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Svnla

Lifer
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You're the only one screaming that, champ.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to point out how cognitive dissonance and projection are the twin pillars of modern US conservatism.

Keep on keepin' on.

I can't hear you from all that whine and bitch of "sooooooooo rrrrraaaaacccciiiissssttttttt".

Me as conservatism? Oh, yes, me old white male living in a broken down trailer that married to my first cousin and with that huge Confederate flag in the background.

You have me all figured out. Want a chocolate cookie?
 

nickqt

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I can't hear you from all that whine and bitch of "sooooooooo rrrrraaaaacccciiiissssttttttt".

Me as conservatism? Oh, yes, me old white male living in a broken down trailer that married to my first cousin and with that huge Confederate flag in the background.

You have me all figured out. Want a chocolate cookie?
You're an idiot.
 

cyclohexane

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Back to the topic.

US is sending three different types of heavy bombers thousands of miles away from home and those bombers are capable to strike china and north korea = http://theweek.com/articles/643084/american-bombers-move-within-striking-distance-china-north-korea

Let see commie china do that.

Why are we provoking them? Is it worth the casualties to defend some rocks for other countries?

Obviously, we were so successful when we helped out Kuwait from Iraq. Totally worth the 50k casualties, $2 trillion cost, and pissing off the entire Middle East.

/s
 

Svnla

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Why are we provoking them? Is it worth the casualties to defend some rocks for other countries?

Obviously, we were so successful when we helped out Kuwait from Iraq. Totally worth the 50k casualties, $2 trillion cost, and pissing off the entire Middle East.

/s

It is not just the rocks that we are defending.

If commie china has its way, the whole South china Sea (in which billion and billion of goods are flowing through) will be its own lake and our allies and friends such as Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Philippines will be SOL. Commie china is acting just like Nazi Germany prior to WWII. Remember "peace for our time" plead by Chamberlain? We all know how that turned out. Appeasement toward aggression will not work.
 
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cyclohexane

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It is not just the rocks that we are defending.

If commie china has its way, the whole South china Sea (in which billion and billion of goods are flowing through) will be its own lake and our allies and friends such as Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Philippines will be SOL. Commie china is acting just like Nazi Germany prior to WWII. Remember "peace for our time" plead by Chamberlain? We all know how that turned out. Appeasement toward aggression will not work.

Okay tough guy. Same argument was made in the Korean War, the Vietnam war, and the Iraq wars. All made by geniuses like yourself. please be the first to enlist, otherwise leave my ass out of it.
 

Svnla

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Okay tough guy. Same argument was made in the Korean War, the Vietnam war, and the Iraq wars. All made by geniuses like yourself. please be the first to enlist, otherwise leave my ass out of it.

Me tough guy? Not at all. I am just telling you how things are. If the US is not involved or leave the area, then things will get worse in the area. Commie china military is itching for a fight, especially with Japan. And guess what, Japan military is not as fearsome as it once was but it is still one of the best (quality speaking) in Asia and we are bounded by treaty to defense Japan. We will see.
 

cyclohexane

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Me tough guy? Not at all. I am just telling you how things are. If the US is not involved or leave the area, then things will get worse in the area. Commie china military is itching for a fight, especially with Japan. And guess what, Japan military is not as fearsome as it once was but it is still one of the best (quality speaking) in Asia and we are bounded by treaty to defense Japan. We will see.

Oh really? What did the US do when Putin invaded Georgia/Crimea/east Ukraine?

Nothing. That's what. Because both Bush and Obama knew that we only mess with countries without nuclear missiles. I thought Bill Clinton promised Ukraine we'd have their back, to get them to dismantle their nukes? When the shit hit the fan for Ukraine, they found out that "agreements" are bullshit and no way in hell will we start a war with Russia. Not over Ukraine, nor any of our other allies.

Same shit will play out for our Asian "allies" and their disputes with China.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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Oh really? What did the US do when Putin invaded Georgia/Crimea/east Ukraine?

Nothing. That's what. Because both Bush and Obama knew that we only mess with countries without nuclear missiles. I thought Bill Clinton promised Ukraine we'd have their back, to get them to dismantle their nukes? When the shit hit the fan for Ukraine, they found out that "agreements" are bullshit and no way in hell will we start a war with Russia. Not over Ukraine, nor any of our other allies.

Same shit will play out for our Asian "allies" and their disputes with China.

I do not remember that the US has any formal treaty to defend Ukraine as it has with Japan. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You could be right that the US will do nothing to defend Japan if commie china attacks it. Only time will tell. Stay tuned.
 

cyclohexane

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I do not remember that the US has any formal treaty to defend Ukraine as it has with Japan. Feel free to prove me wrong.

You could be right that the US will do nothing to defend Japan if commie china attacks it. Only time will tell. Stay tuned.

The chances of the US weasling out of treaties to protect another country? 100%
Even the Japanese don't believe the treaties. That's why they want to amend their constitution and expand their military.

