I think Gadhafi underestimated the international military response

[wuliheron]

What the hell are you talking about?

Earthquake in Haiti, who was there?

The United States.

Yeah, I remember now. Was that after we threatened to bomb them back to stone age or before?

Earthquake in Japan, who did they come to running for help even after they wanted to kick our military bases out?

The United States.

I might be mistaken, but I think right now they'd ask for help from a penguin if they thought it would do some good.

Who does South America come running to to help with their drug cartels?

The United States

What they keep doing is demanding more money from the US. Either we pay their government "aid" money or risk the governments becoming the drug cartels as happened in Panama.

Who does the heavy lifting so the rest of the world doesn't need a military?

The United States.

Who gets bashed by every country on the planet?

The United States.

Who does those countries come running to first when they need help?

The United States.

Boo hoo, its just not fair being so misunderstood.

So what if we pay dictators like Mubarak billions a year to remain in power and supply them with weapons. Idi Amin Dada was really a good guy as schizophrenic cannibals who feed thousands to the crocodiles go. People like him are just misunderstood too.

So what if our military is equal to the next seven largest in the world combined. We need it for self-defense. It's not like we just invade one country after another. People need to stop judging us superficially by our appearances and actions and get to know the real America.

 

[pcgeek11]

Rabid nationalism aside, that article doesn't seem to mention any really impressive US forces being deployed that I can see. We fired come cruise missiles, sure, but CANADA committed more fighter aircraft than we did.

The United States has deployed a naval force of 11 ships, including the amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge, the amphibious transport dock USS Ponce, the guided-missile destroyers USS Barry and USS Stout, the nuclear attack submarines USS Providence and USS Scranton, the cruise missile submarine USS Florida and the amphibious command ship USS Mount Whitney.[66][67][68]. Additionally, B-2 stealth bombers, [[1]] and F-15 and F-16 fighters have been involved in action over Libya.[69] U-2 reconnaissance aircraft are stationed on Cyprus.[70] F-15s and F-16s are being moved from Lakenheath and Spangdahlem to Aviano. On 18 March 2 AC-130Us arrived at Mildenhall as well as additional tanker aircraft.[21]


Canada: Canadian Forces Air Command has deployed seven[21] CF-18 fighter jets and 140 military personnel to the region under the name Operation Mobile.[50][51][52][53] The Halifax-class frigate HMCS Charlottetown is participating in operations at sea.

Lets not forget the Enterprise which has more firepower than Canada committed all by itself.

Get some facts.

 

[SickBeast]

Rabid nationalism aside, that article doesn't seem to mention any really impressive US forces being deployed that I can see. We fired come cruise missiles, sure, but CANADA committed more fighter aircraft than we did.

It's actually the French military that we should all be bowing down to and saluting right now. The Canadian planes only went into battle today AFAIK.

Don't underestimate what the US is doing. They could send a single soldier; the intimidation factor alone is worth everything.

 

[Dominato3r]

Rabid nationalism aside, that article doesn't seem to mention any really impressive US forces being deployed that I can see. We fired come cruise missiles, sure, but CANADA committed more fighter aircraft than we did.

Canada has committed 7 fighters with 140 support personnel, 1 frigate with 240 sailors, 2 C-17's and a surveillance aircraft.

That is minimal compared to what the US contributed.

 

[SickBeast]

wuliheron you have a lot of nerve to come in here and bash the US when they are in the middle of doing the world a favor.

Do us all a favor and go post this nonsense elsewhere.

 

[Dominato3r]

Lets not forget the Enterprise which has more firepower than Canada committed all by itself.

Get some facts.

Are you sure the Enterprise is there?

 

[wuliheron]

???? Not sure what your point is but I'd suggest you should read up on Gadhafi's history.

Oh, WWYBYWB?

My point is that how crazy Gaddafi is has nothing to do with terrorism. He immediately swore off sponsoring terrorism after 9/11 when he saw the gloves coming off despite his entire country hating the west. He may be crazy, but he ain't stupid. The real problem is that he's dug in tighter then a tic and ruthless enough to do whatever it takes to maintain power.

