require a separate driver. Combine that with the fact that Windows Vista has completely changed the driver interface, similar in magnitude to what happened between Windows 3.1 and 95, and you?ve got a ?perfect storm? of conditions for driver development. The end result is that for Windows Vista, two 20M line drivers have to be completely re-written (one for G80 and one from all previous architectures). In other words, this isn?t a simple port, it?s a radical departure from the way things were written before.

There are other elements of Vista driver development that apparently require more work than before. DirectX 9, DX9 SLI, DX10 and DX10 SLI support is provided through four separate binaries, which increases the complexity of testing and the overall driver itself, whereas there was only a single driver in the past.

Interesting, it seems like me the College Student/Viral Marketer (By Night) was correct on this issue as was Beggerking and Keys etc...

-Kevin

Actually NT 5.0 is 20 million and I believe even a .txt file that contains aprox 1 million lines of c++ code equals 35-40mb in size. I am not saying they can squeeze all that in under a certain size but damn that is hard.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079

You can buy/preorder now, but they won't be shipped until Jan 30, 07.

Obviously you didn't click on the second link. The Home Premium version is available now and will be shipped before Jan. 30th.

believe it or not I called right after I saw your post. glad long distance is free from my cellphone because I confirmed its a preorder.

And what is a consumer? .

non-developer.

They are for developing, testing, and demo only...

What can you "develop", "test", or "demo" without a display driver?

umm..try another videocard? or default win driver.

Bliz1.. oops, I mean, Josh, as usual, stop trolling. and read Gamingphreek's post above and educate yourself with it.

I just called them to make sure you are not lying.

Total bull ****** customer service hours are 9-5 eastern on the Studica one and the other did not even answer and ask you to leave a message.

Ohh and if you say you called after his post that would be BS also as you would have made a bigger to do about it. In Australia they are already selling Vista

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
what next? finalizing has nothing to do with hardware??

D3D10 has nothing to with Vista??

baahahahah...that's great...made my day.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
bloody hell.

read your own post

first you say they finalized it.

then you say this lil gem;

compare to pre-releases:
tons of changes, updates, and still has issues.

and now, finalizing isn't changing or updating.

what next? finalizing has nothing to do with hardware??

D3D10 has nothing to with Vista??

Ok lets clear this inane argument up.

D3D 10 had pre-release with multiple changes that were available only to MS staff (I would assume). Beggerking and I are saying that this December SDK release is the Final Release. Any changes that are made are not updates as you are implying as no one else had access to them. They are just changes from the Pre-Release to the Final Release.

I honestly don't know how this relates to the topic at hand.

-Kevin

Umm ATI has had hands on DX10, that is why the 360 will be playing Age of Conan with an update. It will not be using the dx9 API.

 

[BFG10K]

It's amazing to see the contortions and contradictions in the pro-nVidia defence team. The literally trip up over each other and over their own posts.

Again it comes back to one simple fact: nVidia claimed G80 was Vista ready but there were no drivers for it. All the claptrap like whether a business would be running a G80 is an irrelevant strawman.

baahahahah...that's great...made my day

But doesn't the BIOS finalize Vista.

 

[beggerking]

zstream
Actually NT 5.0 is 20 million and I believe even a .txt file that contains aprox 1 million lines of c++ code equals 35-40mb in size. I am not saying they can squeeze all that in under a certain size but damn that is hard.

complete BS!

umm.. high level language lines don't translate directly to binary... binaries are much much MUCH smaller.

20 mil text lines = about 500 mb btw.

I say its gonna be ~100mb binary including interface etc.

time to stop your FUD zstream.

 

[miniMUNCH]

One of my friends is a PC game programmer/designer... he is working on a DX10 game (I am not at liberty to say which) and has been working with a 8800 and beta vista/DX10 drivers for many months now. He told me the 8800 under beta vista and DX10 was "gameable" many months ago and has been working much better with each driver (and, up until recently, Dx10) release.

He was confident that things will be stable by vista release... the AT CES comments posted above seem to back that up.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Zstream
I just called them to make sure you are not lying.

Total bull ****** customer service hours are 9-5 eastern on the Studica one and the other did not even answer and ask you to leave a message.