Also the right move for the US, no way do I agree that my tax dollars be used to fight wars for other countries. Now if only we could bring all of our troops back, and stop giving so much "aid" to Israel...
 

Svnla

Lifer
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The chances of the US weasling out of treaties to protect another country? 100%
Even the Japanese don't believe the treaties. That's why they want to amend their constitution and expand their military.

Also the right move for the US, no way do I agree that my tax dollars be used to fight wars for other countries. Now if only we could bring all of our troops back, and stop giving so much "aid" to Israel...

Don't be so sure about 100%. Some experts said the US could leave Europe, Asia, and everywhere else and move back to North America (inward isolation) in a near future. I agree with you about military aids to Israel and others such as Pakistan.

We will see how things turn out. The next few years/near future will be an interesting time to observe indeed.
 

CFP

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I am not buying that. They are becoming a manufacturing powerhouse. The backbone of EVERY successful country is manufacturing. They have made us utterly dependent on them (along with India). We are consumers, they are creators. That is GREAT for them and their future but bodes ill for ours. Let us hope they don't get the appetite for empire.
You ignore the fact that the middle class is booming in China, the population is aging severely, and that the costs of labor are already starting to go up and will only continue to.

One day, there will be a cheaper alternative, and everybody will go there, and China will not be internally developed enough to address the consequences of this shift. China is going to inevitably top out somewhere below where typical China Number 1 Superpower! thinkers have them at.
 

agent00f

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Links from Time, MIT, and Harvard are random? I reckon they are smarter than you. I have links from them to prove my assertion. That's how debating is getting done, not by posting a few links from Wiki like you did. Remember one of my links stated Wiki is not accurate for research?LOL.

Yes, random in the way your thought process was just explained, which you predictably couldn't understand due to insufficient cognitive self-awareness. The same way your sources were explained, which you couldn't understand either, along with anything more complex than "hurr durr, commie china bad; merica gud".

As to what you reckon, take note that a job writing what you linked would be a step down for one of us, and it's not the one who thinks the tech review is "MIT". Just to be clear, what they wrote is fine, you just didn't understand any of it beyond "hurr durr, wiki bad; time/mit/harvard gud". Frankly it's pretty obvious you've never done academic research or anything of the like, and could hardly be deemed college material much less ivy league.

That's realpolitik to you, commie china lover. The only one to preserve independence is to slaughter the chinese invaders or will be the next Tibet, East Turk, Inner Mongolia. A kid would know that to stand up and fight back a bully or well he will be bully around. That's why I posted several links about how nations around the neighborhood are getting ready for the chinese invaders.

I just post links from well known sources to back up my assertion and NOTHING you can do about it except whine and bitch and use big words that you have no clue.

Keep digging and lying and foaming at the mouth. I will be here and be ready with facts and links to back them up.

It's only natural that various militaries try to act tough given it's basically their role, not unlike your attempts at the same in face of better opposition, which is why they prefer to recruit your sort. Since you come from an honor culture (wiki will tell you what that means) and would probably rather die than admit to obvious inferiority, we're regrettably stuck with this dummy who believes if he can't understand big words nobody else can either.
 

agent00f

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You ignore the fact that the middle class is booming in China, the population is aging severely, and that the costs of labor are already starting to go up and will only continue to.

One day, there will be a cheaper alternative, and everybody will go there, and China will not be internally developed enough to address the consequences of this shift. China is going to inevitably top out somewhere below where typical China Number 1 Superpower! thinkers have them at.

Notice you're iterating all the typical first world problems. That's not a bad club to be in.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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Yes, random in the way your thought process was just explained, which you predictably couldn't understand due to insufficient cognitive self-awareness. The same way your sources were explained, which you couldn't understand either, along with anything more complex than "hurr durr, commie china bad; merica gud".

As to what you reckon, take note that a job writing what you linked would be a step down for one of us, and it's not the one who thinks the tech review is "MIT". Just to be clear, what they wrote is fine, you just didn't understand any of it beyond "hurr durr, wiki bad; time/mit/harvard gud". Frankly it's pretty obvious you've never done academic research or anything of the like, and could hardly be deemed college material much less ivy league.



It's only natural that various militaries try to act tough given it's basically their role, not unlike your attempts at the same in face of better opposition, which is why they prefer to recruit your sort. Since you come from an honor culture (wiki will tell you what that means) and would probably rather die than admit to obvious inferiority, we're regrettably stuck with this dummy who believes if he can't understand big words nobody else can either.

Oh, look at the little commie china lover, how he is trying so hard to lie and spin the facts. I have links from well known sources to back up my statements. What do you have? Nothing but more links from Wiki. LOL. You LOSE.

Let see, commie china is so tough with unarmed monks of Tibet and unarmed students in china but not so tough with anyone that could shoot back. Now that is a perfect example of inferior. All talk, ZERO action but more whine and bitch. Talk about sheer cowardice and stupidity. Facts are facts, little comrade.

