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Nelsieus

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Originally posted by: josh6079
"Pre-released?" The versions some are using / have been using are released.
But not to consumers, only to business owners.

Originally posted by: josh6079I know you're not sure, so I'll tell you. I'm implying that there are versions of Vista that *have been* released and *have been* sold and *are* being used.
The only version released has been to small business owners, not consumers.

Originally posted by: josh6079Yes they are. A person is a consumer, whether they are buying for their business, buying for their home, or both it doesn't matter.
Yes it does matter. Microsoft has differentiated business owner customers, to which Vista is available to, and consumer availability which they clearly state will not be until Jan. 30.

Originally posted by: josh6079It isn't another topic. It *is* legit, especially when both products are bought and paid for through valid sources.
The only intended release of Vista is to business owners. If consumers are able to get around that restriction and purchase that version for themself, it is not nVidia's responsibility to adhere to these individuals. Blame MS for not being strict enough in enforcing their statements that Vista is not available to consumers until Jan. 30.

Originally posted by: josh6079Exactly. All they did was make an assumption and were wrong. Obviously there are people who have both and are upset and it is nVidia's duty to support what they said they would. Are they trying to do that? Yes. Should they have already been able to do that? By what their own boxes say, Yes.
I question your logic if you believe that it is "wrong" for MS to assume their statement of consumers not purcashing Vista until consumer availability on Jan. 30, as MS has clearly stated.

You are adhering to the few who find work-arounds for standards setup by MS and their product, and then blaming nVidia for not succumbing to this dilema.

Originally posted by: josh6079It was a *logical* assumption on their part, but that doesn't mean they didn't engage in false advertising by assuming the best, experiencing the worst.
Your false advertising claim is a highly speculative one, and doesn't stand much merit if we were talking on legal terms (mostly for the fact that what G80 was ready for had not yet been released to consumers).

Furthermore, the hardware is fully ready / capable, and nowhere did nVidia advertise a Vista driver, as there clearly is not one.

Originally posted by: josh6079Sure, it was "logical". But so was the complaint that someone with Vista and a G80 should be able to use the card that was advertised for that OS. I can see both logics, and I agree that both are easy to understand, but when you factor in how nVidia advertised it's "readiness" for said OS and didn't deliver, that's false advertising plain and simple. Bolstering otherwise displays a lack of understanding of common sense.
You see both logics, yet dismiss them so carelessly.

Vista is not available to consumers. It's not nVidia's responsibility to take care of those who managed to get around that restriction, just for the heck of it, and complain that their pre-released copy (as in it has yet to be released to consumers), isn't working.

There's a reason MS sets up availability dates, to give other companies timelines / benchmarks to work with. When those timelines are breeched by individuals, for whatever purpose, it should not create an atmosphere where nVidia bends over backwards to attain to their needs, when they couldn't wait to buy the version when it was released on Jan. 30.

Originally posted by: josh6079You yourself have said that the select few who are in this Catch 22 "have the right to complain". Now you're saying that they don't?
Everyone has the right to complain. Whether their complaints contain merit and validity is a different story.

The point of that comment was to display the nature in which some of our members go through heck and back to bash and attack a company, when they don't fit in with the group who, based on the circumstances, should be the ones upset.

You yourself have neither Geforce 8800, nor Vista. Obviously you have the right to still complain, but I also have the right to question those complaints when they do not pertain to yourself nor situation.

Originally posted by: josh6079What are your expectations since they change every page?
As I've said all along, nVidia should have Vista drivers when Vista becomes available. If I have stated otherwise in this thread, please elaborate.

Originally posted by: josh6079Really? do the 97.92's fix the SLi issues? From what Anandtech's own Gary says, SLI for the G80's is still a mess. Even with XP.
heh, cherry-picking time.

I guess it's already known where most of your stances lay, therefore one should not expect anything other than attacks and complaints all day long (it will be interesting to watch you hold this same standard to ATI and R600 )

Originally posted by: josh6079By that logic your accusing certain members on these forums running their Vista of piracy. If people like gerrson are not "normal consumers" then perhaps you should define exactly what a "normal consumer" is.
A normal consumer? Anyone who isn't a business owner using Vista in their business.

