I Think If A Man Never Agreed To Have A Baby With A Woman He Shouldn't Have To Pay Child Support

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K1052

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Gentlemen, that is 100% a testament ceding testosterone levels. If you were to TRT back to levels of a 30 year old, you'd be all about that pussy again.

Sure but I'm mostly fine with it. If my interest drops off too far I'd probably go on the gel but I think thats a while off.
 
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For me a good day is a day without Ibuprofen. A motorcycle accident and 47 years in construction have taken a toll. I still work hard, but I keep a kid near by to run for tools and carry one end of the endless supply of heavy things I have to move.
If you are OK with raw onion shake (only water nothing else) during the day or with dinner, it has a tremendous effect on making the pain go away. But it is also tremendously hard to drink it. I did that when I sustained significant back injury and lost two inches in height. The pain was so bad that I couldn't even lift a bucket full of water. A few months later, I was back to normal.
 

cytg111

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Sure but I'm mostly fine with it. If my interest drops off too far I'd probably go on the gel but I think thats a while off.
Yea of course, didnt mean to suggest anything was wrong with it. Being free of the sex drive gives way to clarity of thought, quite liberating actually.
 
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MrSquished

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For me a good day is a day without Ibuprofen. A motorcycle accident and 47 years in construction have taken a toll. I still work hard, but I keep a kid near by to run for tools and carry one end of the endless supply of heavy things I have to move.
Maybe it's too much ibuprofen that makes you deny reality and facts and refuse to answer basic simple questions?
 

MrSquished

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As Greenman says the only reason student loans still exist is that the law makes it so they can’t be discharged almost ever. If they could be discharged who would lend many tens thousands of dollars to people with no income and no assets?

I’m down with student loan forgiveness as an idea but it has to come with reforms to the system so this doesn’t happen again.
Agreed. But like immigration reform, you'll never get the Republicans onboard.

And while I totally agree the trades should be pushed more and college isn't for everyone, I strongly disagree with the conservative mindset that is starting to dismiss college.

A clear benefit of college is that it teaches stuff, about the world, history, other cultures, perspectives, points of view. It broadens the mind.

Which is why Democrats win more educated voters significantly. The ability to reject the horribleness that has become conservatism is getting more and more crucial to the survival of democracy and freedom.

I mean just look at this thread, the right wingers are the ones who are the misogynists that think men are the disadvantaged class, meanwhile they vote for a party whose goal is to force women to have babies.

Frankly, it's disgusting.
 

Paratus

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I’m still not seeing the “male abortion side”
Both parents are responsible for the child. Either may raise the baby or provide child support.

During Roe both had bodily autonomy. Now post-Roe both sides may use their genitals as their respective state governments see fit.
 

Drach

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I have 2 children from women I had sex with but would never consider having a long term relationship . One was conceived on my birthday while I was shit faced drunk. The other was conceived on my birthday while I was sober.

I have zero regrets about the outcome. I have 2 beautiful children that I worship daily that are far better people than I am.

I did not want children but my mistakes have been the biggest blessing in my life.
 

pmv

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Maybe it's too much ibuprofen that makes you deny reality and facts and refuse to answer basic simple questions?

I think that's a low-blow. Not legit to use health issues against someone - very definition of an "ad hom" argument.
 

MrSquished

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I think that's a low-blow. Not legit to use health issues against someone - very definition of an "ad hom" argument.
It's ibuprofen. Not like I'm making fun of cancer pills or heart disease pill That would be really low.

Pretty much most of us take over the counter pain killers.

Don't be so woke
 
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MrSquished

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I absolutely do. Both were born on November 30th 9 years apart and one hour apart.
I'm genuinely happy for you. That's a wonderful story.

My ex when I was in my late twenties, got pregnant on the pill after we were together two years. We both made the decision for her to get an abortion.

And that was the right decision in our case. Options are what it's all about.
 
