I Think It's Silly When People Say "Columbus Did Not Discover America"

Gizmo j

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It's true that native Americans where there way before Columbus but he was the first "European" to discover America.

If Columbus did not come across America the George Washington and the other founders would have never came here, and the United States would never has existed.

Although it's also true that Columbus was a mass murderer and enslaver, he still is the reason the United States exist.

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It's true that native Americans where there way before Columbus but he was the first "European" to discover America.

If Columbus did not come across America the George Washington and the other founders would have never came here, and the United States would never has existed.

Although it's also true that Columbus was a mass murderer and enslaver, he still is the reason the United States exist.
cool story. Might want to grab a history book sometime though.
 

Jaskalas

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Columbus but he was the first "European" to discover America.

The vikings would like a word with you.
OTOH, none returned to tell the tale.

For Europe, and the world at large with whom we shared information... Columbus most certainly "discovered" America. This is absolutely true.
The issue they play at is trying to narrow down or redefine discover from practical to strictly literal.
 

HomerJS

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It's true that native Americans where there way before Columbus but he was the first "European" to discover America.

If Columbus did not come across America the George Washington and the other founders would have never came here, and the United States would never has existed.

Although it's also true that Columbus was a mass murderer and enslaver, he still is the reason the United States exist.

Native Americans were here but they weren’t people, right?
 

HomerJS

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I have a request for the OP. Read this article and then come back and tell us if you want to reconsider this thread. If you read it the reason will be self evident. I will explain if necessary.

 

Torn Mind

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In a general sense, anything can sit around undetected doing its thing, until it is "discovered".

Diseases operate by a mechanism even if we don't necessary know exactly what is going on.

Thus, a key component of discovery is "entering consciousness". There is also the matter of "first time". The thing is, people die....so their memories go with them. If a new generation comes to fruition, they will never know the day-to-day nuts and bolts of the old days....

J.S Bach fell out of public consciousness, leaving it only to a select individuals with the resources to have access to hold the scores (Baron von Sweiten). Then the community of musicians who make contact with said elect individuals can then hear, play, and learn from the music, such as Mozart. Thus, though Bach played for minds during his time, a new generation of minds like Mozart DID NOT really hear the and studied the music of J.S Bach until the early 1780s, even WITH contact with the sons of Bach.
The general public would not rediscover Bach until the work of Mendelssohn.

In actuality, Christopher Columbus has been irrelevant in Anglo society for hundreds of years....quite a few wars, revolutions, etc, made him a historical figure known only in books even mere decades after his time.

The argument of who first discovered the Americas ultimately boils down to semantics of what sense of "first time entering consciousness" is being used.

Columbus' landing and return was the trip in which the Americas did not wind up forgotten afterwards...so far...


Also, the simple-mindedness and quasi-religious fervor of the American masses to masturbate themselves mentally really is in full display, as evidenced by the ignorance of the lobbying process to even get a federal holiday. Columbus Day was a minority-lobbied holiday due to racism against the Italian-Americans; this is why even the likes of Cuomo will go to those parades, because that holiday is relevant to them...but no one else can relate. Last I checked, there were many Native American nations formed during the 1800s. If Americans really want to wind things back...they can lobby to start ceding land and gradually shrink until everyone is back to their old continents.
 

Pohemi

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Know what is silly? When people shitpost worthless threads and never return to it after their OP.

If he ever read responses on his shitty threads, he could educate himself by reading this:


 
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Aside from the fact that CC never set foot on any portion of what later became the US or even what some consider the American continents.

He landed on a small island east of the Caribbean.

And isn't there some concept that the Spanish had already been to SA? I'm a little fuzzy on the dates involved.

Then there's the whole bit about Asians trading with SA even further back.
 
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Captante

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He landed on a small island east of the Caribbean.

Yes he did.... and with both feet.

If you want to understand why many people want him stripped of "his holiday" read about how things went with Columbus and the poor native people who first encountered him/his crew in the Caribbean.
 
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kage69

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Ugh, history fail.

I'll never understand the praise for the guy when he never actually stepped foot in America. Seems like all the rape and murder should really underscore why a genocidal loser makes a poor hero, but ymmv I guess. And yeah, Vikings made it here first. They just didn't stick around on account of the weather and welcoming committee.

He doesn't deserve a holiday much less our respect, so find a better hero Italian Americans. America wasn't lost, and you still gave us Leonardo. Move on. There are more important things to worry about these days.
 
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brianmanahan

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Seems like all the rape and murder should really underscore why a genocidal loser makes a poor hero, but ymmv I guess.

mongolia's still a big fan of genghis khan, despite like %5-10 of the total world population dying because of his attacks
 
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