I NEED VISTA DRIVERS FOR NVIDIA 8800GTX :!

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: apoppin
and i said it IS an *option* ... i - along with thousands of consumers - have an *Option* to buy Vista Business right now

That is false. Aside from lying about being a business owner, it's not like there's business versions sitting on retail shelves that consumers have the option of purchasing (because they can't wait an additional few weeks).

I know there's about a dozen ways one can attempt to spin things (I believe you've exhausted just about everyone of them), but Vista is not available to consumers / retailers until Jan. 30.

But why should that mean anything, right? I guess certain people will only look at what they want to (kinda like you did on the whole ATI buyout, or the stance that ATI's DX10 was superior because in your own little world, MS and ATI secretly worked on it all together). :roll:

Nelsieus

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Wow, you are truly amazing. Do you want to know where that excerpt came from. Anand himself. Thats right! You can question it all you want, but Anand Lal Shimpi wrote that tidbit word for word. Thats why it is in a quote box!
-Kevin

Okay and where did he get that information? Most likely from Nvidia correct(so my post still stands)? Did he mention his source?

Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Is there a consumer version of Vista available RIGHT NOW? No
Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? Yes, as Dailytech confirms, just not released to consumers yet (again, neither is Vista).

I guess we can argue that forever since Creig already proved you CAN buy Vista (albeit Business edition). If there will be separate G80 Vista Business drivers and G80 Vista Home drivers then I can see your point. However, in all likelihood there won't be a difference.

Lucky for you, most of your comments aren't taken seriously, either (so it wasn't just this one ).

Awww...please...no. Being insulted on a web forum by someone who doesn't even know me...well...that just hurts.

With that said, you still aren't making sense. You've just gone from one aspect of bashing nVidia ( not having vista drivers for vista) to a another (not having vista drivers when you want them).

Nelsieus

I'm still not understanding where you came up with that bolded part from. When I said (jokingly) that NVidia had been sitting on their asses from TNT2 to the 7 series...I meant to compare it to when a while back some NVidia fans said ATI had been sitting on their asses since 9700pro...PURELY in a hardware sense in response to what GamingPhreek quoted(I did have a smiley there...I figured most people would figure out I was joking)...nowhere did I mention anything about a driver (did you miss the part where I mentioned ATI as well?). I don't wanna go overboard with smilies in my original post so I hope my explanation will suffice.

 

[Gamingphreek]

and i said it IS an *option* ... i - along with thousands of consumers - have an *Option* to buy Vista Business right now and run them on a "Vista Ready" 8800 ... EXCEPT 8800 is NOT vista ready

Holy ****! I am AGREEING with you (However, it is not available to consumers), it IS an option to run whatever hardware with your software. I also stipulated that the release of the consumer level card will be in tandem with the consumer level OS (ie: The official World Wide release), it would not be in tandem with the Business/Workstation software nor is required to be.

Consumer Level HW release in Tandem with Consumer Level Software
Workstation/Professional Hardware in Tandem with Workstation/Professional Level Software

You are free to mix and match as you choose; however, you cannot expect a company to accommodate that.

finally, you *label* yourself as being Pro-nvidia ...
... i just point it out

I never labeled myself as anything. In fact, I distinctly remember me saying that I will buy whoever makes the best card for the budget. If that is Nvidia so be it, if that is ATI so be it. I don't give two ****** about the brand (Though I am more comfortable with Nvidia's drivers; but I prefer ATI's IQ (barring the Geforce 8 series))

and "no more biased than you" won't get you anywhere on these forums.

This constant ad hominem argument, and witch hunting wont keep you around these forums.

AND my Sapphire x1950p arrived today ...

i'm off to PLAY video games
[hopefully ... the 2D IQ is an improvement over my x850xt]

Happy gaming. I'm playing NWN2 right now, and I don't know if it is an Nvidia problem (ie: LOD) but the shadows are, the farther shadows that is, blocky and they are all moving, giving the shimmering effect from afar. Nevertheless, if you like RPG's this games story line is pretty fun!

