I think Biden is toast in a general election because..

[Indus]

Even David Axelrod who I respect as the mid liberal/ centrist guy (who was architect of Obama's campaigns) said.. Biden seems to be confused and part of the past!

Ofcourse people can be stubborn all they want but generally they're fickle when it comes to politicians.. it ultimately comes down to what can you do for me?

And Biden seems hellbent on.. nothing.. I won't rock the boat from the last 50 years. Except people WANTED to rock the boat to change things.. that's why they voted Trump.

 

[Ichinisan]

Your recall of events does not accord with mine - which is more in line with the article Jhhn linked to. I won't cast shame right back at you, but I am puzzled why your memory is such that you want to defend the narcissist-in-chief (as I don't think you are one of the hard-line Trumpites here).

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...t-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/


Trump: "... Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."

Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.

"Does anybody have a final --"

Incidentally, I would question whether a genuinely 'fine person' would even want to defend those statues, given the reasons why they were put up in the first place.

I mean, the historical significance could be a consideration.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Warren or Harris and I'm all in.

 

[Jaskalas]

Biden.exe has encountered an error.
Would someone please reboot or shutdown?

I suppose amidst the high and turbulent seas of storm Trump, someone can represent an old standard. Do we laugh or do we cry?

 

[blankslate]

Just a good fun Parody...

NSFW btw so not at a job.

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[blankslate]

Biden Done because

Michael Moore who was one of the few who early on cautioned that Hillary could lose in 2016 said this about Biden....

Also Biden has pretty much tapped out most of his individual donors (meaning they have given the maximum) whilst a candidate like Sen. Warren who has many more small donors than Biden (whose average donation is about $27) can give to her over and over again.

Biden raised less in the latest quarter than in previous the previous quarter...

....Biden’s polling numbers in the Democratic primary have declined in recent months, and his fundraising has also lagged — he collected $7 million less between July and the end of September than in the second quarter.

yes please Sen. Warren is better than Biden by far...


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[Jhhnn]

I personally never figured Biden would become the nominee. Same for Bernie. OTOH, it's self defeating for Dems to attack their own instead of building up whoever they prefer. 2016 should have taught us that lesson.

 

[Moonbeam]

I personally never figured Biden would become the nominee. Same for Bernie. OTOH, it's self defeating for Dems to attack their own instead of building up whoever they prefer. 2016 should have taught us that lesson.

The problem has its origin, in my opinion, because liberals are inwardly certain that people who don't think like them are stupid, even other liberals. Does this make liberals stupid or me?

 

[woolfe9998]

The problem has its origin, in my opinion, because liberals are inwardly certain that people who don't think like them are stupid, even other liberals. Does this make liberals stupid or me?

That's one way to look at it. Another is that conservatives are more tribalistic, meaning they tend to view dissent in their ranks as either totally disqualifying or else they essentially ignore it. Also, there isn't as much dissent on that side. Views tend to be more homogenous among conservatives. And yet another reason is that there are actually moderate liberals in this country, so there are two wings of the dem party to argue with each other. Not so with conservatives. Nearly all their moderates have either gone extreme or gone left.

 

[pmv]

The problem has its origin, in my opinion, because liberals are inwardly certain that people who don't think like them are stupid, even other liberals. Does this make liberals stupid or me?

I don't think that's true at all. At least, if it's true, it's only true of one particular sub-set of liberals. Though, really, it seems to me the relevant group for that kind of thinking is more a certain strand of atheist, rather than 'liberals'. I'm sure there's an overlap, insofar as many of those athiests are liberals. But when they treat differences of view as being about stupidity or intelligence they have their atheist hat on, not their liberal hat. (Not sure what kind of hat a liberal hat is...presumably not a fedora and certainly not a maga cap).

Liberals fall out because those unhappy with the way things are are likely to be unhappy for a variety of reasons and can have different ideas about what they want to put in its place. Those who like things as they are know what it is they are trying to preserve. There's only one status quo, only one way to go backwards.

 

[Jhhnn]

Meh. The GOP has been running their highly successful top down class warfare agenda against the rest of us for decades behind a phalanx of highly emotional wedge issues, disinformation campaigns & outright lies. Their base has been largely rendered incapable of seeing those deceptions for what they are. All their best qualities are turned against them.

 

[bbhaag]

Biden doesn't have a chance because he is the most moderate of all the candidates running. He's not fringe enough to get the early votes that would put him on the 2020 ticket.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Biden doesn't have a chance because he is the most moderate of all the candidates running. He's not fringe enough to get the early votes that would put him on the 2020 ticket.

could be...we will see.

 

[Moonbeam]

Meh. The GOP has been running their highly successful top down class warfare agenda against the rest of us for decades behind a phalanx of highly emotional wedge issues, disinformation campaigns & outright lies. Their base has been largely rendered incapable of seeing those deceptions for what they are. All their best qualities are turned against them.