Ohh and if you say you called after his post that would be BS also as you would have made a bigger to do about it. In Australia they are already selling Vista

well, my post above proved you lied about line calculation.

I did call and my call was answered almost immediately.. looks like they are legit and they did say its a preOrder, so STFU! troll.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
READ AND READ CAREFULLY

We spoke to NVIDIA to understand why there isn?t a 8800 Vista driver currently and why we won?t see one until Vista?s launch. NVIDIA?s GPU drivers these days are made up of approximately 20 million lines of code, which as a reference point is about the size of Windows NT 4.0.

Because G70 and G80 are radically different architectures, they each require a separate driver. Combine that with the fact that Windows Vista has completely changed the driver interface, similar in magnitude to what happened between Windows 3.1 and 95, and you?ve got a ?perfect storm? of conditions for driver development. The end result is that for Windows Vista, two 20M line drivers have to be completely re-written (one for G80 and one from all previous architectures). In other words, this isn?t a simple port, it?s a radical departure from the way things were written before.

There are other elements of Vista driver development that apparently require more work than before. DirectX 9, DX9 SLI, DX10 and DX10 SLI support is provided through four separate binaries, which increases the complexity of testing and the overall driver itself, whereas there was only a single driver in the past.

Interesting, it seems like me the College Student/Viral Marketer (By Night) was correct on this issue as was Beggerking and Keys etc...

-Kevin

So apparently there isn't much difference from a TNT2 all the way up to a 7 series if they can use a unified driver?? lol I guess NVidia has been sitting on their asses since TNT2 like ATI did with their 9700pro. I'm not trying to start an argument with you GamingPhreek but it seems rather odd that that is the reason why they have not released a driver.

I'm not trying to imply ANYTHING other than that we really don't know why there has not been a Vista driver for G80 yet and that the text you quoted above seems more like an excuse rather than a real reason.

Originally posted by: BFG10K
It's amazing to see the contortions and contradictions in the pro-nVidia defence team. The literally trip up over each other and over their own posts.

Again it comes back to one simple fact: nVidia claimed G80 was Vista ready but there were no drivers for it. All the claptrap like whether a business would be running a G80 is an irrelevant strawman.

baahahahah...that's great...made my day

But doesn't the BIOS finalize Vista.

lol I hope not.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
READ AND READ CAREFULLY

We spoke to NVIDIA to understand why there isn?t a 8800 Vista driver currently and why we won?t see one until Vista?s launch. NVIDIA?s GPU drivers these days are made up of approximately 20 million lines of code, which as a reference point is about the size of Windows NT 4.0.

Because G70 and G80 are radically different architectures, they each require a separate driver. Combine that with the fact that Windows Vista has completely changed the driver interface, similar in magnitude to what happened between Windows 3.1 and 95, and you?ve got a ?perfect storm? of conditions for driver development. The end result is that for Windows Vista, two 20M line drivers have to be completely re-written (one for G80 and one from all previous architectures). In other words, this isn?t a simple port, it?s a radical departure from the way things were written before.

There are other elements of Vista driver development that apparently require more work than before. DirectX 9, DX9 SLI, DX10 and DX10 SLI support is provided through four separate binaries, which increases the complexity of testing and the overall driver itself, whereas there was only a single driver in the past.

Interesting, it seems like me the College Student/Viral Marketer (By Night) was correct on this issue as was Beggerking and Keys etc...

-Kevin

So apparently there isn't much difference from a TNT2 all the way up to a 7 series if they can use a unified driver?? lol I guess NVidia has been sitting on their asses since TNT2 like ATI did with their 9700pro. I'm not trying to start an argument with you GamingPhreek but it seems rather odd that that is the reason why they have not released a driver.

I'm not trying to imply ANYTHING other than that we really don't know why there has not been a Vista driver for G80 yet and that the text you quoted above seems more like an excuse rather than a real reason.

As if your argument wasn't laughable before, it now seems like you're actually complaining that they aren't releasing drivers fast enough to your liking?

If that's the case, it should be understood that nothing will please you, and your whole case falls apart.

Nelsieus

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: thilan29
So apparently there isn't much difference from a TNT2 all the way up to a 7 series if they can use a unified driver?? lol I guess NVidia has been sitting on their asses since TNT2 like ATI did with their 9700pro. I'm not trying to start an argument with you GamingPhreek but it seems rather odd that that is the reason why they have not released a driver.