MS is pretty clear about that, so if you need an explanation, just go check out their statements.

You don't have to be a pirate to be running something that has yet to release (or maybe you are, that's really beside the point). The fact of the matter is that is has not yet been released to consumers, and won't until Jan. 30.

What you're called if you bipass that restriction is beyond me, and irrelevant, nonetheless.

Originally posted by: josh6079The only thing I find "mis-representative" are your flip-flopping comments.
Lol, you're right. Yesterday I staged my protest at nVidia, pleading for a Vista driver, but now I've seen the light.

Originally posted by: josh6079You say only certain Vista holders "have the right to complain" but also argue that nVidia didn't false advertise. Why do those people have a right to complain if nVidia *didn't* false advertise?
Because if they can't run their OS, they are going to complain.

But really, that's a pretty weak argument when you're making the case that I sympathize with anyone who can't manage to get things working in their life.

Originally posted by: josh6079Can you please ship me your cell phone with free long distance so I don't get charged? I find it rather redundant to pay for an argument. That and another report is conflicting with yours and the information you're relaying is no where to be found on the sales page nor any page that you are taken through when purchasing the product. I went as far into that site as I could to buy that product until I was one click away from purchasing it and no where did it ever warn me of not shipping immediately. Bad site? Maybe. But I believe that you are concocting false "evidence."
Ditto. You have no more credability than he does (if anything, I'd argue you have less).

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Nelsieus

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Originally posted by: josh6079
This site is selling the Home Premium edition and claims in big letters at the top: "(Shipping Mid January)" which is before Jan. 30th.

This site has 999 Home Premium versions in stock and when you purchase it automatically gives you the FedEx ground 1-7 days shipping, still putting a buyer before the Jan. 30th "launch" date.

This one ships the same day. Home Premium version ready to ship right now. They even give you a little key as to what the "Sun" means when you click on it.

beggerking's phone is gonna be busy.

Just because it's in their inventory doesn't mean it's available.

It's going to be an uphill battle for you if you're trying to propose Vista is actually available to consumers, despite the statements from MS that it won't be until Jan. 30, and the validity of these "etailers."

Nelsieus
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: josh6079
This site is selling the Home Premium edition and claims in big letters at the top: "(Shipping Mid January)" which is before Jan. 30th.

This site has 999 Home Premium versions in stock and when you purchase it automatically gives you the FedEx ground 1-7 days shipping, still putting a buyer before the Jan. 30th "launch" date.

This one ships the same day. Home Premium version ready to ship right now. They even give you a little key as to what the "Sun" means when you click on it.

beggerking's phone is gonna be busy.

Yet on the very same site, this follows on every version of vista, Including basic, home, business and ultimate:

"Availability:
Place your order today and be one of the first to receive this product when it arrives!"

Here: Have a gander at the "availability" area

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Originally posted by: josh6079
This site is selling the Home Premium edition and claims in big letters at the top: "(Shipping Mid January)" which is before Jan. 30th.

This site has 999 Home Premium versions in stock and when you purchase it automatically gives you the FedEx ground 1-7 days shipping, still putting a buyer before the Jan. 30th "launch" date.

This one ships the same day. Home Premium version ready to ship right now. They even give you a little key as to what the "Sun" means when you click on it.

beggerking's phone is gonna be busy.

Just because it's in their inventory doesn't mean it's available.

It's going to be an uphill battle for you if you're trying to propose Vista is actually available to consumers, despite the statements from MS that it won't be until Jan. 30, and the validity of these "etailers."

Nelsieus
it's been an impossible uphill battle for you since you joined these forums ... we learned all your *tricks* from "debating" Rollo.

despite you constant spew of ridicule, illogic and FUD-spinning, you cannot obfuscate the fact that vista IS available to volume licensing customers ... now ... today ...

