I NEED VISTA DRIVERS FOR NVIDIA 8800GTX :!

[Cookie Monster]

From ATs Article:
CES 2007 Part I: Convergence Happened and the Most Impressive Demo of CES

We spoke to NVIDIA to understand why there isn?t a 8800 Vista driver currently and why we won?t see one until Vista?s launch. NVIDIA?s GPU drivers these days are made up of approximately 20 million lines of code, which as a reference point is about the size of Windows NT 4.0.

Because G70 and G80 are radically different architectures, they each require a separate driver. Combine that with the fact that Windows Vista has completely changed the driver interface, similar in magnitude to what happened between Windows 3.1 and 95, and you?ve got a ?perfect storm? of conditions for driver development. The end result is that for Windows Vista, two 20M line drivers have to be completely re-written (one for G80 and one from all previous architectures). In other words, this isn?t a simple port, it?s a radical departure from the way things were written before.

There are other elements of Vista driver development that apparently require more work than before. DirectX 9, DX9 SLI, DX10 and DX10 SLI support is provided through four separate binaries, which increases the complexity of testing and the overall driver itself, whereas there was only a single driver in the past.

Interfaces for HD-DVD and Blu-ray video acceleration requires a lot more code than before, thanks to the support for a protected path for HD video under Vista. Supporting this protected path for HD content decode means that you can?t re-use the video part of your driver when developing a Vista version.

The last major difference between Windows XP and Vista driver development is that the display engine connecting monitors to the GPUs has been completely redone.

Initial investment in driver development under Vista takes up quite a bit of time, and now we understand a little more of why. While it would be nice to have one today, there?s always a tradeoff that has to be made especially when driver work this intense has to be done. Couple that with the recent launch of NVIDIA?s G80 GPU and the decision was made to focus on DX9 and XP drivers in order to make the G80?s launch as solid as possible, and commit to delivering an 8800 driver by Vista?s launch.

When the driver is eventually available NVIDIA expects performance to be at par, slightly slower or slightly faster than the XP driver. What we?ve seen thus far from other Vista drivers is that performance is slower almost entirely across the board. As stability is currently the primary goal for both ATI and NVIDIA, many compiler optimizations and performance tweaks aren?t being used in order to get a good driver out in time for Vista?s launch.

Those looking for NVIDIA?s Vista 8800 GTX driver needn?t look any further than Microsoft?s booth at CES. All of the gaming machines at Microsoft?s booth were running nForce 680i motherboards with single GeForce 8800 GTXs, under Windows Vista. The machines were running Crysis and Halo 2, and actually ran reasonably well. Halo 2 was choppy at times and there were some visual bugs with Crysis, but the driver was working and is apparently stable.

End of story.

 

[BlizzardOne]

Bliz1.. oops, I mean, Josh

lol, i'd rather be accused of being Josh than yourself

 

[BlizzardOne]

Originally posted by: beggerking

damn, stop trolling... facts are
1. 8800 are consumer card
2. vista business is not for consumers

therefore 8800 driver for vista business is not out until vista for consumer is out. simple as that.

Actually, you're wrong on #2
from Dictionary.com definition of 'Consumer'

Economics. a person or organization that uses a commodity or service.

Businesses = Organization

Businesses use software (a commodity!)

therefore businesses are consumers too So Vista for (some) consumers is out

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

If that "verbal confirmation" is true, then by all means I stand corrected. However, judging by the poster and the fact that the "Pre-order" status it supposedly has is no where to be found on the page, I think it's safe to say that beggerking is full of it. Why else would you use a vague quote as evidence discrediting a link if that said quote isn't even from the link? "Oh, uh....I called a guy and that's what he said...." :roll:

wtf Josh, why you can go ahead and give them a call tomorrow and let us know the "good news"?

I would like to buy a copy that is the reason why I called.

non-developer.

This is beyond ridiculous. First only business owners have the right to complain but now your segregating what kind of business owners? Only "developers" should have access to nVidia's advertised support.....right.........