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Okay and where did he get that information? Most likely from Nvidia correct(so my post still stands)? Did he mention his source?

Where the hell else is he going to get inside information about Nvidia's drivers!?!?!?!?!?!??!?. What difference does that make???

I guess we can argue that forever since Creig already proved you CAN buy Vista (albeit Business edition). If there will be separate G80 Vista Business drivers and G80 Vista Home drivers then I can see your point. However, in all likelihood there won't be a difference.

And I proved that unless you own a business you CANNOT buy even the business version.

I'm still not understanding where you came up with that bolded part from. When I said (jokingly) that NVidia had been sitting on their asses from TNT2 to the 7 series...I meant to compare it to when a while back some NVidia fans said ATI had been sitting on their asses since 9700pro...PURELY in a hardware sense...nowhere did I mention anything about a driver. I don't wanna go overboard with smilies in my original post so I hope my explanation will suffice.

Your jokes obviously haven't been well received -_-

-Kevin

 

[sisq0kidd]

I'll settle this.

OP, bring your case to court. If you win, Gamingphreek and his gang are wrong.

If you lose, apoppin and his crew are wrong.

I'm a genius!

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: thilan29
Okay and where did he get that information? Most likely from Nvidia correct(so my post still stands)? Did he mention his source?

Unless you have evidence to support illegitimacy with his report, there's little value in attacking it. Unless of course you're seriously proposing that you have more credability than Anand, himself?

Originally posted by: thilan29I guess we can argue that forever since Creig already proved you CAN buy Vista (albeit Business edition). If there will be separate G80 Vista Business drivers and G80 Vista Home drivers then I can see your point. However, in all likelihood there won't be a difference.

It doesn't matter if you can or not, that's really not what the argument is about.

MS, as well as nVidia, takes the assumption that consumers purchase the consumer retail version. Is this a nutty assumption? To me, it sounds quite logical. If you want to make the case that because a business owner constitues as the entity of the consumer market, then atleast draw the line where business owners have merit in running a Geforce 8800 GPU. Again, just because they can (for the heck of it) shouldn't neglect the logical assumption that consumers will purchase the consumer versions on Jan. 30, as MS has specifically stated.

Nelsieus

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Okay and where did he get that information? Most likely from Nvidia correct(so my post still stands)? Did he mention his source?

Where the hell else is he going to get inside information about Nvidia's drivers!?!?!?!?!?!??!?. What difference does that make???

Oh brother...read my post again. What you quoted was not a complete technical evaluation of NVidia's drivers....that's why it seemed more like an excuse. It basically said G70 is different from G80...well no sh!t!! And TNT2 is different from G70 also but there is still a unified Vista driver out for that. You see what I'm saying? If someone that is more technically knowledgeable about video cards is reading this please post why a driver for TNT2 is so much more similar to a G70 driver compared to a G70 driver and a G80 driver. I'd like to know as well and will eat crow if I'm completely wrong.

Your jokes obviously haven't been well received -_-

-Kevin

Oh no...insulted again. Well, did my explanation suffice?? Would you like me to put more smilies in there? Jeez...some people really take things too seriously.

Originally posted by: Nelsieus
MS, as well as nVidia, takes the assumption that consumers purchase the consumer retail version. Is this a nutty assumption? To me, it sounds quite logical. If you want to make the case that because a business owner constitues as the entity of the consumer market, then atleast draw the line where business owners have merit in running a Geforce 8800 GPU. Again, just because they can (for the heck of it) shouldn't neglect the logical assumption that consumers will purchase the consumer versions on Jan. 30, as MS has specifically stated.

