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Your gender studies professor would be very happy to hear the programming has firmly taken hold.

You just can't deviate from the "shaming" formula. Not ever. Debate or discussion is impossible - it's *accept your argument without question or receive shame & insults*.



*sigh*

 

senseamp

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http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/
At one point in the video, Nucatola tells the “buyers” (the actors purporting to represent a fetal tissue procurement company are described as “buyers” in a transcript provided by the Center for Medical Progress) that affiliates wouldn’t make decisions about whether to work with a tissue research organization based on money. “You could call them up and say, ‘I’ll pay you double the money,’ and they’re almost more inclined to say no, because it’s going to look bad. … To them, this is not a service they should be making money from, it’s something they should be able to offer this to their patients, in a way that doesn’t impact them.”

I don't see a problem with what PP is doing. They are offering an option for their patients to donate fetal tissue, and only covering their own expenses.

According to the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit focused on sexual and reproductive health, tissue from fetuses has been used since the 1930s for a variety of purposes. Perhaps most famously, the 1954 Nobel Prize in medicine was awarded to researchers who managed to grow polio vaccine in fetal kidney cell cultures.
In another example, Leonard Hayflick created a cell line from an aborted fetus in the early 1960s that has been used to create vaccines against measles, rubella, shingles and other diseases. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told the journal Nature in 2013 that “[t]hese cells from one fetus have no doubt saved the lives of millions of people.”

I guess "pro-lifers" would rather fetal tissue go in the dumpster than save lives.
 
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senseamp

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Except that killing babies in a specific way to harvest specific body parts violates federal law. If you watch the video you can see Nucatola talk out of both sides of her mouth. First she tries to say that they cant take specific orders to kill for specific body parts but then describes in the video what "affiliates" have done to harvest specific body parts for sale.

I guess "people with no qualms about killing babies for money" would rather the law did not exist so they can cover their own expenses like pay great salaries, eat at nice restaurants and talk about how to make lots of money supplying health care, beauty and other industries.....without having to pretend like they follow the law.

The order to perform abortion comes from the woman. The permission to harvest the fetal tissue for research comes from the woman. $30-100 is nothing for medical research companies, they would be willing to pay far far more. If PP wanted to live large off the practice, they could charge a lot more, but they charge their own shipping and handling expenses, which are reasonable, given that this is biological specimens they are handling. Look at how much your hospital lab charges to handle your piss. Again, if you want to demonstrate that $30-100 to handle organs and biological tissue is unreasonable, you can demonstrate, by comparing how much other practitioners charge to harvest and handle donated organs. Otherwise you are demagogueing a practice that helps life saving research, which could cost people their lives.
 

senseamp

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I said their whole practice of harvesting organs for money was illegal to begin with. This has nothing to do with shipping charges or what not. Federal law says you cannot harvest organs for money.

End of story.

When abortion is made illegal again, all these ghouls will have to find another line of work, like working for UPS or something where they can dwell on shipping charges until the cows come home and no one dies in the process.

Are you a lawyer? It's legal to collect money to cover your handling and shipping expenses on donated tissue.
The only ghoul here is you, who thinks it's better that this tissue be discarded than used to save potentially millions of lives.
 

OutHouse

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Instead of investigating whether Planned Parenthood illegally trafficked baby body parts, Obama's DOJ is targeting the group behind the undercover videos
 

sandorski

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Instead of investigating whether Planned Parenthood illegally trafficked baby body parts, Obama's DOJ is targeting the group behind the undercover videos

You mean the group that Illegally set itself up as a non-Profit Medical organization which may have taken Donations from the Public, but did nothing even close to what they claimed they were doing. AKA, potentially committed Fraud?

As opposed to PP which did not Illegally Traffic anything.
 

thraashman

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Are you a lawyer? It's legal to collect money to cover your handling and shipping expenses on donated tissue.
The only ghoul here is you, who thinks it's better that this tissue be discarded than used to save potentially millions of lives.
Because the "pro life" people have never been pro life. They're pro government control of women's bodies. Really, they're fucking sociopaths.
You mean the group that Illegally set itself up as a non-Profit Medical organization which may have taken Donations from the Public, but did nothing even close to what they claimed they were doing. AKA, potentially committed Fraud?

As opposed to PP which did not Illegally Traffic anything.

As soon as I heard this group was a non profit I was hoping they'd be investigated, it's beyond clear they committed tax fraud.
 

Blue_Max

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Because the "pro life" people have never been pro life. They're pro government control of women's bodies. Really, they're fucking sociopaths.

That's utter and complete horseshit. Worse, it's propaganda of the mega-feminists to stir up hate towards anyone who DARES to question their freedom to do anything they damn well please, including zero-consequence abortion regardless of circumstance.

Now who's the sociopath? (Of course, I don't expect an honest answer from your crowd - the question is posed for people who can still rationalize and come to an independent decision.)


...and there's a ton of sources on the cosmetics-from-foreskins issue, it's not just "anecdotal stories from random sites."
 

thraashman

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That's utter and complete horseshit. Worse, it's propaganda of the mega-feminists to stir up hate towards anyone who DARES to question their freedom to do anything they damn well please, including zero-consequence abortion regardless of circumstance.