... for them, Vista IS ready

otoh, 8800 is not ready

 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: josh6079

Can you please ship me your cell phone with free long distance so I don't get charged? I find it rather redundant to pay for an argument. That and another report is conflicting with yours and the information you're relaying is no where to be found on the sales page nor any page that you are taken through when purchasing the product. I went as far into that site as I could to buy that product until I was one click away from purchasing it and no where did it ever warn me of not shipping immediately. Bad site? Maybe. But I believe that you are concocting false "evidence."

BS!
on the Kenzo site, all the way down, "contact us", here , I copy and pasted for you

Keenzo Electronics

Mailing Address
86 Bartlett Drive
Manhasset, NY 11030
Business Office Only - No Pickups, Returns or Warehouse at this location.

(516) 684-9357 Phone
(516) 706-1464 Fax

Also I just send an email to your new links. waiting for email from them.
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: apoppin

. . . anyway there isn't any important HW i have that that will not work with Vista ... at least thru RC2 ...;

this is where you are wrong. Its not Vista, its DX10. No other important HW that will work w. DX10 for now.
 

Nelsieus

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Originally posted by: josh6079
This site is selling the Home Premium edition and claims in big letters at the top: "(Shipping Mid January)" which is before Jan. 30th.

This site has 999 Home Premium versions in stock and when you purchase it automatically gives you the FedEx ground 1-7 days shipping, still putting a buyer before the Jan. 30th "launch" date.

This one ships the same day. Home Premium version ready to ship right now. They even give you a little key as to what the "Sun" means when you click on it.

beggerking's phone is gonna be busy.

Just because it's in their inventory doesn't mean it's available.

It's going to be an uphill battle for you if you're trying to propose Vista is actually available to consumers, despite the statements from MS that it won't be until Jan. 30, and the validity of these "etailers."

Nelsieus
it's been an impossible uphill battle for you since you joined these forums ... we learned all your *tricks* from "debating" Rollo.

despite you constant spew of ridicule, illogic and FUD-spinning, you cannot obfuscate the fact that vista IS available to volume licensing customers ... now ... today ...

... for them, Vista IS ready

otoh, 8800 is not ready

Your trolling tactics have become quite ignorant.

But what makes me chuckle is the fact that almost entirely everyone has belittled you, yet you keep making the same impotent remarks. It's as if you're trying to outdo yourself with each new post, unable to get the hint that all you're doing is humiliating yourself.

Nelsieus
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Nelsieus
Originally posted by: josh6079
This site is selling the Home Premium edition and claims in big letters at the top: "(Shipping Mid January)" which is before Jan. 30th.

This site has 999 Home Premium versions in stock and when you purchase it automatically gives you the FedEx ground 1-7 days shipping, still putting a buyer before the Jan. 30th "launch" date.

This one ships the same day. Home Premium version ready to ship right now. They even give you a little key as to what the "Sun" means when you click on it.

beggerking's phone is gonna be busy.

Just because it's in their inventory doesn't mean it's available.

It's going to be an uphill battle for you if you're trying to propose Vista is actually available to consumers, despite the statements from MS that it won't be until Jan. 30, and the validity of these "etailers."

Nelsieus
it's been an impossible uphill battle for you since you joined these forums ... we learned all your *tricks* from "debating" Rollo.

despite you constant spew of ridicule, illogic and FUD-spinning, you cannot obfuscate the fact that vista IS available to volume licensing customers ... now ... today ...

... for them, Vista IS ready

otoh, 8800 is not ready

Your trolling tactics have become quite ignorant.

But what makes me chuckle is the fact that almost entirely everyone has belittled you, yet you keep making the same impotent remarks. It's as if you're trying to outdo yourself with each new post, unable to get the hint that all you're doing is humiliating yourself.

Nelsieus

your's are beyond ignorant

by *everyone* you mean the true support-nvidia-or-die raving fanatics?

perhaps

but it's more like me "debating" Larry Curley and Moe ... whose tactics are to *distract* from the crux of the matter by what ever means possible ... exactly as the trollmaster Rollo.

even nvidia [now] agrees with me
:Q

go to their site and look again and try to see it from a consumer's PoV.

