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WTSherman

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I would warn abortion rights people, personal responsibility is going to be the answer, at the core of our problem as a nation is the complete lack of vision. The freedom of choice occurs when you are so irresponsible that you can't even use birth control, much less discretion.
 

ivwshane

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I would warn abortion rights people, personal responsibility is going to be the answer, at the core of our problem as a nation is the complete lack of vision. The freedom of choice occurs when you are so irresponsible that you can't even use birth control, much less discretion.

And I would warn stupid people about being stupid but you and I both know that's not going to change anything so why don't you keep your stupidity to yourself and not get abortions and the pro choice people will keep their decisions to have abortions to themselves.
 

WTSherman

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And I would warn stupid people about being stupid but you and I both know that's not going to change anything so why don't you keep your stupidity to yourself and not get abortions and the pro choice people will keep their decisions to have abortions to themselves.

I resent the fact that minors are allowed to get abortions without parents consent. I know its allowed in Detroit area. I'm a provincial.
 
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WTSherman

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That's a totally separate issue.

Are the people ever going to be allowed to vote again on the subject of abortion? I don't see how we can be forever banned from voting on something this way. When was the last time any of you have had a chance to vote on this?
 

ivwshane

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Are the people ever going to be allowed to vote again on the subject of abortion? I don't see how we can be forever banned from voting on something this way. When was the last time any of you have had a chance to vote on this?

All rights are up for grabs, get enough people around your cause and anything is possible.

If your issue is with minors and parental consent then I suggest you focus on that. Many states have laws that restrict minors access to abirtions but at the same time allow for exceptions.
 

WTSherman

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All rights are up for grabs, get enough people around your cause and anything is possible.

If your issue is with minors and parental consent then I suggest you focus on that. Many states have laws that restrict minors access to abirtions but at the same time allow for exceptions.

The foundations of society depend on a basic respect for human life and liberty. It requires an understanding and respect for personal responsibility, the traditional family and an expectation that people will pull their weight.
 

sandorski

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The foundations of society depend on a basic respect for human life and liberty. It requires an understanding and respect for personal responsibility, the traditional family and an expectation that people will pull their weight.

That's your opinion on it.

Modern Western Societies are based upon Human Rights based on the principle of Liberty. That does require Personal Responsibility, but has nothing to do with "Traditional Family".
 

senseamp

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ivwshane

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The foundations of society depend on a basic respect for human life and liberty. It requires an understanding and respect for personal responsibility, the traditional family and an expectation that people will pull their weight.


Uh no, your opinion ends at my doorstop as does my opinions. This country was created to get away from the religious persecution bullshit!
 

thraashman

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I resent the fact that minors are allowed to get abortions without parents consent. I know its allowed in Detroit area. I'm a provincial.
If a parent catches their minor child smoking pot, should that parent be allowed to force the child to do intravenous drugs? If you answer no, then why should a parent be allowed to force a minor child to carry a pregnancy to term by denying them the right to an abortion?

Are the people ever going to be allowed to vote again on the subject of abortion? I don't see how we can be forever banned from voting on something this way. When was the last time any of you have had a chance to vote on this?

The people are also never going to be allowed to vote on the concept of slavery. Rights are rights, they shouldn't be put to a vote. The tyranny of the majority should NEVER be something anyone is ok with.
 

Gamingphreek

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If a parent catches their minor child smoking pot, should that parent be allowed to force the child to do intravenous drugs? If you answer no, then why should a parent be allowed to force a minor child to carry a pregnancy to term by denying them the right to an abortion?



The people are also never going to be allowed to vote on the concept of slavery. Rights are rights, they shouldn't be put to a vote. The tyranny of the majority should NEVER be something anyone is ok with.

I'm sorry, are you honestly suggesting that not being allowed to kill a baby is at all similar to forced intravenous drug use?

-GP
 

dank69

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I'm sorry, are you honestly suggesting that not being allowed to kill a baby is at all similar to forced intravenous drug use?

-GP
Considering the fetus will be injecting hormones into the teen non-stop, I think it is a valid comparison.
 

dank69

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The foundations of society depend on a basic respect for human life and liberty. It requires an understanding and respect for personal responsibility, the traditional family and an expectation that people will pull their weight.
Traditional family? Nope.
 

Gamingphreek

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It's so cute when they call abortion "killing babies".

I'm sorry, if it isn't a human child (aka baby) then what organs are they harvesting? Also, how does their [morbid] exclamation "it's another boy" make any sense if it isn't a child?

I think the PP employees in the videos have [inadvertently] debunked the whole "it's just a clump of cells" nonsense -- you'll have to invent a new party line now.