Yup. The fact is, or modern neuroscience at least claims that conservatives have a much larger palate of moral concerns than liberals do, and more ways therefore to get all fucked up. What this means is that conservatives understand liberals better than liberals understand conservatives. What liberal is going to believe that? For liberals the extra moral concerns they don't share with liberals look stupid, and that in a teacup is the liberal brain defect. And because liberals can't comprehend the moral value of conservative issues they lose elections because those moral values have survival value in evolution and are widely held. It makes liberals sound like intellectual air heads. Mr. Dukakis, what would you do if somebody raped your wife.

 

[jmagg]

Bidenis not great, but is the status quo. Warren will be VP but greatly stifled. Dems may be able to squeak it out with this ticket

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Biden has not shown himself as a strong candidate and not improving which has led to a much less than certain primary victory. It would be irony indeed if Trump strengthens support for him with his attacks, is at least impeached, and gets Biden elected. If Trump had played in a legal and traditional way then Biden very well might have been a weaker candidate but all Trump gets is a "I was impeached for being stewpid" tee-shirt.

 

[blankslate]

what 2016 should really have taught us is that following President Obama's campaign example would have much more likely won the Democratic Candidate the 2016 election... instead she ran more to the center than the successful 2008 and 2012 Democratic Campaigns.
Which is why Biden's moderate approach is less desirable than the other two top polling candidates currently.

On some issues the RIC (retard in chief) ran to the left of her (he was lying of course) but it fooled enough desperate people in the "firewall states" besides the racists who were gonna grok those bigotry vibes President Trump also put out during the campaign.


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[glenn1]

Biden has not shown himself as a strong candidate and not improving which has led to a much less than certain primary victory. It would be irony indeed if Trump strengthens support for him with his attacks, is at least impeached, and gets Biden elected. If Trump had played in a legal and traditional way then Biden very well might have been a weaker candidate but all Trump gets is a "I was impeached for being stewpid" tee-shirt.

Nobody is scared of a Biden presidency. He's the ultimate status quo guy whose basic campaign message is "I'll bring back the Obama days." He's also old enough that his generational mindset are slightly Archie Bunker-ian and won't turn off the "fvck your feels" old folks who liked Trump either. His age and policies pretty much ensure he'd basically be a caretaker president who wouldn't create a new political equilibrium like FDR or Reagan. Having a "President Biden" would actually be a big get for the GOP all things considered given the alternatives and put them in prime position to replace Biden in 2024.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nobody is scared of a Biden presidency. He's the ultimate status quo guy whose basic campaign message is "I'll bring back the Obama days." He's also old enough that his generational mindset are slightly Archie Bunker-ian and won't turn off the "fvck your feels" old folks who liked Trump either. His age and policies pretty much ensure he'd basically be a caretaker president who wouldn't create a new political equilibrium like FDR or Reagan. Having a "President Biden" would actually be a big get for the GOP all things considered given the alternatives and put them in prime position to replace Biden in 2024.

Trump and his are terrified, the Republicans are and Biden is "one of them" in many ways. It is possible that Joe doesn't sit on investigations even if he doesn't state a position. There's too much uncertainty here.

Regardless, Biden shoots himself in the foot on a routine basis and IMO the aging process has taken a mental toll. Sanders may have to step down and then we have Biden vs. Warren, and the latter is still unimpaired.

Warren scares the shit out of corrupt and self-serving institutions such as corporate CEOs who act in their own interests even above those of the shareholders.

So the end result is even more ironic as Trump seeks to bring down Biden which will leave the Republican who fear Donnie or agree with him in deeper shit.

Trump kills everything he touches.

 

[senseamp]

Biden is too soft. If he wanted to run, he should have done it in 2016. But more importantly he's too institutionalized into Washington's ways.

 

[thilanliyan]

Really hope he steps down, in favour of Warren hopefully.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Warren is the way to go, but I will support Biden if he gets the nomination. As time goes on, I see more and more reasons it shouldn't be him, but ultimately he is still magnitudes better than a dementia riddled criminal with a room temp IQ and dictator envy.

I'll vote for sleepy Joe if it comes to that, meanwhile, I hope that EW gets the nod in the primaries as I don't see any viable alternatives being presented. I'll vote for anyone running against DJT.

I'd love to see Gen. Colin Powell throw his hat into the ring but alas he says he's done with government and politics.

 

[Muse]

Really hope he steps down, in favour of Warren hopefully.

Warren would be great if elected. Does she have a better chance of taking down Trump than Biden? I'd certainly prefer her...

 

[thilanliyan]

Warren would be great if elected. Does she have a better chance of taking down Trump than Biden? I'd certainly prefer her...

That I'm not entirely certain on, although I think she's probably more "electable" than Sanders is for example.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The problem with Warren is she is a woman! Plain and simple!! The reason I say this is because Trumps base of Evangelical Christians believe that a man should run the Country!
I personally think Warren is very electable if she changes her message a bit -- such as it is time for a woman to be i n the white house! Look it how the men have messed things up....