I'm not trying to imply ANYTHING other than that we really don't know why there has not been a Vista driver for G80 yet and that the text you quoted above seems more like an excuse rather than a real reason.

As if your argument wasn't laughable before, it now seems like you're actually complaining that they aren't releasing drivers fast enough to your liking?

If that's the case, it should be understood that nothing will please you, and your whole case falls apart.

Nelsieus

huh??
And exactly what part of YOUR argument was undeniable fact oh mighty Nelsius?? Please do enlighten me.

Let me quote Creig again as this is the gist of what I was saying(in previous posts since I was merely responding to the text GamingPhreek quoted in my previous post):

Originally posted by: Creig
Is a version of Windows Vista legally available RIGHT NOW? Yes
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? No
Since there is no Vista driver available, is the 8800 series actually "Vista Ready"? No

And my quip about the NVidia driver wasn't meant to be taken seriously if you couldn't tell. DIdn't you read the part where I said I wasn't "trying to imply ANYTHING else"?? I added an extra smiley in hopes it avoids any further confusion. I didn't know you were so sensitive.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: apoppin
who really cares what you think?
... or seriously doubt ...

i have owned my own business since before you were born and i don't care to give any details about it

and WTH would i buy Vista and G80 if there are no drivers for G80 ... kinda counterproductive, don't you think?
:roll:

the *whole point* ot this thread is that there ARE business owners that were fooled by nvidia's bogus "Vista Ready" claim for their top performing card.
:thumbsdown:

Well instead of outright insulting me, why didn't you just tell us you were a business owner in the first place!?!?!?!?!? (I assure you, I know way meant for you to put information out about your business; I, nor anyone else in this thread, had knowledge that you even had one)

So while you can answer those questions, do you honestly think that I (An 18 year old college student) could go through and answer those? I don't think I could. Why? Because I don't own a business.

-Kevin

insult?


i haven't insulted you ... yet.

it looks like you only look at the world thru your point of view ...

for SOME of us - business owners - both Vista and g80 are an option ... except g80 is not an option with Vista as 8800 is not Vista ready ... right now ... i know it will be ...

and it is NOT an *irritation* for me ... personally ... anymore than r600 MIA is.

what IS a bit annoying is the way *some* will defend nvidia ... no-matter-what

IF the situation were REVERSED ... and x2900xt has no Vista drivers even though ATi had "vista ready" on the box ... i KNOW the nvidia supporters would be up-in-arms and calling for lawsuits against ATi.

that's all

... and it has not been a 'secret' ... looking at my old posts, i think a lot of posters know that ... i just don't go into 'details' on the 'net ... for obvious reasons

 

[miniMUNCH]

It does suck donkey balls that the 8800 was advertises as "Vista ready" and there still is no publicly available driver whilst other nvidia GPU's are semi-supported.

 

[Gamingphreek]

insult?


i haven't insulted you ... yet.

it looks like you only look at the world thru your point of view ...

for SOME of us - business owners - both Vista and g80 are an option ... except g80 is not an option with Vista as 8800 is not Vista ready ... right now ... i know it will be ...

and it is NOT an *irritation* for me ... personally ... anymore than r600 MIA is.

what IS a bit annoying is the way *some* will defend nvidia ... no-matter-what

IF the situation were REVERSED ... and x2900xt has no Vista drivers even though ATi had "vista ready" on the box ... i KNOW the nvidia supporters would be up-in-arms and calling for lawsuits against ATi.

that's all

... and it has not been a 'secret' ... looking at my old posts, i think a lot of posters know that ... i just don't go into 'details' on the 'net ... for obvious reasons

To tell the truth I don't care which manufacturer it is. I wish you would stop labeling me as biased towards Nvidia. They are the manf we are discussing. Just because I take their side on this issue makes me no more biased than you.

or SOME of us - business owners - both Vista and g80 are an option ... except g80 is not an option with Vista as 8800 is not Vista ready ... right now ... i know it will be ...