Nelsieus

Who has the right to decide whether a business has merit in running G80 though? As someone else has posted...a place of business like an Internet/Gaming cafe could very well be running G80 since they would need very powerful cards to play the latest games. It would be logical for say a bank to not need G80 but other businesses could very well need/want G80.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Zstream

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: BlizzardOne
bloody hell.

read your own post

first you say they finalized it.

then you say this lil gem;

compare to pre-releases:
tons of changes, updates, and still has issues.

and now, finalizing isn't changing or updating.

what next? finalizing has nothing to do with hardware??

D3D10 has nothing to with Vista??

Ok lets clear this inane argument up.

D3D 10 had pre-release with multiple changes that were available only to MS staff (I would assume). Beggerking and I are saying that this December SDK release is the Final Release. Any changes that are made are not updates as you are implying as no one else had access to them. They are just changes from the Pre-Release to the Final Release.

I honestly don't know how this relates to the topic at hand.

-Kevin

Umm ATI has had hands on DX10, that is why the 360 will be playing Age of Conan with an update. It will not be using the dx9 API.

It also won't be using the DX10 API as Xenos is not DX10 compliant. If anything it will use the equivalent of a DX9.5. They can port in some parts of DX10, but not enough for it to be a DX10 GPU.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Oh brother...read my post again. What you quoted was not a complete technical evaluation of NVidia's drivers....that's why it seemed more like an excuse. It basically said G70 is different from G80...well no sh!t!! And TNT2 is different from G70 also but there is still a unified Vista driver out for that. You see what I'm saying? If someone that is more technically knowledgeable about video cards is reading this please post why a driver for TNT2 is so much more similar to a G70 driver compared to a G70 driver and a G80 driver. I'd like to know as well and will eat crow if I'm completely wrong.

Read the damn quote again. I'm not going to bother responding until you read it and comprehend that Anand tells you exactly why drivers are not released yet.

Oh no...insulted again. Well, did my explanation suffice?? Would you like me to put more smilies in there? Jeez...some people really take things too seriously.

That wasn't an insult. I said your jokes haven't been well received because most of the time they are bashing someone else.

Who has the right to decide whether a business has merit in running G80 though? As someone else has posted...a place of business like an Internet/Gaming cafe could very well be running G80 since they would need very powerful cards to play the latest games. It would be logical for say a bank to not need G80 but other businesses could very well need/want G80.

Business is Corporate/Workstation environment. Just because you own a business doesn't mean that you Qualify for VL or Windows Business. A gaming cafe is a business that lets CONSUMERS use the computers.

-Kevin

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Read the damn quote again. I'm not going to bother responding until you read it and comprehend that Anand tells you exactly why drivers are not released yet.

I still don't see why the "radically different architectures" of G70 and G80 is any more different than TNT2 and G70 (wasn't the difference between TNT2 and Geforce 256 large as well?? I am just asking here.). Of course I don't know the detailed inner workings of each GPU(especially the older ones) but if you do know or can point me to an article explaining the differences it would be much appreciated. As I said before however, if someone more technically knowledgeable does know please enlighten me.

Business is Corporate/Workstation environment. Just because you own a business doesn't mean that you Qualify for VL or Windows Business. A gaming cafe is a business that lets CONSUMERS use the computers.

-Kevin

Exactly as you have stated, a gaming cafe IS a business and therefore WOULD have use for G80 with Vista and a proper driver. So what exactly was wrong with my statement? Do you think Microsoft would refuse a business version of Vista because regular people go out to gaming cafes and use it? What if the owners of the gaming cafe need to test their new G80 cards with their business version of Vista...how can they be considered just consumers(unless you consider business owners as just consumers in which case your whole argument is moot)??

 

[Gamingphreek]

I still don't see why the "radically different architectures" of G70 and G80 is any more different than TNT2 and G70 (wasn't the difference between TNT2 and Geforce 256 large as well?? I am just asking here.). Of course I don't know the detailed inner workings of each GPU(especially the older ones) but if you do know or can point me to an article explaining the differences it would be much appreciated. As I said before however, if someone more technically knowledgeable does know please enlighten me.