WTF are you talking about? you asked " who are consumers?" , i'm answering your question..seriously you need help.

What can you "develop" with a "default win driver"? What can you "test" with a "default win driver"? What can you "demo" with a "default win driver"? Again, how is using a "default win driver" proof that something is ready to perform as it was designed for with said OS?

you are really trolling now. .. why would you need a dedicated video driver when you develope an application for vista BUSINESS?

99.9999999% of business developers developing app for vista do not develope games.


edit : BlizzardOne, why don't you quit? we have PROVED YOU WRONG ON EVERY POINT you tried to make (pg 8-pg 11), time to stop trolling.

 

[BFG10K]

why would you need a dedicated video driver when you develope an application for vista BUSINESS?

Because most developers don't like working at 640x480x60Hz while their windows take 10 seconds to resize.

 

[Ateo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
It's amazing to see the contortions and contradictions in the pro-nVidia defence team. The literally trip up over each other and over their own posts.

Again it comes back to one simple fact: nVidia claimed G80 was Vista ready but there were no drivers for it. All the claptrap like whether a business would be running a G80 is an irrelevant strawman.

Just got of the phone with Microsoft.
According to microsoft the offical launch date is 30th Jan. 2007.

Can you understand that?

1. Windows vista havn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!

(repeated for the slow ones)

You can now FUD, flame, distort or lie all you want to.
I'll take Microsoft word about their launch dates over your anytime!

So we are back at my first post in this thread:

1. Windows vista havn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!
   Windows vista hasn't launched yet!

Now, if you have any proof that the 8800 won't be Vista ready the 30th Jan 2007, I'm all ears?
Otherwise, stop trolling and call Microsoft and ask them.
It's really that simple.

 

[Ateo]

Double post...

 

[BFG10K]

Just got of the phone with Microsoft.
According to microsoft the offical launch date is 30th Jan. 2007.

Can you understand that?

Can you understand that nVidia's Vista ready claim has nothing to do with your claptrap?

[*]Whether Vista is available on the shelves.
[*]Whether a business would run a G80.
[*]Whether MSDN subscribers have a G80 and run Vista.
[*]What consitutes the definition of a consumer.
[*]Whether you run Vista.
[*]Whether you own G80.
[*]etc, etc

All of it is irrelevant rhetoric to nVidia's "Vista ready" claim. G80 is not currently Vista ready so the claim was false. The rhetorical spin the nVidia fanboys produce to cloud the issue is simply comical.

Again G80 is not Vista ready despite claims to the contrary being made in the past. All other arguments are simply irrelevant tangents to that core point.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

why would you need a dedicated video driver when you develope an application for vista BUSINESS?

Because most developers don't like working at 640x480x60Hz while their windows take 10 seconds to resize.

So if they don't have an 8800, they are forced to work at 640x480x60Hz? I might have lost the context of your post here in this whirlwind of BS, but I think any developer would be able to utilize any DX9 based video card to.... you know..... develope??

 

[BFG10K]

So if they don't have an 8800, they are forced to work at 640x480x60Hz?

No, if they have one they're forced to do so because there's no Vista driver for it.

So if a developer is trying to develop programs on Vista and he has a G80, apparently BeggerKing doesn't feel 640x480x60Hz with 10 second window resize times is going to be a problem for said developer.

 

[Ateo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

[*]Whether Vista is available on the shelves.
[*]Whether a business would run a G80.
[*]Whether MSDN subscribers have a G80 and run Vista.
[*]What consitutes the definition of a consumer.
[*]Whether you run Vista.
[*]Whether you own G80.
[*]etc, etc

All of it is irrelevant rhetoric to nVidia's "Vista ready" claim. G80 is not currently Vista ready so the claim was false. The rhetorical spin the nVidia fanboys produce to cloud the issue is simply comical.

Again G80 is not Vista ready despite claims to the contrary being made in the past. All other arguments are simply irrelevant tangents to that core point.

Bla, bla, bla, bla, bla...
FACT:
Microsoft says Windows Vista isn't released yet!

