I support discriminating against homosexualsex

[Rilescat]

I don't discriminate at all. I hate everyone equally.

 

[BlackJesus03]

 

[BlackJesus03]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: Ldir
I support discriminating against homophobes and sanctimonious prudes.

fine with me, give me your basis of ethical standards and I'll be happy to discuss this with you; otherwise your view is completely bankrupt.

Or is your basis of ethics "disagree with the establishment";

Oh btw, nice try grouping Consentual sex between adults with Pedophiles. That would be akin tpo grouping your religion with Jim Jones and David Koreshes brand of Christianity

I respect you red, so how about you just answer the second question: What ethical standard doesn't allow for of-age incestuous sex, polygamy, or 'i own the body' necrophilia but still allows for homosexual sex?

I honestly don't care of any of these things happens, not my life, but i don't plan on ever voting to allow a government stamp-of-approval for them.

Hey genius- ethics has nothing or very little to do with that stupid book around which you base you entire, pathetic existence. Morality, on the other hand, is NOT the same, which is why they are two different words. So why you're over there lecturing the rest of the world on how you thing they should live, the rest of us will live our lives by what is good, and not try forcing our beliefs on everyone else. Get a life and stay out of ours you homophobic piece of crap.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

I respect you red, so how about you just answer the second question: What ethical standard doesn't allow for of-age incestuous sex, polygamy, or 'i own the body' necrophilia but still allows for homosexual sex?

The same one that allows for heterosexual sex but doesn't allow for incestuous sex, polygamy, or "i own the body" necrophilia...?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

I respect you red, so how about you just answer the second question: What ethical standard doesn't allow for of-age incestuous sex, polygamy, or 'i own the body' necrophilia but still allows for homosexual sex?

The same one that allows for heterosexual sex but doesn't allow for incestuous sex, polygamy, or "i own the body" necrophilia...?

Hehe, sometimes truth can be ever so simple.
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M: Our government is designed to protect us from the opinions of a bigoted majority. What about that don't you understand... All I hear is that that 'it bothers me emotionally by spoiling one of my cherished illusions'.
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KMK: you are dismissive because of an illogical attack on the person making the argument, not the argument itself"

M: I am. I do know that alot of people who are wrong and shown to be feel dismissed. I hadn't noticed you making an argument that wasn't thoroughly debunked and rested for it's effectiveness on a pre-existing condemnation of gays. Bananas are yellow. That has nothing to do with gay marriage. I can't comprehend loving a man sexually. That has nothing to do with gay marriage. So maybe you would like to present those aspects of reason and logic you feel you presented that weren't based on an assumed implied and previously extant, in your case, not mine, prejudice against gays. I think I dismissed your words because they were bigotry, not an argument.

LMK: ; you yourself are being ardent to your view w/out deference to logic.

M: Yes I am being ardent because I see bigotry as the source oh a huge portion of human misery and suffering and I see bigots as a danger to the world. I would rather beat you up a bit with words to get you to think than have to go to war and try to kill you on some battle field to preserve essential human freedoms. I would call that logic. You certainly are capable of seeing some forms of bigotry, bigotry against Christians, say? Are you passionate in defending freedom of religion or will you do nothing to defend your right to believe?

LMK: I'm not going to call you a bigot, because i know you aren't hate filled as-per the connotative meaning of the word. but you are dedicated to your side and will not waver from it, nor accept any other side as logical, no matter the information given.

M: We covered the dedicated part of this. As to not wavering, you haven't presented a case, just bigoted opinions. You have provided no other logic to believe in. I was given no information either that had a thing to do with the issue. As far as wavering is concerned, I have little Passion for this issue. I am not gay and have no desire to marry a man. But I think because I'm not bigoted in this case, I can see the issue with a clarity you can't. And I don't want bigotry to increase in this wonderful land. So I speak out and try to bring you to your senses. I don't have any irons in this fire and so I'm much more open than you, of that I'm pretty sure. But we see ourselves in others so you may be seeing you in me. I know, I'm a mirror.

 

[DrMoe]

A tough topic on which to comment. Your voting choices allude to the "slippery slope" that one begins to slide down when something traditional, such as marriage, is challenged by personal freedoms. Where do you draw the line? It's hard to say. Is it the job of the government to regulate this? Because marriage is a union honored by the government and many other institutions (joint taxes, insurance coverage, end of life issues in medicine) a decision like this has many other implications beyond how it fits into an ethical system. I don't think I have decided for myself yet...

Moe

 

[rbV5]

Because marriage is a union honored by the government and many other institutions (joint taxes, insurance coverage, end of life issues in medicine) a decision like this has many other implications beyond how it fits into an ethical system. I don't think I have decided for myself yet...