I don't know of a site unfortunately. Sorry. I'm sure BFG can explain some of the differences, he knows more about that than I do.

Exactly as you have stated, a gaming cafe IS a business and therefore WOULD have use for G80 with Vista and a proper driver. So what exactly was wrong with my statement? Do you think Microsoft would refuse a business version of Vista because regular people go out to gaming cafes and use it? What if the owners of the gaming cafe need to test their new G80 cards with their business version of Vista...how can they be considered just consumers(unless you consider business owners as just consumers in which case your whole argument is moot)??

The cafe is a business in the plainest sense. However, Vista Business is meant towards companies/corporations that run Office/Productivity software. A gaming cafe would have no need for the advanced networking features Vista Business offers. Additionally, their business provides computers for consumers to use. So their Main Computer or Server may run Vista Business or their accountant, the PC's that they provide for Consumers to use would still run Vista Home Edition.

Again, if you look at the form required for Volume Licensing/Business channels you will see what type of businesses it is oriented towards.

-Kevin

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
The cafe is a business in the plainest sense. However, Vista Business is meant towards companies/corporations that run Office/Productivity software. A gaming cafe would have no need for the advanced networking features Vista Business offers. Additionally, their business provides computers for consumers to use. So their Main Computer or Server may run Vista Business or their accountant, the PC's that they provide for Consumers to use would still run Vista Home Edition.

Again, if you look at the form required for Volume Licensing/Business channels you will see what type of businesses it is oriented towards.

-Kevin

I can honestly see the logic in the argument you (and others with your viewpoint) have presented in your posts and in some sense I agree with you that (almost) no businesses would have a need for G80 (I say almost no businesses because I really have no idea of all the different types of businesses). However, in MY opinion, the "Vista ready" logo meant that G80 could be run with Vista (irrespective of which Vista version since it never specified) and hence should have a driver (especially since I'm fairly certain there won't be separate driver versions for each and every verison of Vista). I know that is a very crude way of looking at it but that's just how I see it. As I stated before I don't personally care anyway since I'm not running Vista.

Anyway, there's no point in me continuing this argument since we both have our own different opinions and won't budge. I also think this thread has stretched out long enough.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
The cafe is a business in the plainest sense. However, Vista Business is meant towards companies/corporations that run Office/Productivity software. A gaming cafe would have no need for the advanced networking features Vista Business offers. Additionally, their business provides computers for consumers to use. So their Main Computer or Server may run Vista Business or their accountant, the PC's that they provide for Consumers to use would still run Vista Home Edition.

Again, if you look at the form required for Volume Licensing/Business channels you will see what type of businesses it is oriented towards.

-Kevin

Anyway, there's no point in me continuing this argument since we both have our own different opinions and won't budge. I also think this thread has stretched out long enough.

Agreed. As I've been content with doing all along, we can respectfully agree to disagree on this matter for now.

Nelsieus

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...
I also stipulated that the release of the consumer level card will be in tandem with the consumer level OS
...

Are you saying that consumers are not supposed to buy this card yet??? What are you talking about? 8800GTX is for consumers from day one.

 

[dev0lution]

8800 GTX's ARE "Vista Ready". The 8800 GTX drivers however, are not. What's the big deal? Where are all the people who've bought "Vista Ready" PC's in the last month complaining about how they installed Vista and some piece of hardware in the box doesn't work right because a driver isn't out yet?

Stop your whining or go out and buy an ATI card for godsakes.. Would you rather have a buggy driver that crashes every other hour or a stable one?

And yes, I have a 8800GTX. And I reinstalled XP to use it since there was no support for the copy of RC1 I was running.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: apoppin
and i said it IS an *option* ... i - along with thousands of consumers - have an *Option* to buy Vista Business right now

That is false. Aside from lying about being a business owner, it's not like there's business versions sitting on retail shelves that consumers have the option of purchasing (because they can't wait an additional few weeks).