-GP
 

CitizenKain

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Are the people ever going to be allowed to vote again on the subject of abortion? I don't see how we can be forever banned from voting on something this way. When was the last time any of you have had a chance to vote on this?

Because it isn't up for a vote. Nor should it be. It isn't your business.
 

Subyman

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I'm late to the thread here, but did anything come of this or was it a right-wing spin job to attack Planned Parenthood?
 

Gamingphreek

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CitizenKain said:
Because it isn't up for a vote. Nor should it be. It isn't your business.

Actually, the USA is a Constitutional Representative Republic, so I get to vote on matters and elect other people to vote on matters on my behalf with respect to the policy that the USA attends to. Given that my tax dollars are going to support this act, I actually do have a say just like any other person. That said, it shouldn't be up for a vote because purposefully killing another person should never be an option to begin with.

With respect to whether or not this matter is an individual's business, I'll have to respectfully disagree there as well. Regardless of what the courts ruled, if there is something that comes in direct contest with morality, it is the duty of good people to weigh in on the matter ("The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"). Add that to the above point and it, categorically, is my business.

No need to apologize, it's called a "fetus". The organs are called "fetal organs".

Fetus would be the stage in development that the person is at. The stage of development does not negate the species. With that in mind, let's get more specific - what type of fetus is this? Is it a dog fetus, human fetus, or bear fetus? (Hint: if you fast forward to what the fetus would grow into, you will find your answer)

-GP

Edit: Just in case you didn't believe my definition of fetus, here is the link to Merriam Webster and the copy and pasted definition from their site:
-"a human being or animal in the later stages of development before it is born" Link
 
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CitizenKain

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Actually, the USA is a Constitutional Representative Republic, so I get to vote on matters and elect other people to vote on matters on my behalf with respect to the policy that the USA attends to. Given that my tax dollars are going to support this act, I actually do have a say just like any other person. That said, it shouldn't be up for a vote because purposefully killing another person should never be an option to begin with.

With respect to whether or not this matter is an individual's business, I'll have to respectfully disagree there as well. Regardless of what the courts ruled, if there is something that comes in direct contest with morality, it is the duty of good people to weigh in on the matter ("The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"). Add that to the above point and it, categorically, is my business.

Well it a good thing your money isn't paying for abortions then. Also it was already decided on, and its legal. If you don't like abortions, don't get one.

I have a feeling your hesitation to killing people doesn't extend to the military though.
 

fskimospy

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Actually, the USA is a Constitutional Representative Republic, so I get to vote on matters and elect other people to vote on matters on my behalf with respect to the policy that the USA attends to. Given that my tax dollars are going to support this act, I actually do have a say just like any other person. That said, it shouldn't be up for a vote because purposefully killing another person should never be an option to begin with.

That's pretty good. 'It should only be up for a vote if the current outcome is one I don't agree with.'

A woman's right to terminate her pregnancy is a right protected by the Constitution. You're welcome to try and change the Constitution if you want, but you will fail.

With respect to whether or not this matter is an individual's business, I'll have to respectfully disagree there as well. Regardless of what the courts ruled, if there is something that comes in direct contest with morality, it is the duty of good people to weigh in on the matter ("The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"). Add that to the above point and it, categorically, is my business.

You think something becomes your business because you think it's immoral? You might want to rethink that.

Fetus would be the stage in development that the person is at. The stage of development does not negate the species. With that in mind, let's get more specific - what type of fetus is this? Is it a dog fetus, human fetus, or bear fetus? (Hint: if you fast forward to what the fetus would grow into, you will find your answer)

-GP

Edit: Just in case you didn't believe my definition of fetus, here is the link to Merriam Webster and the copy and pasted definition from their site:
-"a human being or animal in the later stages of development before it is born" Link

A fetus does not meet the legal definition of a person as it pertains to abortion. The fetus has no legal right not to be aborted.

Additionally, trying to say that everything from an embryo to a fetus to a newborn are all humans at different stages of development is not useful in the terms of this discussion. As has been gone over here many times, fertilized embryos are obviously not people, and no person actually believes they are. You are free to decide that something meets your personal standard of personhood at some point, but you aren't free to impose it on others.
 

thraashman

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With respect to whether or not this matter is an individual's business, I'll have to respectfully disagree there as well. Regardless of what the courts ruled, if there is something that comes in direct contest with morality, it is the duty of good people to weigh in on the matter ("The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"). Add that to the above point and it, categorically, is my business.

It's weird that you think forcing women into subjugation is moral. It's in fact sick as fuck that you think that.
 
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