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Greenman

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If you are OK with raw onion shake (only water nothing else) during the day or with dinner, it has a tremendous effect on making the pain go away. But it is also tremendously hard to drink it. I did that when I sustained significant back injury and lost two inches in height. The pain was so bad that I couldn't even lift a bucket full of water. A few months later, I was back to normal.
You're a tougher man than I am. I couldn't get it down, forget about keeping it down.
 

MrSquished

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Once a man sticks his dick into a female, he's spinning the wheel...and if he deposits his "baby batter," he has agreed to be responsible for the potential outcome.
This is exactly it. It's this simple. And the phrase baby batter is just a bonus.

And the thing is men can usually get away with it if they want to by just skipping out especially if they're not married. And all the men talking shit about how hard men have it in this thread, all vote for a party that wants to force women to carry the pregnancy to term no matter what the situation. It's sickening. Straight white male fragility is wack.

The cognitive dissonance is just bonkers.
 
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Sunburn74

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I'm joining the conversation a bit late. I think ideologically the concept raised by the original post is consistent with US beliefs. Most americans support the original conclusions of Roe v Wade. Its a woman's body and she can do whatever she wants with that fetus. If a woman wants an abortion, a man cannot stop her even if its biologically his child. The decision is solely her. Most americans accept this. The OPs point is mostly an extension of that idea. The fetus is solely under her domain during pregnancy and it remains solely under her domain once it comes out. There's no technical reason, strong social argument, or biological reason why men, particularly unwilling men who are uninterested in the child, have to be involved that process.

Its a simple argument. Offensive a bit, but simple and I think hard to counter. Yes a man is involved in creating a child, but involvement in creating something doesn't mean you should bear 50% of the responsibility for life. In general that's how society operates right? I mean, if a bunch of artists get drunk and in their drunken state create a $50 million work of art, should the beer company get to claim some of the value in that art? If you solely teach a person to sing and they go on to become beyonce with the voice you created, do you get to inherit their wealth when they die?
 
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MrSquished

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I'm joining the conversation a bit late. I think ideologically the concept raised by the original post is consistent with US beliefs. Most americans support the original conclusions of Roe v Wade. Its a woman's body and she can do whatever she wants with that fetus. If a woman wants an abortion, a man cannot stop her even if its biologically his child. The decision is solely her. Most americans accept this. The OPs point is mostly an extension of that idea. The fetus is solely under her domain during pregnancy and it remains solely under her domain once it comes out. There's no technical reason, strong social argument, or biological reason why men, particularly unwilling men who are uninterested in the child, have to be involved that process.

Its a simple argument. Offensive a bit, but simple and I think hard to counter. Yes a man is involved in creating a child, but involvement in creating something doesn't mean you should bear 50% of the responsibility for life. In general that's how society operates right? I mean, if a bunch of artists get drunk and in their drunken state create a $50 million work of art, should the beer company get to claim some of the value in that art? If you solely teach a person to sing and they go on to become beyonce with the voice you created, do you get to inherit their wealth when they die?
It took you this long to chime in and you're comparing a women's body and a man both willingly completing an act that often ends up in creating life to a beer company and drunk artists?

Wow.

I mean I know how piggish men can be even though I know most who are great guys, but they are mostly Democrats. It's been very revealing to see people type out how misogynistic they are and how disgusting our society has been to women for so long. Not that long ago women could not get their own mortgages or even open up their own bank account. Only in 1974 was it made legal for women to get a mortgage, And that was mostly symbolic as it was still logistically very difficult. Not to mention all the other myriad of ways women were discriminated against.

I think many of these posters long for those days to come back. It certainly shows in how they make metaphors to pregnant women and men, and think men are the most discriminated against.
 
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DaaQ

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The discussion was on the father, and going through the few pages, nobody mentioned reproductive coercion/birth control sabotage, although mindless did say "entrap", which some laughed at. It's strange that there is sympathy for the women but not for the men.