I know there's about a dozen ways one can attempt to spin things (I believe you've exhausted just about everyone of them), but Vista is not available to consumers / retailers until Jan. 30.

But why should that mean anything, right? I guess certain people will only look at what they want to (kinda like you did on the whole ATI buyout, or the stance that ATI's DX10 was superior because in your own little world, MS and ATI secretly worked on it all together). :roll:

Nelsieus

what you posted is false ... about "lying" to obtain Vista
:thumbsdown:

you are the spin-master ... of that you have the *undisputed title* here at ATF. ... and of course you will only look at what you want to (kinda like you did on the whole ATI merger, or the stance that ATI's DX10 was not superior because in your own little world, MS and nvidia didn't publically or secretly worked on it at all together). :roll:

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
...
I also stipulated that the release of the consumer level card will be in tandem with the consumer level OS
...

Are you saying that consumers are not supposed to buy this card yet??? What are you talking about? 8800GTX is for consumers from day one.

I think he meant that consumers should not be running vista business edition therefore we have no need for a 8800gtx vista business driver.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: apoppin

you are the spin-master ... of that you have the *undisputed title* here at ATF. ... and of course you will only look at what you want to (kinda like you did on the whole ATI merger, or the stance that ATI's DX10 was not superior because in your own little world, MS and nvidia didn't publically or secretly worked on it at all together). :roll:

damn, stop trolling... facts are
1. 8800 are consumer card
2. vista business is not for consumers

therefore 8800 driver for vista business is not out until vista for consumer is out. simple as that.

 

[schneiderguy]

nvidia "Business" cards

The 8800gtx is not in that list, therefore it isnt a business card like some people are trying to claim

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: apoppin
what you posted is false ... about "lying" to obtain Vista
:thumbsdown:

If you obtained Vista by claiming you were a business owner, but weren't really a business owner, that's called a lie.

But as mentioned above, it's time to come to terms on this issue and draw it to conclusion. I would encourage you to display the same matuiry as thillian in respectfully agreeing to disagree on this matter for now.

Nelsieus

 

[schneiderguy]

edit: oops i quoted myself instead of editing

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: apoppin

you are the spin-master ... of that you have the *undisputed title* here at ATF. ... and of course you will only look at what you want to (kinda like you did on the whole ATI merger, or the stance that ATI's DX10 was not superior because in your own little world, MS and nvidia didn't publically or secretly worked on it at all together). :roll:

damn, stop trolling... facts are
1. 8800 are consumer card
2. vista business is not for consumers

therefore 8800 driver for vista business is not out until vista for consumer is out. simple as that.

*you* stop trolling ... weren't you on a recent 'vacation' for that just that reason?

and only in you mind and that of fellow nvidia do-or-die supporters

much simpler than you can ever imagine


and those Business lists are ridiculous ... you can put an 8800 in a "business machine" ... do you need me to *prove* it to you?

You just can't run Vista on it ... yet ... as it is not "vista ready" as claimed

but you can't handle logic where nvidia is involved

as far as *lying* ... to obtain Vista is only in your own mind, Wreckage

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: apoppin

in you mind and that of fellow nvidia do-or-die supporters only

simpler than you can ever imagine


and those Business lists are ridiculous ... you can put an 8800 in a "business machine" ... do you need me to *prove* it to you?

You just can't run Vista on it ... yet ... as it is not "vista ready" as claimed

but you can't handle logic where nvidia is involved

No sh1t you can put a 8800gtx into a business machine. I could put a quadro into my "regular" desktop. The question is, WHY WOULD YOU? I don't know where you work, but I'm sure you're not allowed to play games I don't know what else you would need a 8800gtx in your computer for.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: apoppin

in you mind and that of fellow nvidia do-or-die supporters only

simpler than you can ever imagine


and those Business lists are ridiculous ... you can put an 8800 in a "business machine" ... do you need me to *prove* it to you?

