I Think If A Man Never Agreed To Have A Baby With A Woman He Shouldn't Have To Pay Child Support

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Greenman

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People make bad choices and are held accountable. Just like it should be.
That's not as true as it once was. If enough people make the same bad decision they want government to pay for it. Student loans come to mind.
I keep dancing around the issue looking for a solution that gives the father some legal say in the outcome, and there really isn't any method of doing that. It's odd that I consider these things much more thoroughly now than back when I was a young horndog.
 

ch33zw1z

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It's cause right wingers get laid a lot. It's a bit of a burden, but we always manage to rise to the occasion.

the question becomes about consensual nature of this “getting laid”. And, whether or not quantity is better than quality. It seems you guys struggle with basic responsibility when it comes to your dick.
 
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Mai72

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But if the man DID agree to have a baby I don't think he should be able to "Change his mind" and say he doesn't want to take care of the baby anymore.

If the man agrees to have a baby, that's a lifelong commitment and he can't run from it.

I think women should have to have a man sign a contract saying he would care for the baby.

What do you think?

And, how would you prove that the man agreed or didn't agree to have a baby? Testimony alone?

So, a man could have a baby or babies and say "I never agreed to any of this" and be out. Do you really think people are going to be honest? Especially these scum bags who refuse to be apart of their child's life? The problem with your statement is you can't rely on testimony alone. People are emotional beings. And so this is why we don't rely on testimony alone. We bring in other data so the courts can make their final decision. Lets look at the other data: He was a WILLING participtant. The man WILLINGLY engaged in sexual contact witht he female. It takes 2 to tango. And so YES, he should have to pay child support and this why your statement makes no sense.
 
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pmv

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That's not as true as it once was. If enough people make the same bad decision they want government to pay for it. Student loans come to mind.

Irresponsible banks making bad lending decisions come to mind. And financial workers getting bonuses for reckless investment decisions.

Student loan recipients need to band together and reconstitute themselves as a financial sector business and then claim to be 'too big to be allowed to fail'.
 

Greenman

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Irresponsible banks making bad lending decisions come to mind. And financial workers getting bonuses for reckless investment decisions.

Student loan recipients need to band together and reconstitute themselves as a financial sector business and then claim to be 'too big to be allowed to fail'.
The banks offer the loans because they aren't dischargeable. That's the single criteria that made the the whole thing work. A lot of people believe that a degree is a ticket to success, discovered that it doesn't always work that way, and now have a problem.
 

fskimospy

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That's not as true as it once was. If enough people make the same bad decision they want government to pay for it. Student loans come to mind.
I keep dancing around the issue looking for a solution that gives the father some legal say in the outcome, and there really isn't any method of doing that. It's odd that I consider these things much more thoroughly now than back when I was a young horndog.
I agree, there isn’t a good answer. While I agree it sucks that a man can get saddled with a kid he doesn’t want but if you let men just bail on their responsibility you will end up with a country filled with single moms being supported by the government because tons of dads will ‘abort’ their kids, not pay anything to raise them, and then suddenly show back up in their lives when the dad feels like it. If I have to choose between dads taking care of their kids and the taxpayers, I choose dads.
 

fskimospy

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Irresponsible banks making bad lending decisions come to mind. And financial workers getting bonuses for reckless investment decisions.

Student loan recipients need to band together and reconstitute themselves as a financial sector business and then claim to be 'too big to be allowed to fail'.
As Greenman says the only reason student loans still exist is that the law makes it so they can’t be discharged almost ever. If they could be discharged who would lend many tens thousands of dollars to people with no income and no assets?

I’m down with student loan forgiveness as an idea but it has to come with reforms to the system so this doesn’t happen again.
 

Maxima1

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You forgot the first paragraph in the section titled "Prevalence of Control of Reproductive or Sexual Health by an Intimate Partner", not reproductive coercion/birth control sabotage.