I'm still waiting for your evidence that 8800 cards won't run under Vista after the 30th Jan. 2007, troll...

Call microsoft if you won't take my word for it...but sadly for you then your trolling would be over wouldn't it?
One call is all it takes...
One simple phone call...
To much for a troll?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

So if they don't have an 8800, they are forced to work at 640x480x60Hz?

No, if they have one they're forced to do so because there's no Vista driver for it.

So if a developer is trying to develop programs on Vista and he has a G80, apparently BeggerKing doesn't feel 640x480x60Hz with 10 second window resize times is going to be a problem for said developer.

If Nvidia has shown of a Vista driver for G80 at CES, don't you think there is a good chance that developers have some sort of beta drivers from Nvidia so they CAN develope? I'm talking high end devs, not Joe dev.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
LMAO, this thread is so stupid. I came in here to see why it was still alive, and the same argument from page 2 is going on.

On Jan 30th, there will be drivers, and you can walk into any store and buy vista.

That is why it says "vista ready" on the box.

Nvidia isnt out to screw anyone, jen tsen huang is in a corner somewhere with kim jong il wringing their hands and developing nukes while they dupe the american consumer into a buying a product 3 weeks early.

Really guys, get over it.

Agreed except for the market part.. Nobody is fooling anyone into buying anything that's lame excuses and semantics..And plz don't quote me on the ridiculous excuse of Vista ready logo I'm done with this BS anyone can believe whatever they want .. It is perfectly logical/sane if someone wanted to wait for R600 launch until the actual OS will be available and someone will probably be able to use and utilize a D3D10 card for this purpose..Actually this individual is a more rational consumer than me.. Everything else is just beyond comprehension in my eyes.. I bought my 8800GTX for XP use mainly and performance/IQ issues... I'm enjoying my card 3 months now and I'm very satisfied with it..If someone bought the 8800GTX solely for the purpose of using it in Vista so early then he must see a doctor immediately..

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Creig


The reason is the big "Vista Ready" sticker on the front of the box and the availability of Vista Business edition.

Now we are getting somewhere. The sticker didn't say "Vista Business Edition Ready" by chance, did it?

I thought your argument was that Vista wasn't available. Now that I've proven it is, you're switching to a new argument? So after I prove this one wrong as well, are you just going to switch to another? At what point will you finally admit that you're wrong and Nvidia should not have advertised their video card as "Vista Ready" without supplying a Vista driver once Vista became available? Or are you just going to keep making excuses for Nvidia forever despite any inconvenient facts that might get in your way?

"Vista Ready" means exactly what it says. As in, "Ready for Vista". Since Vista Business Edition is obviously a version of Vista, then the 8800 series should have been ready for it. You didn't see anything on the sticker that said Vista Ready (but NOT for Business Edition), did you?

 

[Paratus]

Well since the Nvidia excuse makers have convinced me that the 8800GTX is Vista Ready today then why don't we have some of the folks who have legit copies of Vista bench the 8800GTX against other cards (like X1300).

I have a feeling the 8800GTX just can't keep up in Vista gaming right now aginst any AMD card.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Paratus
Well since the Nvidia excuse makers have convinced me that the 8800GTX is Vista Ready today then why don't we have some of the folks who have legit copies of Vista bench the 8800GTX against other cards (like X1300).

I have a feeling the 8800GTX just can't keep up in Vista gaming right now aginst any AMD card.

According to some people in this thread, you CAN'T game on Vista Business edition. Didn't you know that? I think maybe there's something in the EULA that prohibits it.

 

[Paratus]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Paratus
Well since the Nvidia excuse makers have convinced me that the 8800GTX is Vista Ready today then why don't we have some of the folks who have legit copies of Vista bench the 8800GTX against other cards (like X1300).

I have a feeling the 8800GTX just can't keep up in Vista gaming right now aginst any AMD card.

According to some people in this thread, you CAN'T game on Vista Business edition. Didn't you know that? I think maybe there's something in the EULA that prohibits it.