Women can easily terminate the pregnancy and still have options if they refuse that. The financial burden doesn't necessarily hurt them in the same way as with men either e.g. getting put on the fast track for a Section 8 voucher.



lol A great example of white knighting. See above.



It's funny that one of the argument angles here has been that it should be an effort of pooling resources between the parents, but I guarantee they would be all for Democrats teaming up with Romney and Rubio to give partial basic income for people with kids.
I would quote mindless1 but he unsubscribed.

In my one reply, my wife's niece got divorced after around 12 years I'd say it was. I know that the kids are now 15, 12 and 6yr old. This fucking deadbeat got it in the divorce papers that the ignorant niece signed that he did not have to pay child support, but he would pay for all the things they need. HE HAS NOT DONE SO.
To top it off, she didn't have enough gas to meet him halfway which is a 45 minute drive, she asked him to come closer to pick up the kids for his "co parenting weekend" he refused.
This asshole then filed contempt of court charges on her, and then committed contempt himself by refusing to take the kids until after court. (We all know how fast that process is)
So during this contempt hearing he wound up getting his free ride terminated ordered to pay child support ect.

My wife and I were divorced for 8 years, I paid 312 dollars a week the whole time. actually more in the beginning because of arrearages. 371.75 per WEEK for 3 children.

We got back together in 04, got remarried, took quite the hassle to get the child support removed from my paychecks.
Anyway, she got pregnant again after that, out 3 kids were like middle school and freshman highschool. WE decided to abort.

The whack jobs trying to entrap are mental cases, or gold diggers trying to get knocked up by a famous person.

Since 2007 I have visited many many homes in my work field, never came across the mythical I am having babies for a free ride from the government.

Unlike The Duggars.
 

DaaQ

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I want to put one up that says "No vasectomy? No problem. Faces don't get pregnant."

I know someone who had a vasectomy, and wound up having 2 more children afterwards, DNA tests proved it.
Somehow, he had a third sperm duct, or whatever its called. That is what he told me anyway. And they are definitely his. seeing them grown up.

This is exactly it. It's this simple. And the phrase baby batter is just a bonus.

And the thing is men can usually get away with it if they want to by just skipping out especially if they're not married. And all the men talking shit about how hard men have it in this thread, all vote for a party that wants to force women to carry the pregnancy to term no matter what the situation. It's sickening. Straight white male fragility is wack.

The cognitive dissonance is just bonkers.
Once born they are shit out of luck though.
 
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LiluDallas

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I know someone who had a vasectomy, and wound up having 2 more children afterwards, DNA tests proved it.
Somehow, he had a third sperm duct, or whatever its called. That is what he told me anyway. And they are definitely his. seeing them grown up.


Once born they are shit out of luck though.
Maybe this is doctor's fault now?
 
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ch33zw1z

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The discussion was on the father, and going through the few pages, nobody mentioned reproductive coercion/birth control sabotage, although mindless did say "entrap", which some laughed at. It's strange that there is sympathy for the women but not for the men.

It's not strange at all. This is the environment misogynist's create. I found it interesting you left out the women's stats from the very same section of the report.

Again, I say consider the roles men and women play here, and why it would make those CDC stats interesting but not all that telling.

Women can easily terminate the pregnancy and still have options if they refuse that.

I'm not sure what you're even saying here. While it's true that there are some methods to eliminate pregnancy, there's an entire political party devoted to making that NOT possible. Ironically, the same people here that don't want to be responsible for their part in procreation are voting to eliminate these options.

The financial burden doesn't necessarily hurt them in the same way as with men either e.g. getting put on the fast track for a Section 8 voucher.

I've yet to meet a single person, man or woman, who thinks this way. Maybe some people do, but I haven't crossed their paths.

Ah yes, the illustrious Section 8 housing. I never had to live in a section 8, but definitely spent time there with friends. It's not exactly a goal for anyone. It's good it's an option, but again....not a single person has crossed my path that was like "I totes had this baby so I could live here".

If the financial burden will impact you that drastically, don't have unprotected sex. /case closed
 
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