The discussion was on the father, and going through the few pages, nobody mentioned reproductive coercion/birth control sabotage, although mindless did say "entrap", which some laughed at. It's strange that there is sympathy for the women but not for the men.

Now consider what roles men and women play in procreation, and why this comparison makes a difference.

Women can easily terminate the pregnancy and still have options if they refuse that. The financial burden doesn't necessarily hurt them in the same way as with men either e.g. getting put on the fast track for a Section 8 voucher.

Yeah you only post the women's side because you are a misogynist pig.

Many women have been victim to men who take off condoms during sex, especially when they get behind them or at other times. Or men who say they're going to pull out and don't. Anybody does that no matter what sex they should be held accountable

lol A great example of white knighting. See above.

That's not as true as it once was. If enough people make the same bad decision they want government to pay for it. Student loans come to mind.

It's funny that one of the argument angles here has been that it should be an effort of pooling resources between the parents, but I guarantee they would be all for Democrats teaming up with Romney and Rubio to give partial basic income for people with kids.
 
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Greenman

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Yea. That must be it.
Also, in this climate of Roevember midterms it takes a special kind of stupid to publicly kick around ideas of taking more rights away from women.
I mean *real special* kind of stupid.
I have no issue with the general intent of this statement
I agree, there isn’t a good answer. While I agree it sucks that a man can get saddled with a kid he doesn’t want but if you let men just bail on their responsibility you will end up with a country filled with single moms being supported by the government because tons of dads will ‘abort’ their kids, not pay anything to raise them, and then suddenly show back up in their lives when the dad feels like it. If I have to choose between dads taking care of their kids and the taxpayers, I choose dads.
Solid logic, and there is plenty of evidence that it's right on the mark.
The only good thing about getting old is that getting laid isn't the all consuming passion it was when I was a kid.
 
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Women can easily terminate the pregnancy
It would have to be a really slutty professional who can "easily" terminate a pregnancy. You don't take this decision lightly if you are a woman. I think there was a movie that showed what a woman has to go through for the abortion process (taking doctor recommended pills etc. and suffering for days afterwards with pain and stuff). It really opened my eyes on what they have to endure. For a man, it's a 5 minute job to inject his DNA into her but for the woman, it's a significant time and emotional investment to take care of the consequences of that.
 
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fskimospy

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I have no issue with the general intent of this statement

Solid logic, and there is plenty of evidence that it's right on the mark.
The only good thing about getting old is that getting laid isn't the all consuming passion it was when I was a kid.
The level to which I’m starting to enjoy a night in the recliner is alarming to me.
 

cytg111

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Gentlemen, that is 100% a testament ceding testosterone levels. If you were to TRT back to levels of a 30 year old, you'd be all about that pussy again.
 

pmv

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I preferred the OP when he was making bizarre random nonsense posts in ATOT. Don't care for this new venture into alt-right politics. Useful that it's confirmed that certain posters are the misogynists I suspected they were.
 

Greenman

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The level to which I’m starting to enjoy a night in the recliner is alarming to me.
For me a good day is a day without Ibuprofen. A motorcycle accident and 47 years in construction have taken a toll. I still work hard, but I keep a kid near by to run for tools and carry one end of the endless supply of heavy things I have to move.
 
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fskimospy

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For me a good day is a day without Ibuprofen. A motorcycle accident and 47 years in construction have taken a toll. I still work hard, but I keep a kid near by to run for tools and carry one end of the endless supply of heavy things I have to move.
That’s a lot of constructing.
 
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Maxima1

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It would have to be a really slutty professional who can "easily" terminate a pregnancy. You don't take this decision lightly if you are a woman. I think there was a movie that showed what a woman has to go through for the abortion process (taking doctor recommended pills etc. and suffering for days afterwards with pain and stuff). It really opened my eyes on what they have to endure. For a man, it's a 5 minute job to inject his DNA into her but for the woman, it's a significant time and emotional investment to take care of the consequences of that.

Slutty? Wut. Relative to carrying to term, it should be obvious why your response is moot.
 
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