Probably asks if you are a consumer or a business.

 

[gsellis]

Launch has nothing to do with availability. That is like saying you cannot open the doors to a restaurant until you do the Grand Opening. Launch is a logistics piece and usually ties with flooding the channels with product. That is why folks get so upset with the paper launches over the last couple of years. What we do know is that somewhere, there are warehouses with pallets and pallets of Vista boxes ready to ship to retail distribution. The only reason it keeps getting hammered home is that you are making excuses for drivers being available or not. Having done this for 15 years, I don't care. Just business as usual. Every hardware company only has so many resources to throw at a project, so things might not be available when we think they should be. Get over it. The Mongolian Hoard theory does not work. 9 women cannot have a baby in 1 month. nVidia says the end of January which ties with the MS launch celebration. It does not therefore make Vista availability tied to nVidia's release (which folks are arguing it does in final analysis.)

Get over it. This thread needs to be locked as freaking pointless.

 

[Acanthus]

Theres a piece on the state of the drivers and whats going on with them in the AT CES review.

But ya know, BFG thinks nvidia should write 200 million lines of fresh code in 2 weeks.

Really man, sometimes you have good posts, but you do so much retarded nitpicking i cant stand it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Theres a piece on the state of the drivers and whats going on with them in the AT CES review.

But ya know, BFG thinks nvidia should write 200 million lines of fresh code in 2 weeks.

Really man, sometimes you have good posts, but you do so much retarded nitpicking i cant stand it.

nvidia has had months to write that code ... there have been Alpha drivers for Vista and G80 for a long time now ... the beta drivers are OBVIOUSLY already written.

Really man, sometimes you have good posts, but you do so much retarded nitpicking i cant stand it.

i *can* buy Vista now and a G80 ... today

but it would be stupidly pointless ... G80 is NOT "Vista Ready"

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

why would you need a dedicated video driver when you develope an application for vista BUSINESS?

Because most developers don't like working at 640x480x60Hz while their windows take 10 seconds to resize.

WHY would they NEED to use a $400 card for business application development?
Most developers I know (including myself) use integrated cards at work.

let me say this to you again, STOP TROLLING /BSing /Threadcrapping!

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

All of it is irrelevant rhetoric to nVidia's "Vista ready" claim. G80 is not currently Vista ready so the claim was false. The rhetorical spin the nVidia fanboys produce to cloud the issue is simply comical.

BFG, explain the difference between "Vista ready" vs "Vista Compatible".

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
Theres a piece on the state of the drivers and whats going on with them in the AT CES review.

But ya know, BFG thinks nvidia should write 200 million lines of fresh code in 2 weeks.

Really man, sometimes you have good posts, but you do so much retarded nitpicking i cant stand it.

QFT!

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: apoppin

nvidia has had months to write that code ... there have been Alpha drivers for Vista and G80 for a long time now ... the beta drivers are OBVIOUSLY already written.

As I have stated/linked many times in this thread, DX10 was just finalized in Dec 06. Or do you expect them to write a driver for beta DX on beta Vista?

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: BFG10K

why would you need a dedicated video driver when you develope an application for vista BUSINESS?

Because most developers don't like working at 640x480x60Hz while their windows take 10 seconds to resize.

WHY would they NEED to use a $400 card for business application development?
Most developers I know (including myself) use integrated cards at work.

let me say this to you again, STOP TROLLING /BSing /Threadcrapping!

Again with the *NEED*... :roll: Does anybody really NEED SLI? Does anybody really NEED phase change cooling setups? Does anybody really NEED an 8800GTX in the first place? The answer, of course, is *NO*.

Would a developer *WANT* an 8800 series card for business application development? I'm sure that some would say "Yes".

In fact, it wouldn't matter if NOBODY wanted an 8800 Vista driver. The fact is that Nvidia advertised it as Vista Ready and it isn't. *NEED* or *WANT* doesn't even factor into it. It's a matter of false advertising.