 

[wuliheron]

wuliheron you have a lot of nerve to come in here and bash the US when they are in the middle of doing the world a favor.

Do us all a favor and go post this nonsense elsewhere.

Is that the best comeback you can think of? Does the truth hurt so much it leaves you speechless? Would you prefer a kinder-gentler politics filled with love and beauty? Perhaps you are in the wrong forum.

 

[CPA]

I'm waiting for Gaddafi's people to disable the precious oil supply that France needs so badly.

So you're saying this is all about the oil?

 

[SickBeast]

Is that the best comeback you can think of? Does the truth hurt so much it leaves you speechless? Would you prefer a kinder-gentler politics filled with love and beauty? Perhaps you are in the wrong forum.

I'm not even American and I find what you say is completely off base and stupid.

 

[SamurAchzar]

I'm not sure anyone knows what this is about at this stage, which might explain the American insistence on being led through this campaign unlike the norm.

1. Toppling Gaddafi just to send the Libyans to fight over who takes his place?
2. Stripping out the Libyan army of weapons so that both sides could engage in a long civil war from equal positions?
3. Signaling to the Iranians that unless they get nukes, this is what's awaiting them at the next riots?

This is an entirely domestic Libyan dispute, and should have remained as such, civilian casualties or not. This might be a lame attempt by France to win the support of the rebels, expecting they will inherit Gaddafi's place. Of course this special relationship won't end there. Sounds like colonialism is back in fashion.

 

[wuliheron]

I'm not even American and I find what you say is completely off base and stupid.

Sucks to be you.

 

[wuliheron]

I'm not sure anyone knows what this is about at this stage, which might explain the American insistence on being led through this campaign unlike the norm.

1. Toppling Gaddafi just to send the Libyans to fight over who takes his place?
2. Stripping out the Libyan army of weapons so that both sides could engage in a long civil war from equal positions?
3. Signaling to the Iranians that unless they get nukes, this is what's awaiting them at the next riots?

This is an entirely domestic Libyan dispute, and should have remained as such, civilian casualties or not. This might be a lame attempt by France to win the support of the rebels, expecting they will inherit Gaddafi's place. Of course this special relationship won't end there. Sounds like colonialism is back in fashion.

Revolution is breaking out throughout the Muslim world and Gaddafi has just become the wrong guy for the job. He's got all this oil money, but we can't trust him enough to sell him weapons. Now he's losing control and can't even be trusted to keep the oil flowing.

We could stay out of the fight, but it wouldn't help our image in the Muslim world which we've been working very hard on improving. At the very least we need to keep him from slaughtering civilians indiscriminately and provide weapons to the opposition and hope they can replace him with someone more trustworthy. If not, then replacing him could get ugly.

 

[SickBeast]

I'm not sure anyone knows what this is about at this stage, which might explain the American insistence on being led through this campaign unlike the norm.

1. Toppling Gaddafi just to send the Libyans to fight over who takes his place?
2. Stripping out the Libyan army of weapons so that both sides could engage in a long civil war from equal positions?
3. Signaling to the Iranians that unless they get nukes, this is what's awaiting them at the next riots?

This is an entirely domestic Libyan dispute, and should have remained as such, civilian casualties or not. This might be a lame attempt by France to win the support of the rebels, expecting they will inherit Gaddafi's place. Of course this special relationship won't end there. Sounds like colonialism is back in fashion.

I think the one major concern in all of this is if one of these nuts decides to start attacking other nations.

 

[pcgeek11]

Are you sure the Enterprise is there?

It was reported that it soon will be:

Eventually, the aircraft carriers USS Enterprise and Charles de Gaulle will arrive off the coast and provide the enforcers with a rapid-response capability.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Revolution is breaking out throughout the Muslim world and Gaddafi has just become the wrong guy for the job. He's got all this oil money, but we can't trust him enough to sell him weapons. Now he's losing control and can't even be trusted to keep the oil flowing.