NVIDIA desktop GPUs - "Windows Vista Ready:"
NVIDIA desktop GPUs
"Windows Vista Ready:"

** GeForce 8800 GPUs
GeForce 7950 GPUs
GeForce 7900 GPUs
GeForce 7800 GPUs
GeForce 7600 GPUs
GeForce 7300 GPUs
GeForce 7100 GPUs
GeForce 6800 GPUs
GeForce 6600 GPUs
GeForce 6500 GPUs
GeForce 6200 GPUs
GeForce 6100/6150 GPUs
GeForce FX 5900 GPUs
GeForce FX 5700 GPUs
GeForce FX 5600 GPUs
GeForce FX 5500 GPUs
GeForce FX 5200 GPUs
GeForce PCX GPUs

NVIDIA Quadro NVS 440 GPUs
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 285 GPUs
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 280 GPUs
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 210S

note the Quadros as a desktop solution

Now note the **disclaimer**
** GeForce 8800 requires updated drivers for Vista, which will be available to download when Vista is available at retail in late January.

nvidia has a **DISCLAIMER** for *ONE* of it's product lines ... the 8800 series ... it CLEARLY states that drivers are NOT available for their product until the "official" Vista launch - at retail - and there is a DATE ... late January.

On the OTHER hand there is no **disclaimer** on the 8800 damn box which has been available for quite awhile


For WHATEVER reason nvidia chooses not to release their g80 driver, they weren't FORESIGHTED enough to put the SAME disclaimer on the box....

which is what i am taking issue with ... all that i am taking issue with

[IF nvidia put the SAME **disclaimer** on their box in the beginning, i'd have NO issue and would not have posted here at all]

When Someone [normal] sees *Vista Ready* they expect it to be *Vista Ready* unless it SPECIFIES what KIND of vista or has a disclaimer.

now spin on ... i'm off to play videogames.

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Acanthus

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Theres a piece on the state of the drivers and whats going on with them in the AT CES review.

But ya know, BFG thinks nvidia should write 200 million lines of fresh code in 2 weeks.

Really man, sometimes you have good posts, but you do so much retarded nitpicking i cant stand it.

nvidia has had months to write that code ... there have been Alpha drivers for Vista and G80 for a long time now ... the beta drivers are OBVIOUSLY already written.

Really man, sometimes you have good posts, but you do so much retarded nitpicking i cant stand it.

i *can* buy Vista now and a G80 ... today

but it would be stupidly pointless ... G80 is NOT "Vista Ready"

Go bitch about NWN2, at least you have a legit complaint there.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Theres a piece on the state of the drivers and whats going on with them in the AT CES review.

But ya know, BFG thinks nvidia should write 200 million lines of fresh code in 2 weeks.

Really man, sometimes you have good posts, but you do so much retarded nitpicking i cant stand it.

nvidia has had months to write that code ... there have been Alpha drivers for Vista and G80 for a long time now ... the beta drivers are OBVIOUSLY already written.

Really man, sometimes you have good posts, but you do so much retarded nitpicking i cant stand it.

i *can* buy Vista now and a G80 ... today

but it would be stupidly pointless ... G80 is NOT "Vista Ready"

Go bitch about NWN2, at least you have a legit complaint there.

more *distraction tactics* ... pointless to the thread except to inflame

at least NWN2 now works on most systems ... otoh, you cannot play it at all - or run anything useful - on *Any Vista* with a 8800
:thumbsdown:


my *problem* is there is no **disclaimer** on nvidia's boxes as there is - now - on their website.

evidently they - nvidia - *now* agree it needs a **disclaimer** ... even though you don't
 

beggerking

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Whatever apoppin. you are clearly confused, need help, or simply trolling.

to josh

1. reply from first store:

It is not in stock yet, but it is expected next week. It will be shipped out on launch date.

Stan Rich
Campus Tech


2. the 2nd link says "Please note that this item is a license and not a boxed item." its only a license.