Now who's the sociopath? (Of course, I don't expect an honest answer from your crowd - the question is posed for people who can still rationalize and come to an independent decision.)


...and there's a ton of sources on the cosmetics-from-foreskins issue, it's not just "anecdotal stories from random sites."
And as if summoned by the God of Misogyny himself (Nehalemathist), P&N's resident woman hating sociopath himself appears. It's like how if you say Candyman 3 times he appears, in P&N all you have to do is indicate a belief that women deserve equal rights and should be allowed control over their own medical decisions and *poof*, Blue_max the crusading dickbag appears.
 

Paratus

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That's utter and complete horseshit. Worse, it's propaganda of the mega-feminists to stir up hate towards anyone who DARES to question their freedom to do anything they damn well please, including zero-consequence abortion regardless of circumstance.

Now who's the sociopath? (Of course, I don't expect an honest answer from your crowd - the question is posed for people who can still rationalize and come to an independent decision.)


...and there's a ton of sources on the cosmetics-from-foreskins issue, it's not just "anecdotal stories from random sites."

Let's look at the potential ramifications of "ProLife" religious laws.

In the Dominican Republic where all abortions are illegal:
Pregnant teen dies of cancer from delayed chemo treatment becuse the treatment may have aborted the fetus

Glad they put the health of the fetus before the mother. Worked out well didn't it.

In Texas where it's illegal to remove medical treatments that might harm the unborn. A brain dead pregnant woman was kept on life support against her and her family's wishes to try and keep the malformed fetus alive

Glad we didn't play God there. It took a court order to allow the woman's body to die. Nothing says Pro Life like using the dead as incubators.

In Brazil the church excommunicated the doctors and mother of a girl who received an abortion. The girl was 9 years old and had allegedly been raped by her step-father . She was carrying twins and was at significant risk of death or injury from trying to carry the twins.

The pro-life position, force a 9 year old rape victim to carry twins to term even if it kills her and the twins. But hey the good news is you could probably get the death penalty for the rapist.

Sorry the pro-life position sounds like it's insane.
 

Blue_Max

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And as if summoned by the God of Misogyny himself (Nehalemathist), P&N's resident woman hating sociopath himself appears. It's like how if you say Candyman 3 times he appears, in P&N all you have to do is indicate a belief that women deserve equal rights and should be allowed control over their own medical decisions and *poof*, Blue_max the crusading dickbag appears.

Still sticking to the tried-and-true formula of shaming and insulting. Neeeeeever a deviation. Question abortions or feminism in any way, you're an "evil misogynist". [cue Orwell's two minutes of hate]

Bet you're not even aware how evil your planned parenthood heroine was:
“[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children… [Women must have the right] to live … to love… to be lazy … to be an unmarried mother … to create… to destroy… The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order… The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
– Margaret Sanger

“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. And the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
– Margaret Sanger

“Today eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.

“I think you must agree… that the campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics… Birth control propaganda is thus the entering wedge for the eugenic educator.

“As an advocate of birth control I wish… to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the ‘unfit’ and the ‘fit,’ admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation.

“On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.”
– Margaret Sanger

“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”
– Margaret Sanger

 

sandorski

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Still sticking to the tried-and-true formula of shaming and insulting. Neeeeeever a deviation. Question abortions or feminism in any way, you're an "evil misogynist". [cue Orwell's two minutes of hate]

Bet you're not even aware how evil your planned parenthood heroine was:
“[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children… [Women must have the right] to live … to love… to be lazy … to be an unmarried mother … to create… to destroy… The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order… The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”
– Margaret Sanger

“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. And the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.”
– Margaret Sanger

“Today eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.

“I think you must agree… that the campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics… Birth control propaganda is thus the entering wedge for the eugenic educator.

“As an advocate of birth control I wish… to point out that the unbalance between the birth rate of the ‘unfit’ and the ‘fit,’ admittedly the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation.

“On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective.”
– Margaret Sanger

“Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.”
– Margaret Sanger


She is admired for fighting for Birth Control for women.
 

senseamp

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That's utter and complete horseshit. Worse, it's propaganda of the mega-feminists to stir up hate towards anyone who DARES to question their freedom to do anything they damn well please, including zero-consequence abortion regardless of circumstance.

Now who's the sociopath? (Of course, I don't expect an honest answer from your crowd - the question is posed for people who can still rationalize and come to an independent decision.)


...and there's a ton of sources on the cosmetics-from-foreskins issue, it's not just "anecdotal stories from random sites."

...only it's more likely to be made into "beauty creams" like baby foreskins are.
You have no proof of the bolded part of your own statement, even if you prove it may have anecdotaly happened.

In any case, it's pro-lifers who want to stop fetal tissue from being used in life saving research. But I bet they immunize their kids against Rubella, vaccine for which was derived using aborted human fetuses.
 

Nebor

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Good to see that those that made the videos are going to be investigated. I'm a big supporter of Planned Parenthood, and legalized abortion. The founder was an amazing woman too. We need more like her now.
 

michal1980

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Good to see that those that made the videos are going to be investigated. I'm a big supporter of Planned Parenthood, and legalized abortion. The founder was an amazing woman too. We need more like her now.

more racists?
 

FelixDeCat

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These were the same fools who let the IRS get away with breaking the law. Nothing but clowns.
 
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