The reasons you give are the reasons. Those are exactly the implications that create the inequallity in the first place. Those basic rights should belong to all of us, or none of us.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Ldir
I support discriminating against homophobes and sanctimonious prudes.

And people who can't tell the difference between consensual and criminal behavior.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: rbV5

Because marriage is a union honored by the government and many other institutions (joint taxes, insurance coverage, end of life issues in medicine) a decision like this has many other implications beyond how it fits into an ethical system. I don't think I have decided for myself yet...

The reasons you give are the reasons. Those are exactly the implications that create the inequality in the first place. Those basic rights should belong to all of us, or none of us.

sounds like a bunch of people who don't want to force expenditures for their unethical behavior on employers.

ethics has nothing or very little to do with that stupid book around which you base you entire, pathetic existence.

I'm sorry you have to be so angry; fact is I'm not making a biblical argument, as the bible says nothing about allowing homosexuals to be viewed by the state as "married".

how can you justify the "taking" of basic rights, and at the same time satisfy the constitution of the Untied States

marriage is licensed by the state; no of age un-married man is precluded from marrying an of-age unmarried woman. So exactly what part of that is preclusion from privileges and what isn't?

i submit that homosexual sex is unethical, as per what was said earlier:

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Allow? So we need a "stamp of approval" from big brother to "allow" consensual sex

people can do anything they want with themselves or others that want it, having the government say it's a good thing is completely different.

My basis of what is and isn't sexually moral is traditional, you can insult the traditional view of sexual morality all you like, but it doesn't mean you have any thing to offer that's better; it just means you've got a "it's wrong BECAUSE it's traditional" view.
as for a more detailed account of what makes homosexual sex ethical bankrupt, thus not something that should have a government stamp-of-approval on it:
1.) male/male penetration causes increased likelihood of anal infections w/ a reduced immune system.

How does that cause a reduced immune system?

the rectally ruptured tissues allow feces into the blood; constant need to repair and fight these infections leads to a weakened immune system.

2.)The act of any homosexual sexual activity is destructive to emotional well-being.

Maybe if one of the partners was not gay

It is questionable as to why this is true, but suicide rates among gays is much higher.

3.)female/female sexual activity increases likelihood of many forms of cancer.

How so?

cervical cancer is higher because of the sexual activity, Brest cancer because of not lactating, and lung cancer because of the much higher percentage of lesbians that smoke. why things are this way is questionable as well, but the facts are still there.

4.)disregarding basic sexual morality increases pre-marital sex rates.

and this is a problem?

some don't think so, but it's my view that pre-marital sex is why we have such high levels of STDs and teen pregnancy.

5.)the average lesbian life style causes a higher substance abuse problem than average

so does living in poverty. Should we outlaw that too?

no, but it's a good idea to do what we can to discourage, rather than encourage *put a government stamp-of-approval*, such things;

6.)the average homosexual life style causes more std problems than the heterosexual counter-part.

Unprotected sex cause that and Studs is also rampant in Hetrosexuals,

this is true, but because of the homosexual rupturing and bleeding aids and other blood-born illnesses' transference is 4times more likely in gay sex. But then the likelihood of lesbian transference is the same if not lower.

7.)the average homosexual lifestyle leads to a much-decreased ability to fight aids.

Well so does having heterosexual sex in Africa

The governments of africa are discouraging non-monogamous sex there as well. Overall this is a culmination of the transferability of aids and the weakened immune system from homosexual sex.

you can disagree with these things being negative, but you'd better have an ethical basis for that view, otherwise your just ignorantly spouting off like so many others who's only reason for disagreeing is that they like to disagree.

Right now it's those who voted 'yes' that have any rightfully argument, as it's clear they disagree because they don't belive that any sort of consensual sex is an ethical issue.

that's good, and a utilitarian view on how to go at this is a very respectable one. Whatever informed conclusion you come to will be a respectable one... now to get other people on both sides to come to an informed conclusion instead of yelling "HOMOPHOBE" and "FAGOT".

Gay and Lesbian medical Association in a press release issued through Gay Wired on

June 10, 2002:
o Men having sex with men are at increased risk of HIV infection, a fact that is "well known." Also, the last few years have seen the return of many unsafe sex practices.
o Homosexual men use substances at a higher rate than the general population. This includes amyl nitrate (poppers), marijuana, Ecstasy and amphetamines.
o Depress and anxiety effect homosexuals at a higher rate than the general population.
o Men having sex with men are at an increased risk of sexually transmitted infection with the viruses that cause the serious condition of the liver known as hepatitis, which can lead to cirrhosis and liver cancer.
o Sexually transmitted diseases occur in sexually active homosexuals at a high rate. This includes STD infections for which treatment is available (syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, pub lic lice) and those for which there is
no cure (HIV, Hepatitis A, B, or C virus, Human Papilloma Virus).
o Homosexual men are at risk for death by prostate, testicular or colon cancer.
o Homosexual men have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than heterosexual men.
o Homosexual men use tobacco at much higher rates than heterosexual men, reaching nearly 50 percent in some studies. Tobacco-related health problems include lung disease, lung cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and a host of other serious problems.
o Homosexual men are more likely to experience and eating disorder such as bulimia or anorexia nervous, and overweight and obesity affect a large subset of the homosexual community.
o Homosexual men are at risk for human papilloma virus, which causes anal and genital warts, and plays a role in increased rates of anal cancers.



