I think ATI will win this match

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: vshah

Originally posted by: Rollo
You are all wrong. The S3 Delta Zinc will be the card to have in 2004.

What a joke.

Yeah, "incremental increase" - the increment is 50% in some benches.

Since your "opinions" have no basis in fact whatsoever, you'll pardon me if I join everyone else in saying, "This thread is pointless. You have no facts. We don't care what you guess will happen."

hehe delta zinc

the funniest jokes come out during the biggest arguments and most pointless threads.

-Vivan

There's a prototype "Delta Tin" (Codename:Mullet) in the works too, Vshah. It's said to support scratch n' sniff.

The engineers are said to be 80s era Motley Crue fans who drive Camaros.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: vshah

Originally posted by: Rollo
You are all wrong. The S3 Delta Zinc will be the card to have in 2004.

What a joke.

Yeah, "incremental increase" - the increment is 50% in some benches.

Since your "opinions" have no basis in fact whatsoever, you'll pardon me if I join everyone else in saying, "This thread is pointless. You have no facts. We don't care what you guess will happen."

hehe delta zinc

the funniest jokes come out during the biggest arguments and most pointless threads.

-Vivan

There's a prototype "Delta Tin" (Codename:Mullet) in the works too, Vshah. It's said to support scratch n' sniff.

The engineers are said to be 80s era Motley Crue fans who drive Camaros.

Hey hey hey!!! I liked Motley Crue, and this is one of my cars!!!

Does this mean I can join their design team? LOL :beer:

 

[BFG10K]

I think it'll be very close but needless to say, nVidia have set ATi a very lofty goal to reach/exceed.

 

[Corporate Thug]

OMG, OP has an hunch ATi will win!!! why dont you just put offical and confirmed in the title

 

[touchmyichi]

If Ati delays, then we can assume nvidia beat what they have made. If they don't then we can assume it will either compete closely or beat nvidia.

 

[CaiNaM]

ati won't delay either way - they can't afford to just "miss" and entire cycle... delaying the product would do much more damage to their image than having a slightly slower card... and of course they can't simply "design" a better chip,;these things start years in advance.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM
ati won't delay either way - they can't afford to just "miss" and entire cycle... delaying the product would do much more damage to their image than having a slightly slower card... and of course they can't simply "design" a better chip,;these things start years in advance.

exactly

 

[mhayenga]

Weren't the early rumors out that developers/people in the know, thought the 6800 beat ATIs offering, but it wasnt by too large of an amount?

So in the end, I expect them to be close enough for the fanbois of days old to have another year of bickering, bitching and moaning... That is the one thing you can count on.

 

[gunblade]

In fact, if it is a close match, the area where nv40 will most likely win is when stencil shadow is heavily used. So, Doom 3 should be the area where nv40 has an advantages on.

 

[gunblade]

This card, as shown numerous time if you did read and understand, is very CPU and bandwidth limited. The extremely high clockrate card that you expected will not likely do much good to it as of now, but only to higher up the power requirement and heat.

Ati next gen card X800 will also be bandwidth limited too. So, whoever can get the higher speed grade memory supply will be able to outdo the competition.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: mhayenga
Weren't the early rumors out that developers/people in the know, thought the 6800 beat ATIs offering, but it wasnt by too large of an amount?

So in the end, I expect them to be close enough for the fanbois of days old to have another year of bickering, bitching and moaning... That is the one thing you can count on.

But no one knows which ATi card they beat (ie X800Pro or X800 XT), and there will probably be a fairly large performance delta between the two (maybe 20%, due to lower core/mem clocks and fewer pipelines.)

 

[Shamrock]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Its just a hunch feeling i have , they will blow Nvidia

i always thought the guy getting blown was the "winner".. but hey, if you prefer "blowing"... it's your call i suppose....

LOL!!!! :beer:

 

[nemesismk2]

I think you will find that PowerVR Series 5 will crush ATI and Nvidia. It will also be much cheaper because obviously it doesn't need expensive high performance memory!

 

[nRollo]

Hey hey hey!!! I liked Motley Crue, and this is one of my cars!!!

Does this mean I can join their design team? LOL :beer:

Hmmm. We had no Motley Crew "back in the day" but this was my car in my senior year of high school:

teh roxor 74 Camaro

and we had Aerosmith when they were still men! (albeit junkie men)

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Dude- what about :

teh roxor

LOL- I had one of those. Half the time my desktop would be missing pieces.

Suckage. That card was great for UT and Q3, but had serious issues with every other game, Windows desktop, and even the friggin boot screen! Talk about "optomised"!

 

[Gagabiji]

Well, I was rather dissapointed with the 6800 benches...

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: SirDude
Well, I was rather dissapointed with the 6800 benches...

As was I. Nvidia peaked with the 56 Chevy of all video cards- the GeForce2 Ultra... Add a crystal orb and you've got something for your mantle place... my 9800 is the last AGP card I'll buy. I can't believe anyone would even think of buying these cards with BTX only archetectures less than 12 months away...

Mabye get an audigy 2 since PCI will be "phased out," but PS'es, agp, ram, mobos, cases... you're exponentially accelerating your depreciation buying so close to the industry's biggest revolution since ATX...

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: SirDude
Well, I was rather dissapointed with the 6800 benches...

As was I. Nvidia peaked with the 56 Chevy of all video cards- the GeForce2 Ultra... Add a crystal orb and you've got something for your mantle place... my 9800 is the last AGP card I'll buy. I can't believe anyone would even think of buying these cards with BTX only archetectures less than 12 months away...

Mabye get an audigy 2 since PCI will be "phased out," but PS'es, agp, ram, mobos, cases... you're exponentially accelerating your depreciation buying so close to the industry's biggest revolution since ATX...

So you are saying ppl like me who have been waiting to upgrade a videocard should drop everything wait another 12 months scrap my whole system and get a brand new cpu, mobo, power supply, case and a PCI-Express videocard when BTX arrives?

oooooooookkkkkk....

It all depends on how often you upgrade. I understand how some ppl would upgrade a cpu on the same motherboard. But not everyone upgrades every 6-12 months. Personally I upgrade when cpu speed doubles so it would make no difference because in 18 + months when it does chances are A64 will reach the end of its life almost. I tend to find that every major upgrade I have to buy a new motherboard along with a cpu so buying an upgradabe motherboard is a moot point for me. Of course not for everyone.

As for other parts, there is no need to sit and wait for all these features like DDRII, btx and so on to come and not experience good gaming or whatever it is. In 12 months the fastest card will still be a derivative of a 6800ultra, x800xt so someone who has a 3.0+ghz cpu and a 6800/x800 derivative today will not be that much slower than you even with your 4.0ghz cpu and all that new "architecture" you speak of. So I personally see a clear point in buying fast cards right now because the whole system will be able to last for 2 years or more and then you can uprade to SATA300, btx, ddrII at lower prices, and when all the bugs have been worked out and smack a brand new R500 or NV50 while you are at it.

 

[cm123]

You just wait and see Matrox new release... I bet they blow both ATI & Nvidia away...

I guess we'll see very soon now...

 

[smahoney]

Both the NVidia and ATI cards are going to be CPU and bandwidth limited - then again, how many people here are going to buy a $500 video card if they are not already running OC processors that are faster than a stock P4 EE or Athlon FX chip?

Fact is that if there is a game that runs slow on my system that I want to play - I will upgrade till it runs fast enough for me.

Anyone not think that all those developer's that are NVidia partner's aren't tuning the next gen games for the new features?

My next upgrades will be a new video card, a little more memory and an LCD that will run 1600x1200.

ATI faster? - I don't think so this round.
ATI more stable - not in my experience. Not compared to TNT, GeForce DDR, 4600. My 9700PRO is nice but not as stable as my older NVidia cards - or even my old Diamond Stealth

 

[PCTweaker5]

Originally posted by: Genx87
In some I saw 100% increase.

Im still not as pleased as I thought I would be with the results and I too feel that ATI might win this one.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: smahoney
Both the NVidia and ATI cards are going to be CPU and bandwidth limited - then again, how many people here are going to buy a $500 video card if they are not already running OC processors that are faster than a stock P4 EE or Athlon FX chip?

Fact is that if there is a game that runs slow on my system that I want to play - I will upgrade till it runs fast enough for me.

Anyone not think that all those developer's that are NVidia partner's aren't tuning the next gen games for the new features?

My next upgrades will be a new video card, a little more memory and an LCD that will run 1600x1200.

ATI faster? - I don't think so this round.
ATI more stable - not in my experience. Not compared to TNT, GeForce DDR, 4600. My 9700PRO is nice but not as stable as my older NVidia cards - or even my old Diamond Stealth

Well, you can count me in. I never owned the top of the line current card. Always second best. So I will buy the 6800U or the X800XTwhen they become available. Whichever one is better.
And I dont think CPU limitation is a reason not to buy one. New CPUs are always coming out so its only a small matter of time before CPU's catch up with the NV40U. I know 500.00 is a lot to pay for any card. But we only live once and I happen to have the money stashed away. So be it.
I will probably also need to pick up a nice PSU. Got that covered to.

 

[Abhi]

Originally posted by: Viper96720
Intel Extreme Graphics owns all

Yeah... they recently got a 5000 in 3dmark..............................01.

 

[Alkali]

Originally posted by: cm123

You just wait and see Matrox new release... I bet they blow both ATI & Nvidia away...

I guess we'll see very soon now...

I have heard conflicting reports about this, because on one hand 'officially' Matrox say they arent interested in the 3D race anymore.... However, I read on a website recently that they are developing a quad monitor 512MB evolution of the Parhelia with major core clock and memory clock speed increases.... So I dont know.

I sure hope - I bought a Matrox G400 MAX when it first arrived - I even got it specially imported from Canada to the UK - paid £250 back when graphics cards were only like £125 max (except for the voodoo 5 6000's of course ) - Never used a better 2D card than my G400 MAX Its still unrivaled in 2D.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: smahoney
Both the NVidia and ATI cards are going to be CPU and bandwidth limited

ATI faster? - I don't think so this round.

ATI more stable - not in my experience. Not compared to TNT, GeForce DDR, 4600. My 9700PRO is nice but not as stable as my older NVidia cards - or even my old Diamond Stealth

1. NV40 and R420 are not cpu limited at 1600x1200 4AA/16AF and you would be nuts not to play at those settings if you get yourself one of these babies. Cpu limitation is a factor prior to these settings in a lot of older games.

But Far Cry, Halo and other shader intensive games are not affected by Cpu speed as much so for those games (and that is how the future games will be) GPU speed will not be throttled back due to a 3.2ghz p4. These games already stress even the newer card enough so in 1 year trust me they wont be help back by a 3.0ghz processor even if you do not upgrade the cpu.

2. ATI isn't gonna be faster? well you might be right by based on the assumptions revolving around its clock speeds it appears to be faster on paper even with its old architecture. 600/1200 16 pipes vs. 400/1100 nv hmmm....

3. well if stability is a factor for u then who cares even if ATI cards are faster it seems like you already have made up your mind. If you find nvidia products more stable then it seems it shouldnt be a factor how fast ATI cards get.