I Think If A Man Never Agreed To Have A Baby With A Woman He Shouldn't Have To Pay Child Support

Gizmo j

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But if the man DID agree to have a baby I don't think he should be able to "Change his mind" and say he doesn't want to take care of the baby anymore.

If the man agrees to have a baby, that's a lifelong commitment and he can't run from it.

I think women should have to have a man sign a contract saying he would care for the baby.

What do you think?
 

brycejones

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But if the man DID agree to have a baby I don't think he should be able to "Change his mind" and say he doesn't want to take care of the baby anymore.

If the man agrees to have a baby, that's a lifelong commitment and he can't run from it.

I think women should have to have a man sign a contract saying he would care for the baby.

What do you think?

This is simple. Don’t want to be responsible for a kid? Keep your dick out of the vagina.

Your “concept” is the worst kind of misogyny.
 

MtnMan

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But if the man DID agree to have a baby I don't think he should be able to "Change his mind" and say he doesn't want to take care of the baby anymore.

If the man agrees to have a baby, that's a lifelong commitment and he can't run from it.

I think women should have to have a man sign a contract saying he would care for the baby.

What do you think?
Unless YOU were FORCED to have sex (raped) but you fucked her... it's on you...

And fuck you, you misogynist pig.
 

DaaQ

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But if the man DID agree to have a baby I don't think he should be able to "Change his mind" and say he doesn't want to take care of the baby anymore.

If the man agrees to have a baby, that's a lifelong commitment and he can't run from it.

I think women should have to have a man sign a contract saying he would care for the baby.

What do you think?
That is also known as the Birth Certificate.
 

Moonbeam

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But if the man DID agree to have a baby I don't think he should be able to "Change his mind" and say he doesn't want to take care of the baby anymore.

If the man agrees to have a baby, that's a lifelong commitment and he can't run from it.

I think women should have to have a man sign a contract saying he would care for the baby.

What do you think?
I think all men should be sterilized at birth repairable by a surgery that costs a million dollars with the death penalty for any attempts to subvert this rule.

This would reduce the grumbling about personal responsibility by making future children the children of the most capable men. Those who can't measure up can apply for a government supplied free goat.
 

MrSquished

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I've been wanting a vasectomy for a few years now. It's on the short list of things to get that are expensive.
 

Jaskalas

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Basic Income and a Housing Program combined would, I think, make these notions obsolete. Basic sustenance would not be an issue for them. To an certain extent. May be tricky with the same mother having a 3rd or 4th child.
 
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I think I actually kinda agree with this. While I do want to encourage safe sex, I don't think any individual should have to pay for child support if they are not directly involved in raising the child. If they want to be a father, that is fine, if not, they shouldn't have to pay money to the family they aren't part of.

Of course the child should be taken care of, and there should be help for the mother. Assuming there is a pregnancy which leads all the way to birth. I just think that maybe it should be in the form of social programs, and not from some ex boyfriend.
 
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Pipeline 1010

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I think if a man never agreed to cause a car crash he shouldn't have to pay when he crashes his car. /s

If you do things that have consequences you are responsible for the consequences.

(^ I'm sure this statement will come back to bite me some day soon)
 

Pohemi

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What do you think?
Honestly? I think you are naïve and misguided, in more than just this topic. But for this one? Wow.
O....kay? Share your thoughts? Or is it just empty misogyny?

As others have stated, if you chose to stick your dick in a woman without protection, and are part of the creation/cause, why should you not share responsibility? It's called adulting. Which is why Gizmo has no fucking idea. I don't know what anyone else who agrees with him excuse is.
 

Gizmo j

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You guys don't think it's weird that a contract is involved when you get married, a contract for buying a house, a contract when buying a car,....but no contract involved when having a baby?
 
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nickqt

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You guys don't think it's weird that a contract is involved when you get married, a contract for buying a house, a contract when buying a car,....but no contract involved when having a baby?
Do you think it's weird that there's no contract involved with two people having sex?

Unless the man is raped, or his semen is taken against his will, than he is tacitly accepting as a possibility that sex could lead to a baby.
 
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Personally, I think sex is sacred since it gives rise to human life and the child could be instrumental in human history (small chance but there's the butterfly effect to consider too). So, either safe sex or be really good at pulling out or pay for YOUR child. You are a wimp and a coward if you decide not to pay for your child. Like Steve Jobs.

Seriously, what kind of low life can move on without considering that there is a living being in this world that has HALF his DNA?
 