3. clearly states "Windows Vista Home Premium - License - 1 PC - English "
its only a license. I still emailed them though.. waiting for them to email back.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: beggerking
Whatever apoppin. you are clearly confused, need help, or simply trolling.

same to you but double

that's why i stopped replying to you from the beginning ... you have no *substance* in any of your posts as they are all designed to troll and distract from the real issues.

weren't you "on vacation" from here for that very reason?


again there is no **disclaimer** on 8800 boxes like there is on nvidia websites.

i guess nvidia now agrees with the consumer - not you
... but don't have a way to 'fix' it retroactively
 

Zstream

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Originally posted by: beggerking
Whatever apoppin. you are clearly confused, need help, or simply trolling.

to josh

1. reply from first store:

It is not in stock yet, but it is expected next week. It will be shipped out on launch date.

Stan Rich
Campus Tech


2. the 2nd link says "Please note that this item is a license and not a boxed item." its only a license.

3. clearly states "Windows Vista Home Premium - License - 1 PC - English "
its only a license. I still emailed them though.. waiting for them to email back.

Why email when you can call? Lol you are so full of it.

lol this thread is funny
 

beggerking

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: beggerking
Whatever apoppin. you are clearly confused, need help, or simply trolling.

to josh

1. reply from first store:

It is not in stock yet, but it is expected next week. It will be shipped out on launch date.

Stan Rich
Campus Tech


2. the 2nd link says "Please note that this item is a license and not a boxed item." its only a license.

3. clearly states "Windows Vista Home Premium - License - 1 PC - English "
its only a license. I still emailed them though.. waiting for them to email back.
Obviously you can't read. I never called/emailed the 2nd one, it says on the website.. Let me bold it for you..

Why email when you can call? Lol you are so full of it.

lol this thread is funny

if you don't trust me, then go ahead and give them a call see what they says and give us an answer on shipping date. Same goes for you Josh. OTHERWISE, STFU and keep your mouth shut!



 

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Amazing...
People have time and energy to troll for days.
But the same people don't have the time to call Microsoft just once?
Simply amazing...
 

Zstream

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Originally posted by: Ateo
Amazing...
People have time and energy to troll for days.
But the same people don't have the time to call Microsoft just once?
Simply amazing...

Who are you again?

This arguement was never about the major release of vista on Jan 30th but rather the lack of any driver to even use 16bit on the vista RC2, Vista either by a user that is at home or has a business that has been already released by Microsoft or purchased which is a rather large number when Nvidia stated that the card would be supported and working with the OS which is clearly labeled on the box.
 

Zstream

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Originally posted by: beggerking
Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: beggerking
Whatever apoppin. you are clearly confused, need help, or simply trolling.

to josh

1. reply from first store:

It is not in stock yet, but it is expected next week. It will be shipped out on launch date.

Stan Rich
Campus Tech


2. the 2nd link says "Please note that this item is a license and not a boxed item." its only a license.

3. clearly states "Windows Vista Home Premium - License - 1 PC - English "
its only a license. I still emailed them though.. waiting for them to email back.
Obviously you can't read. I never called/emailed the 2nd one, it says on the website.. Let me bold it for you..

Why email when you can call? Lol you are so full of it.

lol this thread is funny

if you don't trust me, then go ahead and give them a call see what they says and give us an answer on shipping date. Same goes for you Josh. OTHERWISE, STFU and keep your mouth shut!

Go back a few post and you stated you called them which was total BS. I left a message for the mac site and they should be getting back to me on tuesday.
 

BFG10K

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If Nvidia has shown of a Vista driver for G80 at CES, don't you think there is a good chance that developers have some sort of beta drivers from Nvidia so they CAN develope?
AFAIK most of the big developers are using the reference rasterizer for DX10 development. Anyway, I'm not talking about 3D developers like Crytek, I'm talking about everyone else who writes utility and production programs (et al).

I'm a hobbyist programmer but if I wanted to install Vista and develop some programs I'd have to remove my 8800 GTS and put my 7900 GTX because my 8800 GTS is not Vista ready despite the box saying otherwise.