Support also can be found in these sights:
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/youth/tremblay/1930_95.html
http://www.fsw.ucalgary.ca/ramsay/homosexuality-suicide/Conference/f3.htm
http://www.hhpub.com/journals/crisis/1997/abstv18i1.html
http://idsc.nih.go.jp/iasr/24/278/tpc278.html
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/bc/condom.htm
http://www.nature.com/bjc/press_releases/press_release_38.html
http://www.aegis.com/news/bw/1996/bw960729.html


When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books. 1994.Correlates of same-sex sexual behavior in a random sample of Massachusettshigh school students. American Journal of Public Health 88 (2): 262-66,1998;Hershberger, Scott L., & Pilkington, Neil W. Predictors of suicide attempts among gay, lesbian and bisexual youth. Journal of AdolescentResearch 12 (4):477-97, 1997; Jordan, Karen M., Vaughan, Jill S., &Woodworth, Katharine J. I Will Survive: Lesbian, Gay and BisexualYouths Experience of High School. Journal of Gay and Lesbian SocialServices 7, 4, 17-33, 1997; Schaffer, David & Fisher, Prudence. SexualOrientation in Adolescents Who Commit Suicide. Suicide and LifeThreatening Behavior 25, supplement, 64-71, 1995; Proctor, Curtis D. &Groze, Victor K. Ã????????Risk factors for suicide among gay, lesbian and bisexualyouths. Social Work 39 (5): 504-13, 1994; Rotheram, Borus & Mary J., et al. Suicide Behavior and Gay-Related Stress Among Gay and Bisexual MaleAdolescents. Journal of Adolescent Research v9 n 4 p498-508 October1994.)

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as such shouldn't be given the government stamp of approval that is a marriage license.

we discriminate to now allow a government stamp-of-approval for all sorts of unethical behavior, from public intoxication to j-walking and so on; this unethical behavior is just like any other that society has every right to have it's elected representatives determine isn't one that should be government-approved.

 

[sandorski]

LMK: When you understand what the word "ethical" means, then you can use it.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: sandorski
LMK: When you understand what the word "ethical" means, then you can use it.

you just want to talk over this:

as for a more detailed account of what makes homosexual sex ethical bankrupt, thus not something that should have a government stamp-of-approval on it:

o male/male penetration causes increased likelihood of anal infections w/ a reduced immune system.
o The act of any homosexual sexual activity is destructive to emotional well-being.
o female/female sexual activity increases likelihood of many forms of cancer.
o disregarding basic sexual morality increases pre-marital sex rates.
o the average lesbian life style causes a higher substance abuse problem than average.
o the average homosexual life style causes more std problems than the heterosexual counter-part.
o the average homosexual lifestyle leads to a much-decreased ability to fight aids.

Gay and Lesbian medical Association in a press release issued through Gay Wired on

June 10, 2002:
o Men having sex with men are at increased risk of HIV infection, a fact that is "well known." Also, the last few years have seen the return of many unsafe sex practices.
o Homosexual men use substances at a higher rate than the general population. This includes amyl nitrate (poppers), marijuana, Ecstasy and amphetamines.
o Depress and anxiety effect homosexuals at a higher rate than the general population.
o Men having sex with men are at an increased risk of sexually transmitted infection with the viruses that cause the serious condition of the liver known as hepatitis, which can lead to cirrhosis and liver cancer.
o Sexually transmitted diseases occur in sexually active homosexuals at a high rate. This includes STD infections for which treatment is available (syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, pub lic lice) and those for which there is
no cure (HIV, Hepatitis A, B, or C virus, Human Papilloma Virus).
o Homosexual men are at risk for death by prostate, testicular or colon cancer.
o Homosexual men have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than heterosexual men.
o Homosexual men use tobacco at much higher rates than heterosexual men, reaching nearly 50 percent in some studies. Tobacco-related health problems include lung disease, lung cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and a host of other serious problems.
o Homosexual men are more likely to experience and eating disorder such as bulimia or anorexia nervous, and overweight and obesity affect a large subset of the homosexual community.
o Homosexual men are at risk for human papilloma virus, which causes anal and genital warts, and plays a role in increased rates of anal cancers.