Talk about sheer shame and humiliation and big time losing face in public for the whole world to laugh at. People in Asia roll their eyes whenever they talk about commie china. Tst..tst..tst...tst.. keep lying and spinning to make the sheer pains and humiliation go away, eh? Teeheehee. Still no answer if you are a chinese poster? Just yes or not will be fine.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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well, looks like we broke Svnla, yet again. Last 2 pages have just been a dumpster fire.


You guys broke me? How? By your Wikipedia power? Or more whining and bitching? Or by more lying and put your own words in my mouth?

Yet again? Are you smoking something funny again? Like how you claimed that I said I was never wrong last time? I am still waiting for proof. Anything at all? Learn how to lie better, eh? What a shame.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Hi Svnla's Vietnamese girlfriend/wife,

Svnla will be upset if you keep posting messages under his username without telling him.

Thanks,
HamburgerBoy (not Chinese, swares on me mum)
 

Svnla

Lifer
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Hi Svnla's Vietnamese girlfriend/wife,

Svnla will be upset if you keep posting messages under his username without telling him.

Thanks,
HamburgerBoy (not Chinese, swares on me mum)

Funny. Several posters in this site accused me as an old white hairy white guy living in a broken trailer with a huge Confederate flag in the background and my wife is also my sister. What is truth and what is fiction? WWJD?
 

HamburgerBoy

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Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else, but I thought you've literally mentioned that you have an Asian (I thought Vietnamese) significant other on this forum, probably in response to accusations of being racist or something along those lines (something I'm not trying to do here). I think it would explain your clear personal attachment to the issue of China though.
 

bshole

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It is not just the rocks that we are defending.

If commie china has its way, the whole South china Sea (in which billion and billion of goods are flowing through) will be its own lake and our allies and friends such as Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Philippines will be SOL. Commie china is acting just like Nazi Germany prior to WWII. Remember "peace for our time" plead by Chamberlain? We all know how that turned out. Appeasement toward aggression will not work.

With regards to China, there is NO military option. Quit pretending there is...

The economic sanction route is probably not viable either.

"Commie" China is probably the most Capitalist country in the world today. It's brand of Capitalism kind of resembles America circa 1900.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else, but I thought you've literally mentioned that you have an Asian (I thought Vietnamese) significant other on this forum, probably in response to accusations of being racist or something along those lines (something I'm not trying to do here). I think it would explain your clear personal attachment to the issue of China though.

Nope. Not me. Are you talking about Ackmed? Because he did post a picture of himself and his SO and she was Asian.

I have no problem with ordinary chinese folks. I think they are cool and hard working people but I do not care for the commie china and its paid posters aka wumaos or 50cents members. I did engage with them more than a few times in other Asian focused boards/forums.

I swear you, zinfamous, and others need to stop drinking/smoking whatever you guy were drinking/smoking because lately you guys accused me of a lot of things that I have no freaking idea what you guys were talking about.
 
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Svnla

Lifer
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With regards to China, there is NO military option. Quit pretending there is...

The economic sanction route is probably not viable either.

"Commie" China is probably the most Capitalist country in the world today. It's brand of Capitalism kind of resembles America circa 1900.

That's your opinion. Just as I said above to another poster, we will see how things will turn out sooner than later.
 

agent00f

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I can't hear you from all that whine and bitch of "sooooooooo rrrrraaaaacccciiiissssttttttt".

Me as conservatism? Oh, yes, me old white male living in a broken down trailer that married to my first cousin and with that huge Confederate flag in the background.

You have me all figured out. Want a chocolate cookie?

I'm genuinely curious what you believe you've done to break that stereotype, because up to now you've only reinforced it.

For example, the simple jingoism, love of right wing revisionist history, self-belief in their smarts despite lack of any discernible academic knowledge or achievement, honor culture, and the list goes on. The only difference is blind hatred directed at the chinese instead of the blacks or muslims. To wit:

Oh, look at the little commie china lover, how he is trying so hard to lie and spin the facts. I have links from well known sources to back up my statements. What do you have? Nothing but more links from Wiki. LOL. You LOSE.

Let see, commie china is so tough with unarmed monks of Tibet and unarmed students in china but not so tough with anyone that could shoot back. Now that is a perfect example of inferior. All talk, ZERO action but more whine and bitch. Talk about sheer cowardice and stupidity. Facts are facts, little comrade.

Talk about sheer shame and humiliation and big time losing face in public for the whole world to laugh at. People in Asia roll their eyes whenever they talk about commie china. Tst..tst..tst...tst.. keep lying and spinning to make the sheer pains and humiliation go away, eh? Teeheehee. Still no answer if you are a chinese poster? Just yes or not will be fine.

If you're childishly attributing a people's worth to their military might, commie china fought the US to a stalemate in korea and were largely responsible for north vietnamese victory against the same via a proxy war. And speaking of the US, it's rather well known for mostly bombing hapless opponents wholesale, and in comparison china is at best only taking baby steps in that direction.

But let's be clear, this is just you mouthing off as if this were the trailer park because you lack the capacity for an adult conversation. Nothing coming out of that head really means anything, but running that mouth feels good and ain't nobody gunna tell you different.
 
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