You just can't run Vista on it ... yet ... as it is not "vista ready" as claimed

but you can't handle logic where nvidia is involved

No sh1t you can put a 8800gtx into a business machine. I could put a quadro into my "regular" desktop. The question is, WHY WOULD YOU? I don't know where you work, but I'm sure you're not allowed to play games I don't know what else you would need a 8800gtx in your computer for.

*why?* i can only speak for myself here

because i am the business owner

and sure, i am allowed to play video games ... even at work ... why should i suffer with Intel extreme graphics ... to "satisfy" the IRS?

and IF i know other business owners that DO have top-of-the-line regular video graphics cards [xtxes and etc.] in their work machines. Why not? ... they can have what they want and generally they want the best for themselves

even Vista ... now ... and gtx ... now

you speak in hypotheticals ... there are business owners with GTXes and Vista ... and their GTX is simply not vista ready..

now excuse me ... i have a new video card and some games to catch up on

 

[josh6079]

Quote from "beggerking":

"You can buy/preorder now, but they won't be shipped until Jan 30, 07."

Is this true Josh? If so, why didn't you mention this?

Because, as beggerking stated later, his information came from a "phone call" and hence was no where on the sales page. I have yet to understand why he originally quoted it but didn't discuss that he had to make the call in the first place. (The supposed quote was from a live customer service rep. over the phone and not a sentence on the page.)

If that "verbal confirmation" is true, then by all means I stand corrected. However, judging by the poster and the fact that the "Pre-order" status it supposedly has is no where to be found on the page, I think it's safe to say that beggerking is full of it. Why else would you use a vague quote as evidence discrediting a link if that said quote isn't even from the link? "Oh, uh....I called a guy and that's what he said...." :roll:

non-developer.

This is beyond ridiculous. First only business owners have the right to complain but now your segregating what kind of business owners? Only "developers" should have access to nVidia's advertised support.....right.........

umm..try another videocard?

So instead of saying, "Vista Ready" according to you it should say, "Vista Ready but not with card in box?"

...or default win driver.

What can you "develop" with a "default win driver"? What can you "test" with a "default win driver"? What can you "demo" with a "default win driver"? Again, how is using a "default win driver" proof that something is ready to perform as it was designed for with said OS?

Furthermore, the fact that you are adovcating "development" with a "default win driver" yet at the same time preaching that the only ones entitled to a complaint (and therefore support) are "developers" is another flaw in your reasoning. Why would you say only "developers" have reason to demand a G80 Vista driver yet also say that they should just use the "default win driver" to do such a task?

damn, stop trolling... facts are
1. 8800 are consumer card
2. vista business is not for consumers

By that logic we should never see a Vista Business driver for the G80 since the two are intended for "completely different purposes". Time will tell.

Bliz1.. oops, I mean, Josh, as usual, stop trolling.

Questioning isn't trolling. Nor is providing links to retail versions of Vista, or asking you what constitues a driver, a consumer, or what legitimacy is there to sympathize with current, legit Vista and G80 owners and at the same time turn around and say that nVidia didn't use false advertising.

Trolling would be mistaking peoples identity (again), accusing mature discussions as trollings, and linking verbal quotes as if they're in a link's text then using the phone-call scape-goat when being questioned about it.

Is there a consumer version of Vista available RIGHT NOW? No

Depends. If you believe beggerking's "phone call" then - No. If you believe the website's sales page that I linked, then - Yes.

Is there a Vista driver available for the 8800 series card? Yes, as Dailytech confirms, just not released to consumers yet (again, neither is Vista).

I called a guy and he said that he could sell me Vista right now...

There, I made a phone call too, do you believe me?

To those that feel that nVidia should not be held responsible for lack of a G80 Vista driver, why? The lack of Vista is a matter of whether or not you want to buy a specific version at a specific store, not because Microsoft is holding the license numbers in a safe or discs in their vault. If it is because nVidia is making sure they're of quality, perhaps they should have done that before they labeled it as "Ready".