Support also can be found in these sights:
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/youth/tremblay/1930_95.html
http://www.fsw.ucalgary.ca/ramsay/homosexuality-suicide/Conference/f3.htm
http://www.hhpub.com/journals/crisis/1997/abstv18i1.html
http://idsc.nih.go.jp/iasr/24/278/tpc278.html
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/bc/condom.htm
http://www.nature.com/bjc/press_releases/press_release_38.html
http://www.aegis.com/news/bw/1996/bw960729.html


we discriminate to now allow a government stamp-of-approval for all sorts of unethical behavior, from public intoxication to j-walking and so on; this unethical behavior is just like any other that society has every right to have it's elected representatives determine isn't one that should be government-approved.

otherwise you would have said something of relevance.

 

[datalink7]

3.)female/female sexual activity increases likelihood of many forms of cancer.

cervical cancer is higher because of the sexual activity, Brest cancer because of not lactating, and lung cancer because of the much higher percentage of lesbians that smoke. why things are this way is questionable as well, but the facts are still there.

What "sexual activity" are we talking about? I hope you aren't talking about oral sex... A lot (most?) of heterosexual couples practice oral sex.

But then what are you talking about when you say "sexual activity"?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: sandorski
LMK: When you understand what the word "ethical" means, then you can use it.

you just want to talk over this:

as for a more detailed account of what makes homosexual sex ethical bankrupt, thus not something that should have a government stamp-of-approval on it:

o male/male penetration causes increased likelihood of anal infections w/ a reduced immune system.
o The act of any homosexual sexual activity is destructive to emotional well-being.
o female/female sexual activity increases likelihood of many forms of cancer.
o disregarding basic sexual morality increases pre-marital sex rates.
o the average lesbian life style causes a higher substance abuse problem than average.
o the average homosexual life style causes more std problems than the heterosexual counter-part.
o the average homosexual lifestyle leads to a much-decreased ability to fight aids.

Gay and Lesbian medical Association in a press release issued through Gay Wired on

June 10, 2002:
o Men having sex with men are at increased risk of HIV infection, a fact that is "well known." Also, the last few years have seen the return of many unsafe sex practices.
o Homosexual men use substances at a higher rate than the general population. This includes amyl nitrate (poppers), marijuana, Ecstasy and amphetamines.
o Depress and anxiety effect homosexuals at a higher rate than the general population.
o Men having sex with men are at an increased risk of sexually transmitted infection with the viruses that cause the serious condition of the liver known as hepatitis, which can lead to cirrhosis and liver cancer.
o Sexually transmitted diseases occur in sexually active homosexuals at a high rate. This includes STD infections for which treatment is available (syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, pub lic lice) and those for which there is
no cure (HIV, Hepatitis A, B, or C virus, Human Papilloma Virus).
o Homosexual men are at risk for death by prostate, testicular or colon cancer.
o Homosexual men have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than heterosexual men.
o Homosexual men use tobacco at much higher rates than heterosexual men, reaching nearly 50 percent in some studies. Tobacco-related health problems include lung disease, lung cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and a host of other serious problems.
o Homosexual men are more likely to experience and eating disorder such as bulimia or anorexia nervous, and overweight and obesity affect a large subset of the homosexual community.
o Homosexual men are at risk for human papilloma virus, which causes anal and genital warts, and plays a role in increased rates of anal cancers.



Support also can be found in these sights:
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/youth/tremblay/1930_95.html
http://www.fsw.ucalgary.ca/ramsay/homosexuality-suicide/Conference/f3.htm
http://www.hhpub.com/journals/crisis/1997/abstv18i1.html
http://idsc.nih.go.jp/iasr/24/278/tpc278.html
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/bc/condom.htm
http://www.nature.com/bjc/press_releases/press_release_38.html
http://www.aegis.com/news/bw/1996/bw960729.html


we discriminate to now allow a government stamp-of-approval for all sorts of unethical behavior, from public intoxication to j-walking and so on; this unethical behavior is just like any other that society has every right to have it's elected representatives determine isn't one that should be government-approved.

otherwise you would have said something of relevance.

Others have already shown that using your arguement can be used to condemn Heterosexuals, Races, and many other groups. Your opposition to Homosexual Marriage is thinly veiled opposition to Homosexuality, nothing more. It has nothing to do with Marriage, since Marriage would negate most of the examples you have provided as reasons to reject the idea.

Let's cut to the chase, you would rather Illegalize Homosexuality before Legalizing Homosexual Marriage. Unfortunetly that avenue is not available to you, so you respond to just making life as difficult for Homosexuals as you can.

 

[Moonbeam]

Round and round the bigot pole we go dancing merrily.

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Originally posted by: rbV5

Because marriage is a union honored by the government and many other institutions (joint taxes, insurance coverage, end of life issues in medicine) a decision like this has many other implications beyond how it fits into an ethical system. I don't think I have decided for myself yet...

The reasons you give are the reasons. Those are exactly the implications that create the inequality in the first place. Those basic rights should belong to all of us, or none of us.

sounds like a bunch of people who don't want to force expenditures for their unethical behavior on employers.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE BACK TO YOUR BIGOTED UNSUBSTANTIATED UNETHICAL CLAIMS. HOMOSEXUAL SEX IS NOT UNETHICAL.

ethics has nothing or very little to do with that stupid book around which you base you entire, pathetic existence.

I'm sorry you have to be so angry; fact is I'm not making a biblical argument, as the bible says nothing about allowing homosexuals to be viewed by the state as "married".

how can you justify the "taking" of basic rights, and at the same time satisfy the constitution of the Untied States

marriage is licensed by the state; no of age un-married man is precluded from marrying an of-age unmarried woman. So exactly what part of that is preclusion from privileges and what isn't?

i submit that homosexual sex is unethical, as per what was said earlier:

NOTHING WAS SAID EARLIER. YOUR CLAIM IS AN UNSUBSTANTIATED LIE THAT APPEARS TO YOU TO BE TRUE BECAUSE YOU ARE A BIGOT AND ALREADY BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE. HOMOSEXUAL SEX IS NOT UNETHICAL. YOU BECOME AN UNETHICAL LIAR BY MAINTAINING THAT IT IS AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWN THAT YOUR THINKING IS DEFECTIVE.

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

Allow? So we need a "stamp of approval" from big brother to "allow" consensual sex

people can do anything they want with themselves or others that want it, having the government say it's a good thing is completely different.

My basis of what is and isn't sexually moral is traditional, you can insult the traditional view of sexual morality all you like, but it doesn't mean you have any thing to offer that's better; it just means you've got a "it's wrong BECAUSE it's traditional" view.
as for a more detailed account of what makes homosexual sex ethical bankrupt, thus not something that should have a government stamp-of-approval on it:

YOUR TRADITIONAL VIEW IS HORSE SH1T, AND COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL. YOU OFFER NOT ONE OUNCE OF REASON WHY ANYBODY SHOULD PAY THE SLIGHTEST ATTENTION TO IT. CHIMPANZEES HAVE A MORE ORIGINAL FORM OF CULTURE AND THEY PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY JUST FINE.

1.) male/male penetration causes increased likelihood of anal infections w/ a reduced immune system.

How does that cause a reduced immune system?

the rectally ruptured tissues allow feces into the blood; constant need to repair and fight these infections leads to a weakened immune system.

2.)The act of any homosexual sexual activity is destructive to emotional well-being.

Maybe if one of the partners was not gay

It is questionable as to why this is true, but suicide rates among gays is much higher.

3.)female/female sexual activity increases likelihood of many forms of cancer.

How so?

cervical cancer is higher because of the sexual activity, Brest cancer because of not lactating, and lung cancer because of the much higher percentage of lesbians that smoke. why things are this way is questionable as well, but the facts are still there.

4.)disregarding basic sexual morality increases pre-marital sex rates.

and this is a problem?

some don't think so, but it's my view that pre-marital sex is why we have such high levels of STDs and teen pregnancy.

5.)the average lesbian life style causes a higher substance abuse problem than average

so does living in poverty. Should we outlaw that too?

no, but it's a good idea to do what we can to discourage, rather than encourage *put a government stamp-of-approval*, such things;

6.)the average homosexual life style causes more std problems than the heterosexual counter-part.

Unprotected sex cause that and Studs is also rampant in Hetrosexuals,

this is true, but because of the homosexual rupturing and bleeding aids and other blood-born illnesses' transference is 4times more likely in gay sex. But then the likelihood of lesbian transference is the same if not lower.

7.)the average homosexual lifestyle leads to a much-decreased ability to fight aids.

Well so does having heterosexual sex in Africa

The governments of africa are discouraging non-monogamous sex there as well. Overall this is a culmination of the transferability of aids and the weakened immune system from homosexual sex.

YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS GARBAGE AS IF IT HAD ANY MEANING RELATED TO THE TOPIC AT HAND. YOU DON'T LIKE HOMOSEXUALITY, YOU ARE A HOMOPHOBE. SOME WOMEN WILL DIE IF EXPOSED TO SPERM. NO WOMEN SHOULD EVER MARRY. THIS IS JUST HOW NUTS YOU ARE. SEXUAL RISKS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER PEOPLE CAN GET MARRIED. SEXUAL RISK IS A MEDICAL ISSUE. HOW DID JESUS TREAT DISEASED PROSTITUTES, LIKE YOU WANT TO TREAT GAYS? YOU ARE A BIGOT WANTING TO CONFLATE SEXUAL RISK WITH PEOPLE WHO PRACTICE SEX.

you can disagree with these things being negative, but you'd better have an ethical basis for that view, otherwise your just ignorantly spouting off like so many others who's only reason for disagreeing is that they like to disagree.

Right now it's those who voted 'yes' that have any rightfully argument, as it's clear they disagree because they don't belive that any sort of consensual sex is an ethical issue.

that's good, and a utilitarian view on how to go at this is a very respectable one. Whatever informed conclusion you come to will be a respectable one... now to get other people on both sides to come to an informed conclusion instead of yelling "HOMOPHOBE" and "FAGOT".

Gay and Lesbian medical Association in a press release issued through Gay Wired on

June 10, 2002:
o Men having sex with men are at increased risk of HIV infection, a fact that is "well known." Also, the last few years have seen the return of many unsafe sex practices.
o Homosexual men use substances at a higher rate than the general population. This includes amyl nitrate (poppers), marijuana, Ecstasy and amphetamines.
o Depress and anxiety effect homosexuals at a higher rate than the general population.
o Men having sex with men are at an increased risk of sexually transmitted infection with the viruses that cause the serious condition of the liver known as hepatitis, which can lead to cirrhosis and liver cancer.
o Sexually transmitted diseases occur in sexually active homosexuals at a high rate. This includes STD infections for which treatment is available (syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, pub lic lice) and those for which there is
no cure (HIV, Hepatitis A, B, or C virus, Human Papilloma Virus).
o Homosexual men are at risk for death by prostate, testicular or colon cancer.
o Homosexual men have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than heterosexual men.
o Homosexual men use tobacco at much higher rates than heterosexual men, reaching nearly 50 percent in some studies. Tobacco-related health problems include lung disease, lung cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and a host of other serious problems.
o Homosexual men are more likely to experience and eating disorder such as bulimia or anorexia nervous, and overweight and obesity affect a large subset of the homosexual community.
o Homosexual men are at risk for human papilloma virus, which causes anal and genital warts, and plays a role in increased rates of anal cancers.



Support also can be found in these sights:
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/youth/tremblay/1930_95.html
http://www.fsw.ucalgary.ca/ramsay/homosexuality-suicide/Conference/f3.htm
http://www.hhpub.com/journals/crisis/1997/abstv18i1.html
http://idsc.nih.go.jp/iasr/24/278/tpc278.html
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/bc/condom.htm
http://www.nature.com/bjc/press_releases/press_release_38.html
http://www.aegis.com/news/bw/1996/bw960729.html

WE KNOW YOUR BIGOT TRICK. THERE'S RISK TO HAVING SEX SO NOBODY SHOULD GET MARRIED. IS IT OK FOR TWO MEN OR TWO WOMEN TO MARRY IF THEY WON'T BE HAVING SEX? YOU WOULDN'T WANT THAT, SO YOU CAN SEE THE RELEVANCE OF YOUR ARGUMENT.

When Wish Replaces Thought: Why So Much of What You Believe is False. Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books. 1994.Correlates of same-sex sexual behavior in a random sample of Massachusettshigh school students. American Journal of Public Health 88 (2): 262-66,1998;Hershberger, Scott L., & Pilkington, Neil W. Predictors of suicide attempts among gay, lesbian and bisexual youth. Journal of AdolescentResearch 12 (4):477-97, 1997; Jordan, Karen M., Vaughan, Jill S., &Woodworth, Katharine J. I Will Survive: Lesbian, Gay and BisexualYouths Experience of High School. Journal of Gay and Lesbian SocialServices 7, 4, 17-33, 1997; Schaffer, David & Fisher, Prudence. SexualOrientation in Adolescents Who Commit Suicide. Suicide and LifeThreatening Behavior 25, supplement, 64-71, 1995; Proctor, Curtis D. &Groze, Victor K. Ã????????Risk factors for suicide among gay, lesbian and bisexualyouths. Social Work 39 (5): 504-13, 1994; Rotheram, Borus & Mary J., et al. Suicide Behavior and Gay-Related Stress Among Gay and Bisexual MaleAdolescents. Journal of Adolescent Research v9 n 4 p498-508 October1994.)

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YUP, WE KNOW, GAYS ARE BAD BAD BAD. THEY HAVE SEX. SEX CAN HAVE RISKS. STRAIGHTS HAVE RISKY SEX. THEY SHOULDN'T MARRY EITHER.

as such shouldn't be given the government stamp of approval that is a marriage license.

ALL THIS TELLS US IS THAT YOU DISAPPROVE OF GAY MARRIAGE. BUT YOU DISAPPROVE FOR BIGOTED REASONS. YOUR WHOLE THINKING IS PERMEATED BY YOUR HOMOPHOBIA. YOU ARE BLIND TO YOUR HOMOPHOBIA SO YOU MAINTAIN STRAIGHT FACED YOU AREN'T HOMOPHOBIC AND THEN IN EVERYTHING YOU TYPE YOU REVEAL THE LIE. THE STATE ISN'T APPROVING OF ANYTHING IT SAYS IS LEGAL. IT IS SIMPLY LEGAL NOT ENCOURAGED. TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN APPROVAL AND LEGAL. ONE IS PROACTIVE AND ONE IS NEUTRAL. DISAPPROVAL IS ALSO PROACTIVE. YOU ARE AN ACTIVIST BIGOT. THAT MAKES YOUR MENTAL STATE DANGEROUS TO A SECULAR SOCIETY.

we discriminate to now allow a government stamp-of-approval for all sorts of unethical behavior, from public intoxication to j-walking and so on; this unethical behavior is just like any other that society has every right to have it's elected representatives determine isn't one that should be government-approved.

HEHE. WE DISCRIMINATE TO FUNCTION IN AN ORDERLY FASHION SO SOCIETY CAN FUNCTION SMOOTHLY AND PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AREN'T VIOLATED. THERE IS NOTHING UNETHICAL ABOUT DRINKING. IT IS NOT UNETHICAL TO J-WALK OR DRINK. THERE IS NOTHING INTRINSICALLY UNETHICAL ABOUT J-WALKING BUT IT'S LOGICALLY INEFFICIENT. WE COULD, HOWEVER JUST AS ETHICALLY PAINT CROSSWALKS IN AN X INSTEAD OF A BOX. AT HOME YOU CAN DRINK YOURSELF TO DEATH. YOU SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO GAY F YOURSELF TO DEATH WITH YOUR SAME SEX MARRIED PARTNER IF YOU WANT. IF STRAIGHTS ARE ALLOWED TO, WHY NOT GAYS. THE ONLY ANSWER IS BIGOTRY. SOME SEX IS NASTY AND SOME SEX IS GOOD IN YOUR EYES JUST BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU FEEL. ALL THE REST IS JUST POOP AND LIES.

YOU, SIR, ARE A BIGOT WHO VALUES HIS OWN BIGOTED OPINION OVER THE FREEDOM OF OTHER PEOPLE. AND YOU DO IT BY SELF DECEPTION.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot,

Wow - now I feel better.

CkG

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot,

Wow - now I feel better.

CkG

Which side were you talking to?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot,

Wow - now I feel better.

CkG

Which side were you talking to?

I'm not talking to a "side"

CkG

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot,

Wow - now I feel better.

CkG

lol, looks strikingly similar to a moonbeam post.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot, Bigot,

Wow - now I feel better.

CkG

No you don't. You feel like sh!t, otherwise you wouldn't try to score points pretending all I got is a repetition of name. You are bigots because you stuffed full of your irrational opinion and want at the same time to maintain the fiction that you are sane. You are not. You have a terrible mental disease which you will try to pass to your children doubtless as you yammer on about personal responsibility. How do you expect to be responsible for anything when you don't even see, much less do anything about, your own bigotry.

But isn't it wonderful that you think you feel better.

 

[rbV5]

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Because marriage is a union honored by the government and many other institutions (joint taxes, insurance coverage, end of life issues in medicine) a decision like this has many other implications beyond how it fits into an ethical system. I don't think I have decided for myself yet...
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The reasons you give are the reasons. Those are exactly the implications that create the inequality in the first place. Those basic rights should belong to all of us, or none of us.
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sounds like a bunch of people who don't want to force expenditures for their unethical behavior on employers.

Actually same sex unmarried partners health benefits are already covered by many employers including mine. It in itself creates an inequality in that they can be covered without the bond of marriage, while those same benefits are not available to opposite sex unmarried partners, you MUST be married to be covered if you are a heterosexual couple.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

as for a more detailed account of what makes homosexual sex ethical bankrupt, thus not something that should have a government stamp-of-approval on it:

o male/male penetration causes increased likelihood of anal infections w/ a reduced immune system.
o The act of any homosexual sexual activity is destructive to emotional well-being.
o female/female sexual activity increases likelihood of many forms of cancer.
o disregarding basic sexual morality increases pre-marital sex rates.
o the average lesbian life style causes a higher substance abuse problem than average.
o the average homosexual life style causes more std problems than the heterosexual counter-part.
o the average homosexual lifestyle leads to a much-decreased ability to fight aids.