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emperus

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But if the man DID agree to have a baby I don't think he should be able to "Change his mind" and say he doesn't want to take care of the baby anymore.

If the man agrees to have a baby, that's a lifelong commitment and he can't run from it.

I think women should have to have a man sign a contract saying he would care for the baby.

What do you think?

Had this same convo with a friend recently. He was arguing the same thing. Where is this propagating from? His beef is he was ordered to pay 6k in child support for a child he has 50% of the time and pays all other expenses for(school etc). I can see what induced him to that sentiment.

My take on it. Once you decide to have sex with someone, you should take that as acknowledgement or a contract that you are responsible for whatever happens after (even if you wear a condom (it breaks etc.)). This is where your input ends (literally). Once she's pregnant, it's her decision what she chooses to do. You have no control in that choice, but have to live with the outcome of it.

I so think there is a lot of misogamy in this conversation. Men, enjoy the act of sex, but leave the responsibilities (moral (terminating a pregnancy), physical (the toll of it)) to the woman.
 

HurleyBird

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Yeah, this is something I'm not sure about. Either way. I don't see it as black and white at all.

There's certainly an argument to be made that men are generally disadvantaged when it comes to reproductive rights and responsibilities. You could attack it at either, or both ends to try to make the situation more equitable, it doesn't necessarily need to be all about removing responsibility. However, improving rights could be difficult to the extent that any difference in rights is more due to bias in family court than actual written law.

So let's talk about the concept of a "legal abortion," one where the father has no responsibilities but forfeits any and all parental rights.

Obviously, in any context where there is not access to abortion, then giving the father a choice of a "legal abortion" would be extremely unfair to the mother. You end with the reverse of the ostensible problem.

Is the inverse true when there is plentiful access to abortion? Is it unfair women get to chose while men don't? Maybe. But it's certainly not an equivalent situation. A man who might choose a "legal abortion" doesn't need to worry about the moral implications of taking a potential human life. Depending on personal belief, that can take a giant emotional toll. And outside personal belief, the mother may be in a social situation where she becomes a defacto pariah if it is discovered that she has an abortion. Depending on how far along the pregnancy is, there may be physical and medical issues too. The father doesn't need to deal with any of these costs.

You would think that, if men do ever gain the right to have a "legal abortion" they should still owe the woman some amount of compensation. You can give both sexes a choice, but it certainly isn't an equal choice. The issue that narrowing down what might count as just compensation is very difficult. For a religious woman in a religious family who feels like she doesn't have a choice, that cost is enormous. Involving the courts to arrive at a value would intrude on the privacy of both parties.

Hopefully we're all in agreement here that if the father does not help support the child then the state should step in and do so. The state after all has an interest in the child growing up properly. This has the upside of removing extremes (eg. the rich father pays much more than is needed to raise the child while the poor deadbeat father pays not enough). It sounds good, but the big question is: What would be the cost to the state? At the end of the day, we need to be pragmatic. If the cost ends up right next to health care and military expenditures, then it would be best avoided.

But assuming the cost is manageable, here's an idea:
  • Allow "legal abortions" for fathers. This can only be executed before the child is born.
    • And maybe also as an alternative, in extreme cases, to incarcerating child support debtors when they are unable to make payments. Is this a thing in the US? It is in Canada.
  • When a child is "legally aborted" the father loses all parental rights. Instead of the father, the state provides child support.
  • Because the father has burdened the state, and because the father's choice to "abort" is not as costly as the mother's, the state increases the father's income tax rate by some amount for some period of time. Perhaps 18 years. Or perhaps permanently.

I predict the consequences of a scheme like this would generally help poor mothers and fathers. It would really help rich fathers, and really hurt gold diggers. Sounds like a good trade, but it would also increase everyone's tax burden by some amount.

The extent to which it's equitable certainly depends on how severe the penalty is for fathers who abort. Since the intangible cost of an abortion varies so much to mothers, it will never be perfect. But at a thousand yards it does look somewhat equitable in the sense that it adds a cost to a father's "legal abortion" in order to counterbalance the additional costs the mother must bear with a physical abortion.
 
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Leeea

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But if the man DID agree to have a baby I don't think he should be able to "Change his mind" and say he doesn't want to take care of the baby anymore.

If the man agrees to have a baby, that's a lifelong commitment and he can't run from it.

I think women should have to have a man sign a contract saying he would care for the baby.

What do you think?

Any man who feels he does not have to pay child support should have his balls cut off.
 
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