Read these words >>>>> I. Never. Said. It. Wasn't. An. Option. Never said it, in fact, I said you are entitled to run whatever hardware you want; however, just know that the support for a consumer level card is based on the release of the consumer level OS.

So apparently there isn't much difference from a TNT2 all the way up to a 7 series if they can use a unified driver?? lol I guess NVidia has been sitting on their asses since TNT2 like ATI did with their 9700pro. I'm not trying to start an argument with you GamingPhreek but it seems rather odd that that is the reason why they have not released a driver.

I'm not trying to imply ANYTHING other than that we really don't know why there has not been a Vista driver for G80 yet and that the text you quoted above seems more like an excuse rather than a real reason.

Wow, you are truly amazing. Do you want to know where that excerpt came from. Anand himself. Thats right! You can question it all you want, but Anand Lal Shimpi wrote that tidbit word for word. Thats why it is in a quote box!

Truthfully, you people who are against Nvidia on this issue have no leg to stand on. Right now all I see are a barrage of personal insults and slanders claiming the people who oppose you are biased.

My thread in P&N managed to keep a respectful tone and argue the matter at hand, its sad when the Video forum has fallen below the level of P&N.

-Kevin

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: thilan29
huh??
And exactly what part of YOUR argument was undeniable fact oh mighty Nelsius?? Please do enlighten me.

Is there a consumer version of Vista available RIGHT NOW? No
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? Yes, as Dailytech confirms, just not released to consumers yet (again, neither is Vista).

Originally posted by: thilan29And my quip about the NVidia driver wasn't meant to be taken seriously if you couldn't tell. DIdn't you read the part where I said I wasn't "trying to imply ANYTHING else"?? I added an extra smiley in hopes it avoids any further confusion. I didn't know you were so sensitive.

Lucky for you, most of your comments aren't taken seriously, either (so it wasn't just this one ).

With that said, you still aren't making sense. You've just gone from one aspect of bashing nVidia ( not having vista drivers for vista) to a another (not having vista drivers when you want them). What's the next argument going to be? nVidia ate your kitten?

Nelsieus

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

insult?


i haven't insulted you ... yet.

it looks like you only look at the world thru your point of view ...

for SOME of us - business owners - both Vista and g80 are an option ... except g80 is not an option with Vista as 8800 is not Vista ready ... right now ... i know it will be ...

and it is NOT an *irritation* for me ... personally ... anymore than r600 MIA is.

what IS a bit annoying is the way *some* will defend nvidia ... no-matter-what

IF the situation were REVERSED ... and x2900xt has no Vista drivers even though ATi had "vista ready" on the box ... i KNOW the nvidia supporters would be up-in-arms and calling for lawsuits against ATi.

that's all

... and it has not been a 'secret' ... looking at my old posts, i think a lot of posters know that ... i just don't go into 'details' on the 'net ... for obvious reasons

To tell the truth I don't care which manufacturer it is. I wish you would stop labeling me as biased towards Nvidia. They are the manf we are discussing. Just because I take their side on this issue makes me no more biased than you.

or SOME of us - business owners - both Vista and g80 are an option ... except g80 is not an option with Vista as 8800 is not Vista ready ... right now ... i know it will be ...

Read these words >>>>> I. Never. Said. It. Wasn't. An. Option. Never said it, in fact, I said you are entitled to run whatever hardware you want; however, just know that the support for a consumer level card is based on the release of the consumer level OS.

-Kevin

and i said it IS an *option* ... i - along with thousands of consumers - have an *Option* to buy Vista Business right now and run them on a "Vista Ready" 8800 ... EXCEPT 8800 is NOT vista ready


i know many many many many business owners that run Gaming cards on their business machines [just like i do] ... there is no warning on the 8800 box [afaik] that *restricts* me to a "consumer level OS" it just says "VISTA READY"

there is a *disclaimer* on the nvidia website that shows 8800 to be waiting for Vista drivers ... i just think their lawyers/marketing were not farsighted enough to 'think ahead'

no company is perfect

finally, you *label* yourself as being Pro-nvidia ...
... i just point it out

and "no more biased than you" won't get you anywhere on these forums.
:Q





AND my Sapphire x1950p arrived today ...

i'm off to PLAY video games
[hopefully ... the 2D IQ is an improvement over my x850xt]
:thumbsup: