I think Biden is toast in a general election because..

[VRAMdemon]

Biden has a history of awkward touchy feely antics, but anyone that thinks Biden was "groping" that little girl in a sexual manner is a seriously flawed individual.

 

[pmv]

Stop that. You're deliberately deluding yourself.

He said there are fine people on both sides of the debate about keeping or taking-down a statue that some believe to be historically significant. He was extremely clear about that.

Shame on you.

Your recall of events does not accord with mine - which is more in line with the article Jhhn linked to. I won't cast shame right back at you, but I am puzzled why your memory is such that you want to defend the narcissist-in-chief (as I don't think you are one of the hard-line Trumpites here).

Incidentally, I would question whether a genuinely 'fine person' would even want to defend those statues, given the reasons why they were put up in the first place.

 

[pmv]

So, wait, he was pointing out the fact that even in the face of these un-apologetically racist shitbags, he was still able to interface with them and get stuff done, but this is baggage on Biden? Am I misreading this?

Seems a bit of a mis-step to invoke those guys at this point in history. Not to mention doing so in conjunction with 'civility', Makes it sound as if 'civility' is a purely one-way-street. You be polite and respectful to them, they continue to call for the extermination of those you are supposed to be representing?

Plus it's just reminding everyone how appalling some Democrats have historically been. Biden's too old and conservative. That's a bad combination, worse than either on their own, even (Bernie's too old, some of the others seem rather conservative, but each trait in isolation is not quite so bad...being both at once just brings up the sort of thing that Biden just reminded everyone of).

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Seems a bit of a mis-step to invoke those guys at this point in history. Not to mention doing so in conjunction with 'civility', Makes it sound as if 'civility' is a purely one-way-street. You be polite and respectful to them, they continue to call for the extermination of those you are supposed to be representing?

Plus it's just reminding everyone how appalling some Democrats have historically been. Biden's too old and conservative. That's a bad combination, worse than either on their own, even (Bernie's too old, some of the others seem rather conservative, but each trait in isolation is not quite so bad...being both at once just brings up the sort of thing that Biden just reminded everyone of).

I mean, maybe that's true. It just seemed weird for this to be the hill that he died on, 'working with the other side of the aisle rather than deciding they should just diaf' isn't exactly the worst direction a leader could go, unless we've decided to abandon the notion of working together and have progressed entirely to tribalism. I know we've been on the edge for a while, was just hoping it could nudge back a little, at least long enough for us to die off from climate change.

As far as too old, I mean, they all are. IMO there shouldn't be a single rep that would be in office past retirement age, but then I'm not in to being told what to do by someone with one foot into senility.

 

[Jhhnn]

Your recall of events does not accord with mine - which is more in line with the article Jhhn linked to. I won't cast shame right back at you, but I am puzzled why your memory is such that you want to defend the narcissist-in-chief (as I don't think you are one of the hard-line Trumpites here).

Incidentally, I would question whether a genuinely 'fine person' would even want to defend those statues, given the reasons why they were put up in the first place.

Because he got chumped by Trump, the world's greatest con artist.

 

[Commodus]

I dont see you renouncing support for Biden. Whats that say about you?

It says that there's a distinction between being overly handsy in a non-sexual way and committing sexual assault, and that I'm inclined to believe people who make sincere apologies for past behavior instead of making excuses (like Trump's "locker room talk" lie).

Imagine that, having a nuanced position based on differing circumstances and assessments of character. You should try it sometime.

 

[Luna1968]

Pointing out your hypocrisy doesn't say anything about anyone's support of the conduct.

Aren't you also an Alex Jones fan? Lol, fuck off troll.

what a disgusting apologist. shame on you for defending a child fondling creep.

 

[ivwshane]

what a disgusting apologist. shame on you for defending a child fondling creep.

Oh I'm sure you can point to the exact post where I did that. Right? You aren't a piece of shit liar are you?

Yeah, of course you are.

 

[UNCjigga]

what a disgusting apologist. shame on you for defending a child fondling creep.

Meanwhile, Roy Moore just filed his papers to run again for an Alabama senate seat!

 

[Moonbeam]

Facetiousness/sarcasm is hard to translate in posts I guess. that is somethingI tend to forget.
but given the kind of less than civil tone in the last few exchanges an observer might see it. /shrug

*e2a*
If Biden takes the nomination to run in the 2020 general that will just mean as in 2016 I'll have a handle of liquor waiting for me when "Voting Day" is over to help me deal with the realization that we didn't get the best choice to go against Trump... again.

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OK, but there are no perfect candidates nor perfect voters who actually know who the best choice is, especially in a field as rich as the one fielded this year by Democrats. For all I know it might be Creepy Biden, with his creepiness referring to actually inappropriate behavior.

What there is is people who believe their opinions represent reality. So my opinion is not to pay too much attention to other people’s certainty Including my own. The last and I think first time I physically expressed a sexually reaction to a female, one that was clearly made known was rejected, I was maybe 10. It caused me to feel ashamed of my arrogance and cured me of that behavior.

The bottom line for me then is that while I find the expression listed by women in Biden’s history disturbing, I can’t be sure he himself was consciously taking liberties from a power position. At 78, is it, in a long political life, he must have reacted to a lot of women, all with their own ideas of what is appropriate behavior. Not saying he’s not guilty or that he is, only that I don’t really know.

Trump, on the other hand, is a very well known pig.

 

[kage69]

The more I hear from Biden the more I wonder how the hell he was Obama's running mate.

Biden was chosen for his ultimate insider status on the hill. Before the Grim Turtle ordained outright obstruction at any and every turn, Biden was very active with republicans and was involved in a lot of unofficial bipartisan debate behind the scenes. It's why he made total sense for VP for someone like Obama, he had lengthy experience working the ropes of Congress.

Even though I like Joe Biden, agree with him often, I don't think the answer to Trump is another really old white guy with a record of failed runs under his belt. Some of his more recent statements make me wonder if he's getting enough oxygen upstairs, he might not be far away from being another Grassley or Ross. I'm starting to question if Biden is the safe bet he's being sold as, and let's face it, how great would it be to see Trump lose to a woman?

Can you imagine Trump on a debate stage with Elizabeth Warren? An intellectual policy pro vs. tweedle dipshit, the functionally illiterate stable genius with a 4 second attention span. Yikes. It'd be like a Gallagher show, DNC will have to hand out umbrellas and ponchos to the front row seats. Orange bullshit everywhere.

 

[kage69]

Meanwhile, Roy Moore just filed his papers to run again for an Alabama senate seat!

Judge Purity is back, and convinced Alabama's reputation wasn't abused enough.

I almost hope he wins, because that place sucks and they deserve each other.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Democrat best moves:
Biden for sane centrists. He may be overall dumb - but he has the rust belt and working class vote
Buttigieg for sane far lefties. He goes hard left - but remains rational instead of stupid

Democrat worst moves:
Warren "Pocahontas" is a straight shot loss. She has no gall to compete with Trump. She can dish out all the policy plans she wants, Trump would crush her. I just imagine her saying "Mr. Trump, you're a big fat doo-doo-head!"
Any other stupid ones O'Rourke, Booker, Gillibrand, Harris, etc...

 

[Indus]

what a disgusting apologist. shame on you for defending a child fondling creep.

The only apologist here is you who constantly apologizes for Trump.

 

[blankslate]

Trump, on the other hand, is a very well known pig.

On that we agree.



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[s0me0nesmind1]

Democrat best moves:
Biden for sane centrists. He may be overall dumb - but he has the rust belt and working class vote
Buttigieg for sane far lefties. He goes hard left - but remains rational instead of stupid

Democrat worst moves:
Warren "Pocahontas" is a straight shot loss. She has no gall to compete with Trump. She can dish out all the policy plans she wants, Trump would crush her. I just imagine her saying "Mr. Trump, you're a big fat doo-doo-head!"
Any other stupid ones O'Rourke, Booker, Gillibrand, Harris, etc...

Instead of just downvoting my post like the cucks you are - how about you actually show a rational opinion of why you disagree with what I said?

I'm going to be voting left next year, so in all honesty - I'm giving you my opinion in hopes that you win. I sincerely hope you do - and above are my thoughts on how best to do so.

 

[glenn1]

Instead of just downvoting my post like the cucks you are - how about you actually show a rational opinion of why you disagree with what I said?

I'm going to be voting left next year, so in all honesty - I'm giving you my opinion in hopes that you win. I sincerely hope you do - and above are my thoughts on how best to do so.

The left thinks it's some sort of jedi mind trick or reverse psychology when a person who normally disagrees with them offers an opinion. "Oh, several conservatives have said they like Buttigieg and would vote for him, and think Warren can't win - that means they secretly don't want us to pick Warren because they know she'll win!" Same thing happened when huge amounts of people warned them their 2016 candidate was a poor choice but they took that as proof of what a great candidate she really was.

I've already said I'm going to support Buttigieg and think he's the Dem with the best chance to both beat Trump and be a good POTUS despite that I disagree with him on numerous policy issues. All the other candidates either have very exploitable weaknesses, have the charisma of a bowl of plain oatmeal, or are straight up novelty candidates who shouldn't really even be in the race. Sanders is the only other one who has any cross-party and cross-generational appeal, but Mayor Pete seems to generate it more spontaneously among almost everyone who listens to him. He pretty much seems like Obama 2.0, he won't quite catch the same amount of excitement as Obama in 2008 but the same feeling is there with perhaps slightly more cerebral vibe. We'll see how things end up playing out.

 

[evident]

Can you imagine Trump on a debate stage with Elizabeth Warren? An intellectual policy pro vs. tweedle dipshit, the functionally illiterate stable genius with a 4 second attention span. Yikes. It'd be like a Gallagher show, DNC will have to hand out umbrellas and ponchos to the front row seats. Orange bullshit everywhere.

Uh... do you remember how Hillary mopped the floor with Trump in all of the debates? No one cared.

 

[jmagg]

As a moderate Democrat, I believe no current nominees can beat Trump. Field a young moderate with sensible policy's that put rank and file workers first would be the ticket. My crystal ball says the DNC will promote Biden at any cost, and that cost will be a loss. The good ol boys need their security blanket. Also, the gif is disgusting and repulsive. Biden is dim.

 

[kage69]

Uh... do you remember how Hillary mopped the floor with Trump in all of the debates? No one cared.

Rational people did, and uh... do you remember the last 2+ years? So much about the Trump disaster has shown to be true, this isn't 2016 anymore where there are still questions about his record. Now add the Mueller Report and rampant obstruction into that mix with Warren.

Trump will hug himself and attempt to repeat all the fragments of talking points his meager mind can handle, but the bad lady won't stop. It'd be brutal, another scathing indictment of how retarded republicans are to have supported such an extraordinarily unintelligent traitor and criminal.

 

[kage69]

Instead of just downvoting my post like the cucks you are - how about you actually show a rational opinion of why you disagree with what I said?

I'm going to be voting left next year, so in all honesty - I'm giving you my opinion in hopes that you win. I sincerely hope you do - and above are my thoughts on how best to do so.

Post less stupid shit, maybe people will start believing your opinion matters. Echoing Trump's fail and projecting your "cuck" issue is moving in the opposite direction.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Meanwhile, Roy Moore just filed his papers to run again for an Alabama senate seat!

He might do better this time. Many of his girlfriends are now old enough to vote.

 

[blankslate]

Instead of just downvoting my post like the cucks you are - how about you actually show a rational opinion of why you disagree with what I said?

maybe you can be better than the establo-bro Democrats (especially that disingenuous and insipid AF Shill) who never in a thousands years thought the anointed one, her queenly inevitableness could ever lose in anyway against Trump and watch or at least listen to that video.


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[blankslate]

Joe Biden is doomed in the General because
Joe Biden Reminiscences About How Nice and Personable Segregationists Were

He also tells well-healed Donors they don't have to worry their little heads about higher taxes to help the poor and middle class because "Say it ain't So Joe" believes in neo-liberal economics



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[Indus]

Joe Biden is doomed in the General because
Joe Biden Reminiscences About How Nice and Personable Segregationists Were

He also tells well-healed Donors they don't have to worry their little heads about higher taxes to help the poor and middle class because "Say it ain't So Joe" believes in neo-liberal economics



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Is he seriously trying to get the white segregationist vote which hasn't voted for dems since LBJ?

This is like Hillary trying to peel off Republicans.

Stupid is as stupid does.