We could stay out of the fight, but it wouldn't help our image in the Muslim world which we've been working very hard on improving. At the very least we need to keep him from slaughtering civilians indiscriminately and provide weapons to the opposition and hope they can replace him with someone more trustworthy. If not, then replacing him could get ugly.

Christians bombing the fuck out of Muslims will never be looked upon positively in the Muslim world, as noble of a cause as there'll be. Trust the dictators and mullahs to tell their people stories of how the Americans are after the Libyan oil. The Arab league has backtracked already, changing its position on the attack of Libya - it probably got a bit out of hand for them. Hand slapping is fine, but actually attacking an Arab country because of a dictator which wouldn't step down? That might be a bit too much, considering the Arab League is exclusively composed of such dictators.

No, this is going to be a fuck up. The tab will be split between the Libyan people who are stepping into years of misery and bloodshed, and oil consumers worldwide, with 20% gratuity courtesy of the US taxpayer who paid for each and every one of those Tomahawks.

 

[wuliheron]

Christians bombing the fuck out of Muslims will never be looked upon positively in the Muslim world, as noble of a cause as there'll be. Trust the dictators and mullahs to tell their people stories of how the Americans are after the Libyan oil. The Arab league has backtracked already, changing its position on the attack of Libya - it probably got a bit out of hand for them. Hand slapping is fine, but actually attacking an Arab country because of a dictator which wouldn't step down? That might be a bit too much, considering the Arab League is exclusively composed of such dictators.

No, this is going to be a fuck up. The tab will be split between the Libyan people who are stepping into years of misery and bloodshed, and oil consumers worldwide, with 20% gratuity courtesy of the US taxpayer who paid for each and every one of those Tomahawks.

What a joke. All that xenophobic rhetoric has ruined your mind.

It was Muslims who just asked Christians to bomb other Muslims.

Hopefully they'll learn to ask for our help a little sooner, but the word is out and enemies of the US like Gaddafi are now fair game. If they can't even keep their own people happy then all the people need to do is demonstrate how serious they are and ask for our help. We don't even care whether they like us or not. From what we can see most Muslims don't even like each other.

As for oil prices going up, we shall see.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Wow, the US sent more resources than anyone else. Who would have thunk it. I suppose that trillion dollar military budget and a population of 320 million may have something to do with that. :hmm:

 

[silverpig]

Canada has committed 7 fighters with 140 support personnel, 1 frigate with 240 sailors, 2 C-17's and a surveillance aircraft.

That is minimal compared to what the US contributed.

Yeah, but percentage-wise...

 

[novasatori]

Yeah, but percentage-wise...

 

[AznAnarchy99]

You also have to factor in that the guy is a total nut. He has women for body guards because he doesn't trust men. Any sane man knows how crazy that is !.

Why would he be crazy. I sure as hell wouldnt want to give up an army of women bodyguards.

Sexyyy

 

[tonygeor]

he is getting pwned

 

[Doppel]

Why would he be crazy. I sure as hell wouldnt want to give up an army of women bodyguards.

Sexyyy

Look at other google images of them, most of them look like, uh, "ladies" you do not want to be intimate with.

 

[KMFJD]

I'm waiting for Gaddafi's people to disable the precious oil supply that Italy needs so badly.

ftfy

 

[SamurAchzar]

What a joke. All that xenophobic rhetoric has ruined your mind.

It was Muslims who just asked Christians to bomb other Muslims.

Hopefully they'll learn to ask for our help a little sooner, but the word is out and enemies of the US like Gaddafi are now fair game. If they can't even keep their own people happy then all the people need to do is demonstrate how serious they are and ask for our help. We don't even care whether they like us or not. From what we can see most Muslims don't even like each other.

As for oil prices going up, we shall see.

And you call me xenophobic *

The reason we shouldn't intervene in Libya is that we really don't know what's coming after Gadaffi, and it is far more probable the country will either go into a prolonged civil war and become a breeding ground for radical Islam than a prosperous enlightened democracy.
Better the devil you know, right?




* not that I don't agree