Gay and Lesbian medical Association in a press release issued through Gay Wired on

June 10, 2002:
o Men having sex with men are at increased risk of HIV infection, a fact that is "well known." Also, the last few years have seen the return of many unsafe sex practices.
o Homosexual men use substances at a higher rate than the general population. This includes amyl nitrate (poppers), marijuana, Ecstasy and amphetamines.
o Depress and anxiety effect homosexuals at a higher rate than the general population.
o Men having sex with men are at an increased risk of sexually transmitted infection with the viruses that cause the serious condition of the liver known as hepatitis, which can lead to cirrhosis and liver cancer.
o Sexually transmitted diseases occur in sexually active homosexuals at a high rate. This includes STD infections for which treatment is available (syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia, pub lic lice) and those for which there is
no cure (HIV, Hepatitis A, B, or C virus, Human Papilloma Virus).
o Homosexual men are at risk for death by prostate, testicular or colon cancer.
o Homosexual men have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than heterosexual men.
o Homosexual men use tobacco at much higher rates than heterosexual men, reaching nearly 50 percent in some studies. Tobacco-related health problems include lung disease, lung cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure and a host of other serious problems.
o Homosexual men are more likely to experience and eating disorder such as bulimia or anorexia nervous, and overweight and obesity affect a large subset of the homosexual community.
o Homosexual men are at risk for human papilloma virus, which causes anal and genital warts, and plays a role in increased rates of anal cancers.



Support also can be found in these sights:
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/www/youth/tremblay/1930_95.html
http://www.fsw.ucalgary.ca/ramsay/homosexuality-suicide/Conference/f3.htm
http://www.hhpub.com/journals/crisis/1997/abstv18i1.html
http://idsc.nih.go.jp/iasr/24/278/tpc278.html
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/library/
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/bc/condom.htm
http://www.nature.com/bjc/press_releases/press_release_38.html
http://www.aegis.com/news/bw/1996/bw960729.html


we discriminate to now allow a government stamp-of-approval for all sorts of unethical behavior, from public intoxication to j-walking and so on; this unethical behavior is just like any other that society has every right to have it's elected representatives determine isn't one that should be government-approved.

We have laws that require establishments not to serve people who are drunk, and we aren't about to create a government stamp-of-approval for alcoholism; we don't pass laws to put a government stamp-of-approval on drunkenness, and we don't put a government stamp-of-approval on homosexual sex. I put forth that a government stamp of approval for many sorts of 'personal' self-destructive behavior is not what we as society should do.

It's not bigoted to call homosexual sex self-destructive, as I've shown you many respectable sources that say as much.

You are welcome to disagree, dispute the facts of the situation, but calling me a bigot doesn't make you right, it just means you have a weak argument that requires you attack me as a person instead of what I'm saying: that is to say you have nothing intelligent on the situation to say at all.

I'm sorry that you can't rise to the level of red or AEnigma who both put forth respectable reasons why they disagree; allowing us to both submit to the point that we've got honest differences of opinion.

 

[EXman]

lol, looks strikingly similar to a moonbeam post.

See Moonie the word Bigot is used and people think of YOU!

 

[rbV5]

We have laws that require establishments not to serve people who are drunk, and we aren't about to create a government stamp-of-approval for alcoholism; we don't pass laws to put a government stamp-of-approval on drunkenness, and we don't put a government stamp-of-approval on homosexual sex. I put forth that a government stamp of approval for many sorts of 'personal' self-destructive behavior is not what we as society should do.

"The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the court's majority. "The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime."

Ever hear of the Supreme Court?

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: datalink7

3.)female/female sexual activity increases likelihood of many forms of cancer.

cervical cancer is higher because of the sexual activity, Brest cancer because of not lactating, and lung cancer because of the much higher percentage of lesbians that smoke. why things are this way is questionable as well, but the facts are still there.

What "sexual activity" are we talking about? I hope you aren't talking about oral sex... A lot (most?) of heterosexual couples practice oral sex.

But then what are you talking about when you say "sexual activity"?

I'd still like to know what "sexual activity" you are refering to LMK.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

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ONE post i'm seting aside not quoted above:

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
..hate bigots ...bigotry. ... hated ... bigot ... bigotry .. bigotry... bigoted, bigot hater ... bigotry.

*called on falsely accusing those against homosexual marriage of 'hate' toward homosexuals.
** ware he flew off the handle because the facts support the case for homosexual sex as socially destructive.

I'd still like to know what "sexual activity" you are refering to LMK.

I've not full knowledge of what lesbians do. I'm sure if you look up higher cervical cancer rates in lesbians you'll find some information on theory's as to what exactly causes it.

"The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the court's majority. "The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime."

but we don't put a government stamp-of-approval on private unethical sexual conduct;