But ya know, BFG thinks nvidia should write 200 million lines of fresh code in 2 weeks.
Again this is totally irrelevant to anything - driver code size and the time taken to write it is irrelevant to nVidia's Vista ready claims.

I'm not the one saying the card is Vista ready, nVidia was. Perhaps they should've thought of driver code size before they made such a claim.

WHY would they NEED to use a $400 card for business application development?
Again totally and utterly irrelevant. It doesn't say "Vista ready unless BeggerKing thinks you don't need a G80 + Vista". Your opinion does not contradict fact.

Again I do hobbyist development but because I'm primarily a gamer my card is a G80. That you can't see any such scenarios is your problem and has no relevance to the core issue.

BFG, explain the difference between "Vista ready" vs "Vista Compatible".
Again totally and utterly irrelevant. Not only that but there is currently no difference unless you're going to tell us hardware has nothing to do with software and that the BIOS will be running the DirectX 10 games. :roll:
 

Nelsieus

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Originally posted by: BFG10KAgain totally and utterly irrelevant. It doesn't say "Vista ready unless BeggerKing thinks you don't need a G80 + Vista". Your opinion does not contradict fact.
No, it's not irrelevant, because it has exactly to do with your marketing complaints.

For the third time, MS and nVidia go by the logical standard that:
a.) consumers buy the consumer versions when they release Jan. 30
b.) the highend graphics technology is not desired / needed / designated by the business community

This standard is nothing new, nor unreasonable by any imagination. Before the issue at hand, I think everyone would agree quite fervently that it is a valid set of expectations, geared towards one focal point and thus maximum productivity.

Originally posted by: BFG10KAgain totally and utterly irrelevant. Not only that but there is currently no difference unless you're going to tell us hardware has nothing to do with software and that the BIOS will be running the DirectX 10 games. :roll:
"Vist ready" implies the hardware meets Vista spec and DX10 API standard (SM4, WGF 2.0 compliant, etc). You do not have to have a driver to activate these features, they are already built in the GPU.

Nelsieus

 

Creig

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Originally posted by: Nelsieus
"Vist ready" implies the hardware meets Vista spec and DX10 API standard (SM4, WGF 2.0 compliant, etc). You do not have to have a driver to activate these features, they are already built in the GPU.

Nelsieus

Wrong. According to Microsoft, in order to display the Vista Ready logo, a GPU must be "DirectX 9 Capable (WDDM Driver Support recommended)". Without drivers, it is not capable of displaying DirectX content and is therefore NOT Vista Ready.
 

Avalon

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: Ateo
Amazing...
People have time and energy to troll for days.
But the same people don't have the time to call Microsoft just once?
Simply amazing...

Who are you again?

This arguement was never about the major release of vista on Jan 30th but rather the lack of any driver to even use 16bit on the vista RC2, Vista either by a user that is at home or has a business that has been already released by Microsoft or purchased which is a rather large number when Nvidia stated that the card would be supported and working with the OS which is clearly labeled on the box.

He's someone that's making sense and pointing out a laughable hypocrisy.
You guys are wasting so much energy arguing over this trivial bullsh!t.

I hope it makes everyone feel like they've really accomplished something here :roll:
 

Nelsieus

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Originally posted by: Creig
Originally posted by: Nelsieus
"Vist ready" implies the hardware meets Vista spec and DX10 API standard (SM4, WGF 2.0 compliant, etc). You do not have to have a driver to activate these features, they are already built in the GPU.

Nelsieus

Wrong. According to Microsoft, in order to display the Vista Ready logo, a GPU must be "DirectX 9 Capable (WDDM Driver Support recommended)". Without drivers, it is not capable of displaying DirectX content and is therefore NOT Vista Ready.

Which brings you to the point that Vista has not yet been released to consumers.

If Geforce 8800 is still markted as "Vista Ready" when Vista becomes available on Jan. 30, but doesn't have the Vista drivers, then you have a legitimate claim.

Until then, you cannot forsee that nVidia won't have drivers by Vista's availability, and then pull that in to make a case pertaining to present time.

Nelsieus
 
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